Self regulation? The industry is regulated by the government. There are things that are illegal (such as CP), and owners of that content can be arrested and convicted of the crime. The decision about the legality of that is made by our judicial system, as it is in every single industry in the country.

So what you are saying is that everyone should be allowed to "self-regulate" the industry? So I could padlock the doors of a restaurant down the street because I think they got me sick the other night? That form of "regulation" is just a window to abuse, blackmail, and fraud. The only one that should determine legality is our judicial system.

When it comes to CP, I'm all for our government convicting more webmasters of it when they do it. I hope they catch every one of them and throw away the key. But that's their job, not DirectNics. DirectNic is a company that provides a service, nothing more. If they choose not to do business with someone, they have every right to say so. They don't have a right to hold domains hostage because of a hunch.

Nobody is saying Directnic should police us, don't be obtuse.

Directnic apparently had a valid complaint in hand. Should they (a) do nothing, and hope someone else gives a shit, or (b) ask the domain holder for some information so that they can write the complaint off as false or justified and work from there?

Self regulation isn't about appointing anyone police, it is about each of us checking out links twice... not turning away and saying "someone else will handle it" when we see something wrong.

How fucking hard is it to understand?

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But what you are suggesting is that they should ask for the documents and if they aren't satisfied, kill the domain. I just don't see how you can say that DirectNic should play judge, jury, and executioner, yet not be considered policing the industry.

To me, the issue isn't about what Slick does with his sites. The issue is whether registrars can take your domains whenever they feel like it if they think you are doing something wrong. I believe that no registrar has any right to decide what is legal and what is not. If they believe his content is illegal, they should request he move it to another registrar, and contact the authorities who are the only ones that should be determining what is legal and not.

It's the principle of the issue, not the actual case. It's no different than supporting the KKK in a case because you stand behind freedom of speech. You may not approve of their message, but you approve of their right to say it. I hate CP, and even hate sites that pretend to be CP even more. But our police and judicial system should be handling those issues, not DirectNic.

And what makes you think that the DN cheerleaders can cope with 2 issues at the same time ?

Bravo this is the point a lot of people have been missing in the smokescreen of accusations of "CP". This is why this is an issue.

Sorry, but Stickyfingerz is , in this case ... , far from being " obtuse " ... In fact, he sees the whole picture, out of the box.

On the other hand ....



DISCLAIMER: This post shall not be considered as an endorsment of STICKYFINGERZ in any way or viewed as a partnership , and certainly not an approval of his politic views ... but if he is right here, well he is right. :2 cents:

D. Report what they believe to be illegal activity and have the domain OWNER transfer the domain away from them. :2 cents:

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We need TGF in here with his "jump to conclusions" pic. :)

Which would lead to (E) helping someone who potentially as illegal material to carry on his business, plus giving him plenty of time to cover his tracks...

That sounds so good. Next time I see a phishing scam going on, I won't contact the host to get it shut down, i will recommend that they ask the domain holder to move to another host. That will truly solve the problem. :Oh crap

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Just to conclusion?

Have you heard of the police, law enforcement, those guys that go around and arrest people for doing bad things? You act as if there are no laws out there and it's a free-for-all. If you suspect someone of doing something illegal, YOU REPORT IT TO THE POLICE and let them handle it. If my neighbor starts beating up his wife, I don't arrest him and throw him in my basement for 3 months as punishment, I call the fucking police.

But a host is different than a registrar. A host killing your account will not put you out of business. It is not stealing an asset you have without any legal proof. A host has much different legal liabilities than a registrar when it pertains to that stuff as well.

Nope... but internet time and law enforcement time are two different things... and honestly we don't know under what circumstances Directnic operated, so there you go. That Slick started this and within 24 hours sites he was linked to were dropping makes you wonder a little bit, no?

As for stealing an asset, prove theft. Sex.com was a lesson for everyone on the subject of domains.

Apples and oranges again.

So you would be ok with me padlocking the doors of the restaurant across the street because I think that their eggs gave me food poisoning? I mean the time it would take to call the city health officials, have them check out the place, test the stuff and so on is a long time. But me with a padlock is very fast.

Legal fund? From what I understand, the dude's pretty successful and there's no reason why he can't afford his own lawyer.

Are you STILL on this bullshit stuff? :winkwink:

Don't worry about times too much - time can be anything ya want, especially if it catches 200 fish as opposed to one.

Yet didn't have one at the time and has said he sees questionable material some of his links too. I'm = totally convinced this guy needs some SERIOUS legal advice before it's too late.

Maybe so, but why should anyone but him pay for it?

I agree with you whole heartedly.

Was that an understatement Peaches? :) Could not agree more and totally convinced that lad is not "aware" enough.

It's one of these troubling things I see about a high percentage of "adult webmasters" - they never suffered enough to get the significance of obscenity/legal issues - just bought a few computers and off they go :)

I've stated several times during this situation that more webmasters need to treat this as a business and not a hobby. Slick should have had an attorney when they first started especially dealing with TGPs and being as "successful" as he it.

Usually the reponses are "You're just DirectNic seed", lol.

Since I am familiar with the case, I'll point out that "Casey" was careful to keep his webcam business and his relationship separate, not allowing "Kyle" to be in any way exposed to or involved with his adult website until Kyle turned 18.

Also, Casey & Kyle's relationship was lawful in Massachusetts, as they were within 4 years of age of each other. FreeCasey.Com carries information and discussion related to Casey's case, as well as others whose prosecution was brought about by Justin Berry.

Steve