fucking paypal....HELP - GoFuckYourself.com

tytyguy · 01-02-2007, 03:41 PM

Ok so i sold a site to someone about 6 months ago. The site is www.banra.com - I sold it for $3.500 bucks. I go into my paypal account today and it says -$3500. I guess the dude did a chargeback or something. To be able to resolve it i need a reciept or some proof i sold it. I tried to whois the domain so it would show that he owns it but he put a privacy thing on it. WHY CAN I DO?!?! HELP!

JustinBackDoorCash · 01-02-2007, 03:49 PM

Well, If you happen to have a timemachine - you can go back in time and use a service like escrow.com - If not, sounds like you might be out of luck. Contact paypal, let them know of the situation and see what they suggest.

But honestly, you should have recieved some notification of a dispute. If you didnt respond, you almost certainly no longer have options.

tytyguy · 01-02-2007, 03:51 PM

i can respond. Im just trying to gather information to say that he bought it. I will never use paypal again, they suck balls. I dont have any documentation bc he bought it soooo long ago. I will find this guy and kill him. No joke, i kill people.

JustinBackDoorCash · 01-02-2007, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by tytyguy

I will find this guy and kill him. No joke, i kill people.

Wonderful. Im glad to see your resolving things in a positive way.

HighSociety · 01-02-2007, 03:56 PM

just make sure you do not have that money in your bank account so they can't take it back and close the account, you got your money and your paypal account is screwed for life,

sicone · 01-02-2007, 03:59 PM

No emails or contact logs about the purchase?

Best of luck with this man

tytyguy · 01-02-2007, 03:59 PM

i dont have any money. wont they still take it out?

stickyfingerz · 01-02-2007, 03:59 PM

Ive got one that is -5500.00 right now. I feel your pain. Go through the dispute thing, you might be able to pull up the whois history of the domain. See if the privacy was put on later, maybe it will show his name. Maybe contact the registra and see if they can provide you any documentation on it.

tytyguy · 01-02-2007, 04:01 PM

i whoised it and it private.... Is there a way to check from the nameservers?

stickyfingerz · 01-02-2007, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tytyguy

i dont have any money. wont they still take it out?

No they cannot withdraw money from your checking account without permission.

stickyfingerz · 01-02-2007, 04:03 PM

Costs a few bucks but try this

http://whois.domaintools.com/taboo.com

taboo.com is the company that fucked me and a bunch of others over.

scottybuzz · 01-02-2007, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tytyguy

Ok so i sold a site to someone about 6 months ago. The site is www.banra.com - I sold it for $3.500 bucks. I go into my paypal account today and it says -$3500. I guess the dude did a chargeback or something. To be able to resolve it i need a reciept or some proof i sold it. I tried to whois the domain so it would show that he owns it but he put a privacy thing on it. WHY CAN I DO?!?! HELP!

Paypal really hate adult

i think your fucked.

RawAlex · 01-02-2007, 04:07 PM

I always have to laugh when people do fairly major transactions with things like paypal or epass. They are both services good for SMALL amounts, not thousands of dollars at a shot.

Selling a domain for anything over a few hundred dollars, go through a service like escrow.com or similar, and have the buyer pay the fees (they aren't all that high). This gives you a ton more security.

As a side note, if they guy who bought the domain is in a worthwhile place, you can always sue him.

Good luck

tytyguy · 01-02-2007, 04:11 PM

the domain was bought and transfered through godaddy.com

Profits of Doom · 01-02-2007, 04:12 PM

Paypal can't take the money out of your bank account without your permission but if they end up closing your account with it in the negative they will send it to a collection agency and attempt to fuck up your credit. When I was selling regularly on ebay they limited my account twice to get more information from me due to the amount of money I was processing, even though I had an ebay account since '99 and over 1000 feedbacks with no negatives. I read an interesting article once about how Paypal limits accounts with money in them so they can profit off the interest while the account holder is complying with their endless requests for documenting paperwork...wish I could find it.

woj · 01-02-2007, 04:16 PM

you are out of luck man, you can try talking with the dispute department, but I doubt it will get you anywhere, I would just get a new paypal account and move on...

so who is the asshole that did this? does he post on here? what's his paypal email, icq, etc?

woj · 01-02-2007, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex

I always have to laugh when people do fairly major transactions with things like paypal or epass. They are both services good for SMALL amounts, not thousands of dollars at a shot.

Selling a domain for anything over a few hundred dollars, go through a service like escrow.com or similar, and have the buyer pay the fees (they aren't all that high). This gives you a ton more security.

As a side note, if they guy who bought the domain is in a worthwhile place, you can always sue him.

Good luck

yea, no kidding, anything over $1k is wire only, if buyer wants escrow that's his problem, and he/she pays the fees...

tytyguy · 01-02-2007, 04:21 PM

his name is David Sechovicz and his email is [email protected] - Well if they dont take the money out of my bank account im ok.

tytyguy · 01-02-2007, 04:23 PM

his name is David Sechovicz and his email is [email protected] - Well if they dont take the money out of my bank account im ok.

marcjacob · 01-02-2007, 04:32 PM

They can take the money sticky as you gave them permission when you added that account. You should be able to change you account number though. Most banks should do this.

Dirty F · 01-02-2007, 04:36 PM

If you wont get your money back i would do everything to fuck that guy over.

Hire a hacker and have him delete all sites he owns. Start a site with his name and mention what a scammer he is. Etc. i would make him suffer for way more than the few k he stole from me.

tytyguy · 01-02-2007, 04:48 PM

he actually lives within an hour or 2 from me. I think i will go beat his ass. seriously

kane · 01-02-2007, 04:51 PM

I would imagine you have some kind of emails or ICQ chats where you discussed this deal. If you do send them those. If it was done over the phone tell them so. also if it was transferred through godaddy there should be some sort of transfer history you can get to show them. If you already transferred the money to your bank account I guess the worst thing that could happen is that they close your paypal and send you to a collection agency. I would gather any and all info you have on the domain and its sale and forward all of that to paypals dispute team.

Good luck. I've never had to deal with this kind of thing so I'm not sure what you chances are.

Dirty F · 01-02-2007, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by tytyguy

he actually lives within an hour or 2 from me. I think i will go beat his ass. seriously

Dont beat him up right away. Collect some info on him. His family and whatever you can find. Give him a visit with 2 of your friends, the biggest you have and tell him you want your money within 2 days and if not talk about his mom or girlfriend or something like that. Works better than beating him up right away

spacedog · 01-02-2007, 04:59 PM

Here's the thing.

You have your money.

Paypal did not take anything from you.

If your bal shows as -3500, this means you had 0 in there. Correct?

Basically your paypal acct is fucked up for the time being & you need to correct it.. You're not missing the cash because it looks like you already took it out, had a 0 balance, then paypal gets a chargeback/cancel so now it is -3500

stickyfingerz · 01-02-2007, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kermey

They can take the money sticky as you gave them permission when you added that account. You should be able to change you account number though. Most banks should do this.

No they cant. They dont have your permission on a chargeback. When you make a purchase and it pulls the money out you are giving them permissions by initiating the charge. Trust me I went through it. My account is closed and they didnt take a dime from me. In fact I quized all the paypal people I talked to extensively to make sure. I never closed or changed my checking and I didnt lose a dime. I left it in collections for now, cause there is a soon to be pending suit.

If it was just me I wouldnt even bother, but the same people fucked over 4 or 5 people besides me, and we are all going to go in on it together.

stickyfingerz · 01-02-2007, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

I would imagine you have some kind of emails or ICQ chats where you discussed this deal. If you do send them those. If it was done over the phone tell them so. also if it was transferred through godaddy there should be some sort of transfer history you can get to show them. If you already transferred the money to your bank account I guess the worst thing that could happen is that they close your paypal and send you to a collection agency. I would gather any and all info you have on the domain and its sale and forward all of that to paypals dispute team.

Good luck. I've never had to deal with this kind of thing so I'm not sure what you chances are.

Ya doesnt work. I had full documentation of emails, and reciepts etc. Add to that the fact they did tons of chargebacks through paypal and it wasnt just me. Paypal just gives in.

u-Bob · 01-02-2007, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Franck

Dont beat him up right away. Collect some info on him. His family and whatever you can find. Give him a visit with 2 of your friends, the biggest you have and tell him you want your money within 2 days and if not talk about his mom or girlfriend or something like that. Works better than beating him up right away

looks like you've done this before

Twisted Dave · 01-02-2007, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tytyguy

Ok so i sold a site to someone about 6 months ago. The site is www.banra.com - I sold it for $3.500 bucks. I go into my paypal account today and it says -$3500. I guess the dude did a chargeback or something. To be able to resolve it i need a reciept or some proof i sold it. I tried to whois the domain so it would show that he owns it but he put a privacy thing on it. WHY CAN I DO?!?! HELP!

Tell PayPal to FUCK OFF ... I did ... I owe them money apparently ... they can sing in court for it ...

the dude that I dealt with had my work, AND my money. So he got off ... and PayPal made money on the interest for the cash they STOLE from me.

Fuck them. Open a new PayPal under a new bank account and use that one. I did.

gfx3 · 01-02-2007, 05:11 PM

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...?url=banra.com

Looks like Banra.com isn't worth 3500$ anymore.

JD · 01-02-2007, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

No they cannot withdraw money from your checking account without permission.

but they will send you to collections if you don't bring bacn your balance to 0.00... they did it to me...

StarkReality · 01-02-2007, 05:18 PM

The privacy doesn't protect him in any way, for 15$ a month you can track all owner changes of a domain (whois history): http://domain-history.domaintools.co...m&page=results

As far as I know, privacy isn't instant, even if it appears instantly, the domain is registered on the real/name adress first and then privacy is applied. The registrars make it look like it's one step, but it's two.

After Shock Media · 01-02-2007, 05:18 PM

Serious side question:

This is paypals problem how and what did they do that was wrong?

I see it as some asshole bought your stuff via paypal. You made the transaction just fine and recieved your money. Later on the ass hole reversed the charges (odds are via his credit card or bank). Asshole got his money back from paypal. I would not expect paypal to sit around and eat the loss.

Typically one would have transaction logs over any and all sales of any value. If not for such occassions like this, for tax reasons at least. Most people would keep such records for at least a year if not six years.

You should have proof that shows:
Original registration.
Renewals if any.
Optional ability to obtain letters from your host potentially.
Option to have used an escrow service.
Screen shots or proof of a domain push to such person.
ICQ, Email, MSN, AIM, Gtalk, or whatever messages back and forth.
Ability to legally get registrar to tell paypal who the owner of the domain currently is.
Any script or licenses on that domains change of ownership or transfer forms.
And so forth.

tytyguy · 01-02-2007, 05:20 PM

reember all this happened in august. How the fuck was i suppose to know to save all that shit.

JD · 01-02-2007, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tytyguy

reember all this happened in august. How the fuck was i suppose to know to save all that shit.

you should have saved it anyway.

INever · 01-02-2007, 05:28 PM

i keep about ten dollars in my paypal account. after reading about them, i always empty my account as soon as possible upon receiving funds.

kane · 01-02-2007, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tytyguy

he actually lives within an hour or 2 from me. I think i will go beat his ass. seriously

Hi actually living close to you can help. If Paypal won't reverse the charges or at least clear you of wrong doing and make your account okay you can always sue him. Paypal will come after you for the money. Since you have done nothing wrong take him to court. It will cost you some money to do this, but if it were me I would rather pay a little money to a lawyer to go after him than pay $3500 or more to paypal or a collection agency, nevermind what it will do to your credit.

tytyguy · 01-02-2007, 06:05 PM

well i had a debit card for it, not credit

After Shock Media · 01-02-2007, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane

Hi actually living close to you can help. If Paypal won't reverse the charges or at least clear you of wrong doing and make your account okay you can always sue him. Paypal will come after you for the money. Since you have done nothing wrong take him to court. It will cost you some money to do this, but if it were me I would rather pay a little money to a lawyer to go after him than pay $3500 or more to paypal or a collection agency, nevermind what it will do to your credit.

No lawyer needed, that is small claims numbers.

CaptainHowdy · 01-02-2007, 06:09 PM

FUCKER

!!

baddog · 01-02-2007, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by made2ordervideos

just make sure you do not have that money in your bank account so they can't take it back and close the account, you got your money and your paypal account is screwed for life,

They can't just go in and take it, or else they would have already done that to me.

I had a similar incident with Paypal . . . someone sent me some money, then paypal decided that the person that sent me money had gotten that money in an illicit manner, so suddenly, it was my problem.

You will ignore them, they will close your account, and hound you with telephone calls every day, 6 times a day for the next year . . . and counting. But they can't dip into your savings account.

Not really sure why.

01-02-2007, 03:41 PM	#1
tytyguy So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Anywhere u want Posts: 983	fucking paypal....HELP Ok so i sold a site to someone about 6 months ago. The site is www.banra.com - I sold it for $3.500 bucks. I go into my paypal account today and it says -$3500. I guess the dude did a chargeback or something. To be able to resolve it i need a reciept or some proof i sold it. I tried to whois the domain so it would show that he owns it but he put a privacy thing on it. WHY CAN I DO?!?! HELP!

01-02-2007, 03:49 PM	#2
JustinBackDoorCash Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 98	Well, If you happen to have a timemachine - you can go back in time and use a service like escrow.com - If not, sounds like you might be out of luck. Contact paypal, let them know of the situation and see what they suggest. But honestly, you should have recieved some notification of a dispute. If you didnt respond, you almost certainly no longer have options. __________________ ICQ: 105-650

01-02-2007, 03:56 PM	#5
HighSociety Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,786	just make sure you do not have that money in your bank account so they can't take it back and close the account, you got your money and your paypal account is screwed for life, __________________ http://www.highsociety.com http://www.playgirl.com http://www.cheri.com Jonathan "JC" Maldini ICQ: 223 643

01-02-2007, 03:59 PM	#6
sicone Retired Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Sac Posts: 18,453	No emails or contact logs about the purchase? Best of luck with this man __________________

01-02-2007, 04:12 PM	#15
Profits of Doom Monster Rain Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mongo Posts: 4,978	Paypal can't take the money out of your bank account without your permission but if they end up closing your account with it in the negative they will send it to a collection agency and attempt to fuck up your credit. When I was selling regularly on ebay they limited my account twice to get more information from me due to the amount of money I was processing, even though I had an ebay account since '99 and over 1000 feedbacks with no negatives. I read an interesting article once about how Paypal limits accounts with money in them so they can profit off the interest while the account holder is complying with their endless requests for documenting paperwork...wish I could find it. __________________ “My Free Cams Affiliate Program by CrakRevenue”

01-02-2007, 03:51 PM	#3
tytyguy So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Anywhere u want Posts: 983	i can respond. Im just trying to gather information to say that he bought it. I will never use paypal again, they suck balls. I dont have any documentation bc he bought it soooo long ago. I will find this guy and kill him. No joke, i kill people.

01-02-2007, 03:59 PM	#8
stickyfingerz Doin fine Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 24,984	Ive got one that is -5500.00 right now. I feel your pain. Go through the dispute thing, you might be able to pull up the whois history of the domain. See if the privacy was put on later, maybe it will show his name. Maybe contact the registra and see if they can provide you any documentation on it.

01-02-2007, 04:01 PM	#9
tytyguy So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Anywhere u want Posts: 983	i whoised it and it private.... Is there a way to check from the nameservers?

01-02-2007, 04:03 PM	#11
stickyfingerz Doin fine Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 24,984	Costs a few bucks but try this http://whois.domaintools.com/taboo.com taboo.com is the company that fucked me and a bunch of others over.

01-02-2007, 04:07 PM	#13
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	I always have to laugh when people do fairly major transactions with things like paypal or epass. They are both services good for SMALL amounts, not thousands of dollars at a shot. Selling a domain for anything over a few hundred dollars, go through a service like escrow.com or similar, and have the buyer pay the fees (they aren't all that high). This gives you a ton more security. As a side note, if they guy who bought the domain is in a worthwhile place, you can always sue him. Good luck

01-02-2007, 04:11 PM	#14
tytyguy So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Anywhere u want Posts: 983	the domain was bought and transfered through godaddy.com

01-02-2007, 04:16 PM	#16
woj <&(©¿©)&> Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 47,882	you are out of luck man, you can try talking with the dispute department, but I doubt it will get you anywhere, I would just get a new paypal account and move on... so who is the asshole that did this? does he post on here? what's his paypal email, icq, etc? __________________ Custom Software Development, email: woj#at#wojfun#.#com to discuss details or skype: wojl2000 or gchat: wojfun or telegram: wojl2000 Affiliate program tools: Hosted Galleries Manager Banner Manager Video Manager Wordpress Affiliate Plugin Pic/Movie of the Day Fansign Generator Zip Manager

01-02-2007, 04:21 PM	#18
tytyguy So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Anywhere u want Posts: 983	his name is David Sechovicz and his email is [email protected] - Well if they dont take the money out of my bank account im ok.

01-02-2007, 04:23 PM	#19
tytyguy So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Anywhere u want Posts: 983	his name is David Sechovicz and his email is [email protected] - Well if they dont take the money out of my bank account im ok.

01-02-2007, 04:32 PM	#20
marcjacob Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: England Posts: 1,063	They can take the money sticky as you gave them permission when you added that account. You should be able to change you account number though. Most banks should do this. __________________ Free Site Express GFY Launch Offer Gay Demo Video - Straight Demo Video Icq: 191127710 Email: [email protected]

01-02-2007, 04:36 PM	#21
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	If you wont get your money back i would do everything to fuck that guy over. Hire a hacker and have him delete all sites he owns. Start a site with his name and mention what a scammer he is. Etc. i would make him suffer for way more than the few k he stole from me.

01-02-2007, 04:48 PM	#22
tytyguy So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Anywhere u want Posts: 983	he actually lives within an hour or 2 from me. I think i will go beat his ass. seriously

01-02-2007, 04:51 PM	#23
kane Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: portland, OR Posts: 20,684	I would imagine you have some kind of emails or ICQ chats where you discussed this deal. If you do send them those. If it was done over the phone tell them so. also if it was transferred through godaddy there should be some sort of transfer history you can get to show them. If you already transferred the money to your bank account I guess the worst thing that could happen is that they close your paypal and send you to a collection agency. I would gather any and all info you have on the domain and its sale and forward all of that to paypals dispute team. Good luck. I've never had to deal with this kind of thing so I'm not sure what you chances are.

01-02-2007, 04:59 PM	#25
spacedog Yes that IS me. Bitch. Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 14,149	Here's the thing. You have your money. Paypal did not take anything from you. If your bal shows as -3500, this means you had 0 in there. Correct? Basically your paypal acct is fucked up for the time being & you need to correct it.. You're not missing the cash because it looks like you already took it out, had a 0 balance, then paypal gets a chargeback/cancel so now it is -3500

01-02-2007, 05:11 PM	#30
gfx3 Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,685	http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...?url=banra.com Looks like Banra.com isn't worth 3500$ anymore. __________________

01-02-2007, 05:18 PM	#32
StarkReality Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: 4 8 15 16 23 42 Posts: 4,444	The privacy doesn't protect him in any way, for 15$ a month you can track all owner changes of a domain (whois history): http://domain-history.domaintools.co...m&page=results As far as I know, privacy isn't instant, even if it appears instantly, the domain is registered on the real/name adress first and then privacy is applied. The registrars make it look like it's one step, but it's two.

01-02-2007, 05:18 PM	#33
After Shock Media It's coming look busy Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn". Posts: 35,299	Serious side question: This is paypals problem how and what did they do that was wrong? I see it as some asshole bought your stuff via paypal. You made the transaction just fine and recieved your money. Later on the ass hole reversed the charges (odds are via his credit card or bank). Asshole got his money back from paypal. I would not expect paypal to sit around and eat the loss. Typically one would have transaction logs over any and all sales of any value. If not for such occassions like this, for tax reasons at least. Most people would keep such records for at least a year if not six years. You should have proof that shows: Original registration. Renewals if any. Optional ability to obtain letters from your host potentially. Option to have used an escrow service. Screen shots or proof of a domain push to such person. ICQ, Email, MSN, AIM, Gtalk, or whatever messages back and forth. Ability to legally get registrar to tell paypal who the owner of the domain currently is. Any script or licenses on that domains change of ownership or transfer forms. And so forth. __________________ [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

01-02-2007, 05:20 PM	#34
tytyguy So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Anywhere u want Posts: 983	reember all this happened in august. How the fuck was i suppose to know to save all that shit.

01-02-2007, 05:28 PM	#36
INever Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: .......in a niche, in orbit...... Posts: 3,624	why i keep about ten dollars in my paypal account. after reading about them, i always empty my account as soon as possible upon receiving funds. __________________ I love Camdough

01-02-2007, 06:05 PM	#38
tytyguy So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Anywhere u want Posts: 983	well i had a debit card for it, not credit

01-02-2007, 06:09 PM	#40
CaptainHowdy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Happy in the dark. Posts: 93,582	FUCKER !! __________________ Sig Coming Soon