Hear hear.

Ghey

Well, I think, whats wrong is the fact that they have no right
to ask for such documentation ?

No drama at all, I had real questions and you gave real answers, thank you.... :thumbsup

So, I guess Slick would be better off if DN had just shut down the sites when they received (as I believe you will find they did) a complaint. Their TOS allows them to (as does almost all registrars). That way Slick would be out of pocket on lost income while it is sorted out.

Instead Directnic is trying to ascertain the validity of a complaint before it takes negative action.


From Moniker:

29. AGREEMENT TO BE BOUND
......You acknowledge and agree that Registrar may terminate or block Your use of all or part of the Service without prior notice for any reason...

From GoDaddy:

Go Daddy reserves the right to terminate Services if Your usage of the Services results in, or is the subject of, legal action or threatened legal action, against Go Daddy or any of its affiliates or partners, without consideration for whether such legal action or threatened legal action is eventually determined to be with or without merit.

Nah, Mike's an asshole :))))))

for all any of you fucking morons know... some girls mom contacted them saying "hey, those are pics of my girl when she was 12", confirmed her identity as well as that of her daughters... they reviewed it and were shocked as hell at what they saw and gave the guy a chance before bringing the full force of the law down on him.

did any of you geniuses consider the fact that they have in-house attorneys making these decisions and it was most likely something done after careful review and consideration of the facts AND the law? do you think it was a decision made on a whim? you think it was "just because"?

anyone has a link? seen the pics in question? know any details?

oh... hahaha.. no.....didn't think so. .... why would a bunch of retards who spend their days arguing about Jews, Arabs and Bush and create such great threads like "what are you listening to right now" and "who was the best guitarist ever" and "whats the best way to sell my sig" need facts and information or the whole story? facts tend to get in the way of drama and sig views.

so yeah, some fucking turd poking clown, turned do-gooder/attention whore wants to boycott them, with no details, no real information, no understanding of the situation... just his interpretation of what might be happening based on a very limited amount of information where he starts assuming and then starts acting on assumptions and hasn't even heard an explanation from the people he is trying to hurt financially.

what a fucking idiot. proof once again that this biz is doomed because of the idiots that are in it... not because of "obscenity"

Darksoul is a jackass, but he's spot on right here.

Error. From most court rulings, domain names are just about on the same levels as phone numbers. You never "own" then in an outright sense, you are just paying a yearly fee for the right to use them as your contact point. ICANN "owns" the .com domains... the rest is pure fiction.

The only thing he owns is the current rights the domains, subject to the terms of the contract he entered into to get them.

Amusing thread in a tragic way. All the uninformed idiots jumping in with their anti-Directnic rhetoric would be the same uninformed idiots shouting at Directnic for allowing reported CP on a domain if they took no action (and of course the CP actually existed. Like 99.9% of the posters in this thread I DO NOT know the full details so can't comment on this particular case).

As they say opinions are like assholes - everyone has them. Sadly far too many love to make fools of themselves by offering them with no true grasp of the details of a situation.

official response from directnic
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=686403

Please, turn off the yellow text and take a deep breath. They asked to see an ID with picture and birthdate. No model information beyond that. This is similar to documents that many content companies have been trying to pass off as model IDs for companies doing their own 2257.

You honestly think it would be better to bring in the FBI rather than that to find a resolution that doesn't involve the feds breaking down doors and locking people up (because that would be what would happen, I can assure you... they would love nothing better than a reason to "take down" a porn webmaster in a very public way).

Again, until there is more known about the complaint or the issue at hand, this is all pretty much fanning of the flames. A deep breath and a cig break (for those who smoke) is certainly in order here.

i keep 2257 info on file for several large affiliate programs as both a primary and secondary producer and have worked with my brother for many years in the content production field. as such i have taken the time to be somewhat informed on the laws in this area.

it is our DUTY as responsable webmasters to protect the privacy of the models. it has a great financial impact on everyone concerned to allow personal information to leak into the wrong hands.

Peaches, it seems as tho you think that BA "jumped the gun" on this but i dont believe thats the case. the fact that directnic believes they have the right to request such information is a big problem.

how many webmasters have they contacted for 2257 who did not come to this board but rather turned over personal information about a model. even if the information on 1 model was turned over to some employee of directnic in my opinion its 1 too many.

No, but what you are suggesting is that nobody should prove model ages or rights to anyone except the FBI (actually, the AG or his appointed reps).

Touches the issue of DMCA... if they were hit and a DMCA complaint, how would you prove rights to the image? Maybe, I dunno... a contract and a model release? Perhaps a contract and the model ID with just the image and the birth date showing?

You are off on a hell of a merry rampage here, but I think you need to slow down and think about how something like this would be handled in general.

I would rather the registrar or the host asks questions rather than just picking up the red phone and calling the feds. It would be nice to think that our industry can somehow manage to control itself for once.

They didn't ask for personal information - just an ID card with just the image and the birth date visible. No personally identity issue. Go back and read the original post.

I checked out his network and indeed theres some iffy content.

Thanks to people like you we have this problem. We are fighting a beast that we will never win against. If it wasnt for this shit we wouldnt have to defend our right to free speech on a daily basis.

So am I and so are you!

100 crusading turd burglers

"boyalley supports free speech" or "boyalley supports CP"?

You decide!

Sig market is slow.

It is sad to see a good idea used wrongly.

Now that DirectNic has put their 2 cents in, after this thread, I can see both sides of the issue.

If the webmaster in question won't provide the data that is requested by DirectNic, DirecNic should bounce them off their network asap, and keep records of the complaint, and the request by DirectNic for age verification of models.

My 2 cents, and frankly, the easiest way to get rid of this "Big Dick" contest.

well in my humble opinion, this isnt a case to support. Not gonna start shit here, just giving my two cents cause i feel this only digs the grave even deeper for this industry.

This isnt a case to support, theres honest breeches of free speech to be defended

You are 100%right. But it amazes me that you can start organizing international boycotts against companies based on nothing more than assumptions and very few facts and yet when someone starts something about you you start threatening that person.

dialogue?

pardon me for my superb reading comprehension skills... but the title of the thread and opening remark, is you threatening to hurt DirectNIC financially. thats not "dialogue"... thats a crusader being a crusader. furthermore, you make threats to hurt someone without hearing their side of the story or without gathering facts. thats just idiocy.

if you wanted discussion, you would have posed a question and discussed the viewpoints. i can't imagine whats going on in the deluded mind that equates threats to "discussion"

I think hes referring to the title of this thread...
" I Will Organize A Boycott Of DirectNic If They Don't..."

Reads like a threat to me.

Only problem is, you have misunderstood entirely what "Directnic did".

Asking for model IDs with no personal information doesn't violate privacy laws.

Take a deep breath and relax. You will feel much better in a minute.

Well MikeAI said he would look into it way before you started this thread. All you did was hurting their company image and if I were them I would have those company employed attorneys looking into this thread....

DirectNic is a company full of Lawyers, I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of Sic em Sig.

:glugglug

No, and if MikeAI didn't want to do business with him that would be understandable as well. However, threatening to keep his domains when they have no legal standpoint to do so, and KNOW they don't, is something else entirely. They're not a host. They're a registrar. They can say 'provide these docs or choose another registrar.' They CAN'T say 'provide these docs or we're keeping your domains.' That's something else entirely. How would you like to see YOUR domains generating money for someone else on parked.com because you didn't want to fuck around putting together paperwork for your registrar?

Want a registrar who's going to make you submit docs or ELSE? Go with directnic. Want a registrar who's going to stfu and do their job? Go somewhere else.

Strange how the free speech warrior calls to have every single surfer complaint forwarded to the feds. That will help free speech! Lets give em some nice figures I can see it right in front of me on cnn "fbi received 9223495 reports of child abuse on internet porn sites in the first quarter of 2007". That will make the free speech cause so much easier to defend.

1) wanting to hurt someones business is not "stating an opinion". "opinion has nothing to do with the complex legal issues involved and potential ramifications for decisions either way.

you should be asking "why don't people support me and the way i am going about this"

2) "free speech" doesn't mean you are free to threaten and make remarks and comments designed to hurt someones business. you apparently (like almost any idiot here) have no idea what "free speech" is. your legal rights to speak out against a government doesn't give you the legal right to calll me a pedophile.

3) the appropriate way to go about it would have been to ask questions... to understand and to make thoughtful decisions from a point of complete understanding... not suggest you want to hurt someones business if they don't comply with your demands.

another example of your misguided behavior is the Adult Friend Finder thing where they were caught red handed stealing from affiliates... you weighed in with zero understanding of the discussion and the issues.

maybe your behavior and the way you go about this things is the reason people don't support you? i don't think it has anything to do with some wide opposition to "free speech"