AS a host, I am now asking for Model ID of content...

[directfiesta]

Lawyer CdSmith suggested that...

I am sure you guys will all comply...

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...&postcount=178

From CdSmith:

And as a host you SHOULD ask for proof of age of a model if you are hosting the images on your servers and the content looks questionable. If you don't you run the risk of A) Being put through the wringer yourself for hosting it should it ever be proven by the authorities to be in violation, and B) you open yourself to further being called an idiot among the adult community.

[CDSmith]

Um, you think you'd be the first hosting provider to ask for proof of age for a model displayed in a client's web content?

Ohh such a fool are you. Await your ownage. :D

[porn blogger]

dumb*ss

would you like to buy a vowel?

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Um, you think you'd be the first hosting provider to ask for proof of age for a model displayed in a client's web content?

Ohh such a fool are you. Await your ownage. :D

Legally he can NOT ask for that.

[porn blogger]

you CAN ask to see our penises, however.

[Nookster]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Legally he can NOT ask for that.

If only everyone would be able to read through the laws and realize this.

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Legally he can NOT ask for that.

Pure bullshit.

Anyone providing a service where the client/patron/model etc is required to be 18 yrs or older can ask for proof of age to be shown. We're not talking addresses and complete documentations, just proof of age.

Or what, you guys running hosts think you can host questionable content, ignore it like it's not your problem, and just fly by when the shit hits the fan?

Oh my.

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by Nookster

If only everyone would be able to read through the laws and realize this.

If only more among us would get their heads out of their asses.

[Nookster]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Pure bullshit.

Anyone providing a service where the client/patron/model etc is required to be 18 yrs or older can ask for proof of age to be shown. We're not talking addresses and complete documentations, just proof of age.

Or what, you guys running hosts think you can host questionable content, ignore it like it's not your problem, and just fly by when the shit hits the fan?

Oh my.

So if you had your way you would take the law into your own hands and go to prison, basically is what you're saying. Read the laws sometime.

[porn blogger]

Originally Posted by Nookster

So if you had your way you would take the law into your own hands and go to prison, basically is what you're saying. Read the laws sometime.

Not only that, but would take a HUGE hit because nobody is going to waste their time and money on a host that requires to submit all sorts of age verification CRAP. Let him learn his lesson when he evaluates his customer retention next month

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by Nookster

So if you had your way you would take the law into your own hands and go to prison, basically is what you're saying. Read the laws sometime.

So, a bouncer at a bar asks a girl who looks young to show her ID to him.. he's what, violating the law?

Let me put it another way there chief... Let's say I own the host that you host your sites with. I get a complaint about a few images on your site, what would you have me do hoss? Ignore the problem and pray it goes away? NO, most hosts I know would ask you to kindly provide proof of age for those particular images. You can choose to show the proof of age, or take your sites and go host them somewhere else, it's that simple.

Why don't you try asking some who actually run hosts who don't have thier heads up their asses? Give Lightning a shout on ICQ and ask him if he's ever called a client's content into question, k? Then come back and continue with your foolishness. :D

[directfiesta]

UPDATE !!!!!


Level3 and Teleglobe ( from whom I get bandwith ) want also to get those id's...

So please make them in 3 copies please.

Thanks

[CDSmith]

I see some of you would rather the host (or the registrar, as the case may be) just report your ass to the FBI and the US gov't every time there is a question about your content.

Interesting.

Sorry I can't agree, as I'd rather deal with a guy like Mike AI than have government agents all over my business, probing and keeping an open file on me etc.

But good luck with all that. :D

[Nookster]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

So, a bouncer at a bar asks a girl who looks young to show her ID to him.. he's what, violating the law?

Let me put it another way there chief... Let's say I own the host that you host your sites with. I get a complaint about a few images on your site, what would you have me do hoss? Ignore the problem and pray it goes away? NO, most hosts I know would ask you to kindly provide proof of age for those particular images. You can choose to show the proof of age, or take your sites and go host them somewhere else, it's that simple.

Why don't you try asking some who actually run hosts who don't have thier heads up their asses? Give Lightning a shout on ICQ and ask him if he's ever called a client's content into question, k? Then come back and continue with your foolishness. :D

You're a complete idiot...not only did you completely miss the part where they were asking to see the 2257 (NOT AGE VERIFICATION) documents but you haven't even read the laws yourself. So sad.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

So, a bouncer at a bar asks a girl who looks young to show her ID to him.. he's what, violating the law?

It is an ACTUAL law.... In Quebec, the SAQ regulates this. A bar has not only the authority, but the obligation to make sure that no minor are in his premises... If he fails to enforce that law, he vcan loose his license to sell alchool ..... Same in Ontario .. and in many states of the USA....

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

It is an ACTUAL law.... In Quebec, the SAQ regulates this. A bar has not only the authority, but the obligation to make sure that no minor are in his premises... If he fails to enforce that law, he vcan loose his license to sell alchool ..... Same in Ontario .. and in many states of the USA....

Which proves my point exactly. As a host it is also your obligation to see that no underage or otherwise illegal content is hosted on your servers.

Or did you not know this?

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by Nookster

You're a complete idiot...not only did you completely miss the part where they were asking to see the 2257 (NOT AGE VERIFICATION) documents but you haven't even read the laws yourself. So sad.

Well let's take another look at the threads then....

Slick himself says:

Originally Posted by Slick

Well, my attorney got an email reply from DirectNic. They want me to confirm the models ages of the first 14 thumbs on Major Pervert. If I can do that, they say they'll let this go.

No sign of any "2257" talk there.

What about Mike AI's post.... http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=686403

Nope, not a mention of anything 2257-ish at all.


Okay, whose the idiot again? :D

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Which proves my point exactly. As a host it is also your obligation to see that no underage or otherwise illegal content is hosted on your servers.

Or did you not know this?

OK, now it IS underage or illegal content...

Before, it was questionable content ....

Are those the same to you ?

In answer to your , I know way more than you... that is what age, intelligence and experience gives a person ... in time, you will see.

My position , as a host:

As a host, if I would receive a complaint, i would expect it to be very precise, with the actual location of the offensive items.

If it is clearly CP ( or beastiality, necrophilia, violent degradation or Hate propaganda as per the Canadian Criminal code ), I would take a screen capture of the items, contact the person responsable for that site ( keep in mind that it could be a forum where people upload opics ) and ask a serious explanation and removal of the offensive items.
In the event that the situation would repeat itself, I would repeat the same steps, but notify the authorities.

If authorities contacted us for such a problem, they would have to serve us with court documents so that we can shutdow the site. They can get such documents within a few hours.

If they asked us ( with proper legal pa[pers ) to let it run, to investigate further or widen the scope, we would collaborate, respecting the law....

[directfiesta]

AUP:

http://www.pdghosting.com/adult/content/view/12/30/

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

OK, now it IS underage or illegal content...

Before, it was questionable content ....

Are those the same to you ?

Again you get it all completely wrong. You are, if anything, reliable in your own inimitable way. :D


Yes, it is your responsibility as a host to make sure there is no illegal content on your service. And here's the part you missed....

That means that you as the hosting provider must sometimes "investigate" questionable content. Hello?

I didn't type it all out the first time because I thought it was obvious, but I forgot I'm talking to a halfwit who thinks he knows more than everyone else.


Anything else?

[Nookster]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Well let's take another look at the threads then....

Slick himself says:
No sign of any "2257" talk there.

What about Mike AI's post.... http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=686403

Nope, not a mention of anything 2257-ish at all.


Okay, whose the idiot again? :D

I'll say this one more time...READ THE LAWS SOMETIME

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

My position , as a host:

As a host, if I would receive a complaint, i would expect it to be very precise, with the actual location of the offensive items.

If it is clearly CP ( or beastiality, necrophilia, violent degradation or Hate propaganda as per the Canadian Criminal code ), I would take a screen capture of the items, contact the person responsable for that site ( keep in mind that it could be a forum where people upload opics ) and ask a serious explanation and removal of the offensive items.
In the event that the situation would repeat itself, I would repeat the same steps, but notify the authorities.

If authorities contacted us for such a problem, they would have to serve us with court documents so that we can shutdow the site. They can get such documents within a few hours.

If they asked us ( with proper legal pa[pers ) to let it run, to investigate further or widen the scope, we would collaborate, respecting the law....

Further proof of my point exactly.

Tell me skipper, how do you go about determining with any certaintly "if it is CP" huh?

What's that? You... you ASK to see the proof of age of the model? Well I'll BE.. why'dn't I think of that???!

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by Nookster

I'll say this one more time...READ THE LAWS SOMETIME

Maybe you should read them again. Nowhere in there does it say an adult industry service provider can't ask to see proof of age or withhold their service.

[CDSmith]

Bubbye now guys.

It's been fun banter, but must get to a few things tonight that actually matter.

Like taking my dog out for his nightly poop.

Enjoy your fantasy. :D

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Again you get it all completely wrong. You are, if anything, reliable in your own inimitable way. :D


Yes, it is your responsibility as a host to make sure there is no illegal content on your service. And here's the part you missed....

That means that you as the hosting provider must sometimes "investigate" questionable content. Hello?

I didn't type it all out the first time because I thought it was obvious, but I forgot I'm talking to a halfwit who thinks he knows more than everyone else.


Anything else?

SPIN.... as usual.

[porn blogger]

like i said before.. its his company, let him feel the loss.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Maybe you should read them again. Nowhere in there does it say an adult industry service provider can't ask to see proof of age or withhold their service.

Nowhere it says I cannot ask to fuck your wife either ....

Go walk the dog .... and pick up the poop.

[lifestylest]

Okay not to sound stupid here or anything? What I am seeing is a host asking for proof of age not personal information such as addresses and such. My questions are simple do not both go hand in hand? In order to provide age verification does not one also have to supply personal information as well? I am sure from what I understand about the legally information within the 2257 that we must supply this to government authorities and to affiliate who use this content or business related entities who deal in our median as sale oriented procurrers

Here is some information for those with girls that look younger:

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=512906

Sites whose models/actors merely *look* like minors but are actually
adults must comply with USC 18 § 2257, which requires producers of
such sites to verify that their models/actors are over the age of 18,
and requires these producers to keep records of the performers name,
address, age, and every name, nickname or stage alias ever used.
Additionally, they must prominently display a disclaimer on the site
attesting to the fact that the performers are all legally adults.

I do not see any where in my research about this thread where a host also can demand this information given the fact they are not an affiliate or a legal entity onto themselves, nor are they directly selling the content, and as a result are without liability in accountability.

What I would suggest to the hosting company is they make it policy for webmasters to use an above like disclaimer if the type of content projects something like the above issue. Personally I am all for freedom of speech and expression and honestly I think this subject is hog wash and personally if the hosting company has a problem with adult orient sites. Simple stop allowing them in all honesty I think this is another big brother issue of trying to control ones own domain - therefore we as webmaster can keep it simple and boycott the host!

Also let the host company use this type of disclaimer also making themselves not liable if there are so in fear of there business. Person I am going to say here stop the bulling and bullshit and get on with business? Sorry if I offend anyone I do apologize if I have ? I am honestly not meaning to just stating an opinion.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by porn blogger

like i said before.. its his company, let him feel the loss.

My god, are you believing this.... are you for real ??????

Click the link ... it is sarcasm .... a joke on CdSmith, the self taught lawyer....

Read what CdSmith posts, he is the one claiming that hosts should ask for documents on all QUESTIONNABLE content ....

Host have AUP & TOS... They are posted on the site....

[CDSmith]

Here's a snippet from the Techimedia AUP:

Illegal Use:
Techie Hosting Inc. servers may be used only for lawful purposes. Transmission, distribution or storage
of any material in violation of any applicable law or regulation is prohibited. This includes, without limitation, child pornography, material protected by copyright, trademark, trade secret or other intellectual property right used without proper authorization, and material that is obscene, defamatory, constitutes an illegal threat, or violates export control laws. We will be the sole arbiters as to what constitutes a violation of this provision.

Obviously one host agrees with me. If you guys think they in their capacity as "sole arbiters" would hesitate to request to see proof of age when finding what looks like questionable content on their servers you are grossly fooling yourselves.

It's what professionals do. They look out for their best interests. You stay in business a lot longer that way, trust me.

[Nookster]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Maybe you should read them again. Nowhere in there does it say an adult industry service provider can't ask to see proof of age or withhold their service.

But it does state that the only entity given the rights to obtain them is "the Office of the United States Attorney General, or his designated representative, or as otherwise required by a governmental authority of competent jurisdiction pursuant to valid process."

By requesting them yourself you are:
(1): violating privacy, and
(2): impersonating a government official (as they are the only ones with the rights to request the documents).

Enjoy!

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by Nookster

But it does state that the only entity given the rights to obtain them is "the Office of the United States Attorney General, or his designated representative, or as otherwise required by a governmental authority of competent jurisdiction pursuant to valid process."

By requesting them yourself you are:
(1): violating privacy, and
(2): impersonating a government official (as they are the only ones with the rights to request the documents).

Enjoy!

No, you are talking about 2257 documents. Again, as far as I can tell no one in today's example are asking for that, only proof of age, which is perfectly legal to do so, both by nightclubs and by adult industry service producers and providers. My above quote from the Techiemedia AUP also supports this.

And believe me, I am enjoying this.

[Nookster]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

No, you are talking about 2257 documents. Again, as far as I can tell no one in today's example are asking for that, only proof of age, which is perfectly legal to do so, both by nightclubs and by adult industry service producers and providers. My above quote from the Techiemedia AUP also supports this.

And believe me, I am enjoying this.

Educate yourself...you're making pussycash look extremely bad. Nice job.

[lifestylest]

questionable content <---- The key to all this is questionable content? I agree some material can be subjected to this. However, If this is a person using affiliate content then...it would be the responsibility of the affiliate company and the person using it to provide the important information. They could also forward you to the person who has such documentation as well. Such as name sake web site.

Yes! everyone has to protect ones business entity. Agreed! So the resolution can be easily resolved by documentation.... which is assured! However! You are quoting a different hosting company...what does your policy out line and regulation within you our network state. We are not looking at another hosting company agreement with you.

I thought we were speaking about one issue and this is this one on this thread. Personally what matter to me with policy and regualtion of my hosting company... not anothers view.. Each business and company has it our terms. What are your policies on this subject... are there written down anywhere?

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by Nookster

Educate yourself...you're making pussycash look extremely bad. Nice job.

You my friend are the one who doesn't seem to know how to distinguish between proof of age and full 2257 documentation.



And what does PussyCash have to do with this?

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Nookster

You're a complete idiot...not only did you completely miss the part where they were asking to see the 2257 (NOT AGE VERIFICATION) documents but you haven't even read the laws yourself. So sad.

No, you're the idiot. They asked for ids but never mentioned 2257. Here is the original email text that slick posted:

The legal department has been requested to review your domain site for possible illegal content. We require a current state issued photo id or passport for the models represented on the followings site that clearly shows their face and their date of birth. We request that this information be submitted to our offices by 4:00pm central time, Monday, December 18, 2006, or we will be forced to close this site down and report it to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children

No 2257 mentioned there.

The idea that somehow it is illegal to ask proof of age (a least in the US) is illegal is ludicrous. They require proof of age for alcohol, cigarettes, casinos, adult book stores, all sorts of shit. Any private business can ask for proof of age if they so choose for any reason they choose. If you don't want to show it, then you don't get in (or get the product, whatever)


.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

And what does PussyCash have to do with this?

You carry their banner in their sig, so you must be a pussycash bigwig, right ???

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by sarettah

You carry their banner in their sig, so you must be a pussycash bigwig, right ???

I own the world. Since PussyCash is out of this world... I don't own it. (yet) :D