You're calling 8 or 10 whole states that included a large percentage of the U.S. population back then small?

I won't quibble over usage of the word "small". I suppose one of my points could be that our slave issue compared to your slave issue is insignificant at best. The U.S. suffers it's legacy of slavery to this day with racial issues and hatred. Canada's slavery issue was resolved nearly 100 years before yours was, and today we pretty much have no racial issues where blacks are concerned. Canadians are very much mostly non-prejudiced peoples.

We do, however, share a common heritage with the U.S. when it comes to Native Americans.

Typical half assed style.

The South didnt have a huge population, and thats one of the reasons is used slaves for labor. The north was the industrial hub, and the south was the cotton / agricultural area. There was significantly less population.

http://lcweb.loc.gov/exhibits/african/reynomap.jpg

Heres a map for you.

It was a small group of people that owned slaves. You think every white guy in the South owned one? Hell no.

Surprise surprise !
That's what was offred to them in Camp David 2000 and Arafat rejected it.
You should listen both to what Clinton and Bush said
about it.

But Rat, there were also a lot of pro-slavery types living in the North at the time. The issue was far from "black & white" <img SRC="http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/biggrin.gif">

In relation to the entire U.S. population then yes, the south was relatively small in comparison. So what? Look up how many thousand people died in your war that was an attempt to resolve the issue. It didn't reslove it of course though. It officially served to abolish slavery, but it did nothing to fix the problem of what to do with the 3 million+ slaves that you had dragged over from Africa. A lot of white folks down there said "<i>HELL's FIRE! War or no war, no nigga's gonna live on MY street! Nobody's gonna tell ME thet a nigga is equal tuh ME!</i>"

And that pea-brained mentality lives on in parts of the U.S. to this day.

Not entirely the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

And it doesn't matter if only a few hundred thousand folks owned slaves. The fact is that a few milliion U.S. citizens in the huge region known as the "South" were willing to fight to defend the institution of slavery. An area that is bigger and was more populace than many entire countries at the time.

Your "small" argument holds no water Lab, because it was by no means a small issue in the U.S. like it was in Canada.

The civil war wasnt over slavery despite what alot of people would like to think.

In the mid 1800s cotton was the export that accounted for over half the GDP at the time. The South saw the North getting more influence in Washington (because they had more people... more voters) and they knew in a matter of time that the North would dictate the laws of the South. THATS why they wanted to leave the Union.

Leave the Union? They would have taken over half the countries wealth with them.

The Civil War was not over slavery. Thats bullshit. The North used it as an excuse... and not even a very good one.

Only a relatively small number of southerners actually owned slaves. Most southerners were to poor to own slaves. The fight was primarliy over state rights, which of course involved the right to own slaves.

Your points about the civil war are of course valid and accurate.

My point that there is no comparison between the slavery issues in Canada as opposed to the U.S. is also valid.

I addressed this in the very paragraph of mine you chose to quote.

Camp David was a really messed up deal, the palestinian state would not have the right to control its own borders, airspace and water resources. Would Israel accept the proposal if such things would have applied to them?

To demolish all settlements weren't in the plan, the plan was to give palestinians israeli land in exchange of keeping settlements. Basicly shittie land was offered and the palestinians did not accept it.

The refugees right to return was not discussed seriously, if i'm correct the only countries in the world that don't respect the refugees right to return home are Israel and US.

Plus more...

I agree, but in a way it is like saying a woman is a little bit pregnant. Slavery, is slavery, is slavery and has been around virtually since the beginning of mankind, and from what I understand there is still slave trade, in a few parts of the world, to this very day. I think the Sudan is one, if I recall correctly.

As I recall you are correct on most, if not all points, other than Israel denied the right of return.

Owning ******s is owning ******s.

Color it however you like.

One Canuck said Canadians didnt oppress black people. I showed they did. There wasnt even any need to argue it.

Dude, read back in the thread to Rat's posts where he's trying to use this issue to do his usual ridiculously arbitrary slam dance on Canada. That is the reason for me making and stressing the above point.

I understand your reasoning. No problem here.

Okay, fair enough. As I pointed out, we resolved our issue nearly 100 years before you did. Not only that, but during your vast decades of legal slave ownership, where did your runaway slaves run to for safe haven?


That's right Rat. Your favorite country and mine.... Canada.

Uhm, Detroit was the end of the line for the Underground railroad.

If they chose to go to Canada, that was their decision.

Why do you think Detroit is so black in an otherwise white area?

Cmon CD... you can do better than this.

Because tageted killing of innocent civilians if just wrong how would you feel if that was your family

Would you be surprised if after you moved your family into someones front yard who hated you, they attacked you and your family?

You would find that surprising?

I am amazed the Palestinians took it this long.

So your saying just becuase I hate someone I have the right to shoot up their 9 month old child.. happened this wednsday

Bunch of idiots armed to the teeth?

Sounds like the US

:winkwink:

Israeli's and Palestinians, live side by side, and both sides have been killing civilians, including babies, thus the hatred. It does not make any difference if they are targeted or not, dead is dead, and the grief is the same for both peoples.

The wheel continues to turn.

I love the US

You quote me wrong I said:do not oppress Black people as US did , of course it was slavery in Canada , but you can not compare size of it

Jews only got Israel after one of the most viscious terrist campaigns aimed at the British (and their families).

So don't you think that jews are now being a *tad* hypocritical?

The jews set an example. Viscious terrorism gets you what you want. That's just what the palestiens are doing now.

You set the standard for terrorism, and are now crying about it.

Its happen in YOUR backyard already : 9/11 - and it will happen again, of course I doubt they will target Detroit shithole...

I shushed you before about this subject...Jews are trying to keep it secret about the terrorist attacks against the British.

Just give me an example when Jews killed 9 years old British girl

You are not getting it.

I am saying... do not be surprised when after you take someone elses land (and decide to live on it), they will do mean things to you.

If someone takes my house and occupies it and then takes my ability to work...

I am going to wait for his kids on the playground and hit them with a can of gasoline.

I dont think he should be surpised by the reaction.

Whoa! The last thing we need here in the states is more religious zealots....

look it up

why the shushing?

Yeah really [Labret] why don't you just give detroit back already, some people are so greedy... :winkwink:

You're going to argue that thousands and thousands of former slaves <i>didn't</i> run to Canada? It's a historic fact. I think you can do better than this Rat.

Admit it, when it comes to this issue there is no comparison between the Slave/racial horrors of the two counties. Canada comes out so far ahead you can't even see us on the horizon.

Especially consider ?Only for white people? slogan, - when it was turn down? Middle of the last century?

Of an estimated 4 million slaves in the South, you are going to rant and rave over "thousands and thousands"? The numbers that went to Canada were insignificant at best.

I told you...the Zionists don't want this fact to become common knowledge.

I bet you can not find something like this..

No way. You're way off. Detroit wasn't the "end" of the underground railroad my friend. For the bulk of blacks the end was Canada. Just because after the big conflict many chose to return to the US and settle in Detroit is irrelivant. When slaves talked of freedom, they talked of reaching Canada.

Heh, I'd say tough shit to the Zionists.

ok

but it's common knowledge

especially here in the UK

because it was recently the queen's ten-millionth julilee (or whatever) there were tons of documentaries about the fall of the british empire (very interesting stuff)

and there was quite a detailed section about britain 'owning' palestine, and then all the jews came over after WWII and then the fighting between them began, and all the terrorism *by jews* against the british ...

and soon enough the british said "fuck this for a laugh" and left. That's probably where the US took over.

and the situation hasn't exactly improved since then

forgetting all this 'holy land' bollocks, the jews were given loads of choice about where they wanted their own country, and if I remember rightly were offered some really nice areas/islands.

But no, they had to move to where they were surrounded by arabs, and to an area where historically jews and arabs are constantly at each other's throats.

Ever heard of making life easy for yourself?

These people obviously haven't.

I'd rather that 'my girlfriend was a dialer' than read this discussion.

The venting and anti semitism being written is disgusting. :mad:

Shame.:mad:

Anti-Israel means Anti-Semite right?

you're mistaking me for someone who cares

Nope your wrong, first of all Jews only targeted Military targets and called in before hand to warn people. They did not target schools discos etc where kids are

When the US took over Palestine?:1orglaugh :1orglaugh
Go back to school man, or may be you are still in the second grade?

Actually jews lived there before 1945

If you do not care - just shut up

that's right
anti israel is the new form of anti-semitism.

two years a go palestine started a terror war agiants israel,
media is just an other front, palestians use anti israel propganda,
promoting the idea that israel should be banned of the comunity of nations, as well as promoting the daily murders of innocent israelies and jews all over the world.

We're are dealing here with the same fundumuntel islam,
that usa, and eventually europe will have to deal with,
and like you fought the nazis, we have to fight and win this war
with all means we have militarty and economically.