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SleazyDream · 09-10-2004, 08:42 PM

What are you going to do when microsoft releases their new update eliminating most spam?

it's less than a month away.

detoxed · 09-10-2004, 08:43 PM

It wont do shit

Juicy D. Links · 09-10-2004, 08:44 PM

link to this?

Theo · 09-10-2004, 08:45 PM

I've heard about it, but I didn't know it's so close to be released.

rollinthunder · 09-10-2004, 08:45 PM

Even more money for the real pros.

Theo · 09-10-2004, 08:45 PM

Expect to see the same filtering that hotmail does then.

lagwagon · 09-10-2004, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rollinthunder
Even more money for the real pros.

ya i agree with this. i dont mail at all but i bet this will help out the big guys.

rollinthunder · 09-10-2004, 08:47 PM

Is this what you are talking about?

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...2247036&EDATE=

SleazyDream · 09-10-2004, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by detoxed
It wont do shit

things like spam arrest work. imagine if something like that existed for EVERYONE? end of spam

SpeakEasy · 09-10-2004, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by detoxed
It wont do shit

WRONG

chupachups · 09-10-2004, 09:01 PM

It will definetely have a big impact on mailing thats for sure.

rollinthunder · 09-10-2004, 09:03 PM

I must be missing something?

tical · 09-10-2004, 09:03 PM

mail direct

pornguy · 09-10-2004, 09:41 PM

I think that mail direct will be the thing. Remember that it is mainly the us that has a major issue with it.

Juicy D. Links · 09-10-2004, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chupachups
It will definetely have a big impact on mailing thats for sure.

link to this?

Tempest · 09-10-2004, 09:46 PM

The crooks always find a away around everything. Did you hear how the mathmeticians may be close to solving the problem that would basically make most encryption (including bank security) vulnerable?

detoxed · 09-10-2004, 09:52 PM

If you think Microsoft is going to eliminate most spam within a month you are crazy

hydro · 09-10-2004, 09:53 PM

Lots of different ways. My mailers generate aim and yahoo accounts with ocr then use those accounts to mail. By doing so landing in the inbox is very easy.

hydro · 09-10-2004, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream
things like spam arrest work. imagine if something like that existed for EVERYONE? end of spam

Not true, i know a guy with a mailer that uses mailblock's own system against them. The way it works is by using the addresses he wants to spam as the from address and a random @mailblocks.com address as the to. Mailblocks sends a text copy to the from address with the ad in the email.

Juicy D. Links · 09-10-2004, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by juicylinks
link to this?

???

chupachups · 09-10-2004, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hydro
Lots of different ways. My mailers generate aim and yahoo accounts with ocr then use those accounts to mail. By doing so landing in the inbox is very easy.

Well for "industrial" kinda mailing thats not gonna work. I hear alot of peeps that really fear this new stuff.

Juicy D. Links · 09-10-2004, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chupachups
Well for "industrial" kinda mailing thats not gonna work. I hear alot of peeps that really fear this new stuff.

you got a link to this new shit?

chupachups · 09-10-2004, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by juicylinks
you got a link to this new shit?

yes looking for something in english now

hit me up on icq

SleazyDream · 09-10-2004, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hydro
Not true, i know a guy with a mailer that uses mailblock's own system against them. The way it works is by using the addresses he wants to spam as the from address and a random @mailblocks.com address as the to. Mailblocks sends a text copy to the from address with the ad in the email.

i get almost no spam with spam arrest. without it 1000's a day.

mal · 09-10-2004, 10:05 PM

Thu Sep 9, 6:53 PM ET

On the heels of the repudiation of Microsoft's Sender ID E-mail-authentication scheme last week by two major open-source software groups, spammers are doing the opposite: They're embracing the very standard intended to curb their abuses.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...c_cmp/47102042

LOL @ people who think microsoft can stop spam

Juicy D. Links · 09-10-2004, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chupachups
yes looking for something in english now

hit me up on icq

whats your icq yo , i did a mass cleanup of my icq today

Juicy D. Links · 09-10-2004, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream
i get almost no spam with spam arrest. without it 1000's a day.

whats your spam arrest email?

I can get in.

hydro · 09-10-2004, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream
i get almost no spam with spam arrest. without it 1000's a day.

yes it blocks spam, but it can be used by spammers to spam other people. Challenge response systems have been around for a while starting with hashcash but its been proven a few times that it can't work with the masses since most of the general public is full of idiots who only use the computer for porn, cybering, and ebay. But thats a good thing for us

chupachups · 09-10-2004, 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mal
Thu Sep 9, 6:53 PM ET

On the heels of the repudiation of Microsoft's Sender ID E-mail-authentication scheme last week by two major open-source software groups, spammers are doing the opposite: They're embracing the very standard intended to curb their abuses.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...c_cmp/47102042

LOL @ people who think microsoft can stop spam

The register says the same:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/09...tication_spam/

What hydro suggested above might work for smaller amounts I guess but, mailing as we know it today is soon to be gone. Todays mailers are already seing margins/profits that are ridicilous in a "historical" perspective.. So, its not really about stopping it, but profits.

chupachups · 09-10-2004, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by juicylinks
whats your icq yo , i did a mass cleanup of my icq today

check your mail juicy

smack · 09-10-2004, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream
things like spam arrest work. imagine if something like that existed for EVERYONE? end of spam

where there is a will, and more importantly, money. there is a way.

hydro · 09-10-2004, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chupachups
The register says the same:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/09...tication_spam/

What hydro suggested above might work for smaller amounts I guess but, mailing as we know it today is soon to be gone. Todays mailers are already seing margins/profits that are ridicilous in a "historical" perspective.. So, its not really about stopping it, but profits.

well with an internal mailer you don't have to mail 100 million people a day. You can just mail 10 million a day and so long as you have fresh lists you'll still have really good profits.

cluck · 09-10-2004, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hydro
Lots of different ways. My mailers generate aim and yahoo accounts with ocr then use those accounts to mail. By doing so landing in the inbox is very easy.

Word. I did the same thing but stopped cause it stopped getting into AOL. Haven't mailed in a LONG time now.

mal · 09-10-2004, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by smack
where there is a will, and more importantly, money. there is a way.

ClamSmacker · 09-10-2004, 10:21 PM

Over the last month my Spam Can (deleted emails) has been relatively slow, I notice that spam is decreasing as the laws around the world change.
There will always be new innovative concepts to reach the market, there will be tunnels and trap doors around most spam software

chupachups · 09-10-2004, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hydro
well with an internal mailer you don't have to mail 100 million people a day. You can just mail 10 million a day and so long as you have fresh lists you'll still have really good profits.

You´re right about that.. but not everybody will be able to do it, far from.

Paul Markham · 09-10-2004, 10:33 PM

We installed "I Hate Spam" on all our computers and email addresses. Seems to work fine.

The problem with Spam is the business it costs to those who send legitimate mail and newsletters.

How many of our Newsletters get blocked, dumped or deleted before the recipient can read them? Cost ing us business and the recipient. The idea of Newsletters is to keep clients and interested people up to date with new products and developements. A lot lose out because of spammers.

lunchbox · 09-11-2004, 12:00 AM

#1 internal mailers arent great..u cant send anywhere near what a regular mailer can push, and require a shitload of accounts..i wouldnt call these much of a solution unless u had one for aol since quantity isnt such a huge issue anymore (since aol is gold)

#2 spf is coming ..and if it works, which i bet it will, its gonna have a huge impact.

Dont be fooled by the cockyness. Only a fewmailers/programmers really know what they are doing, and know people who can code something that *could* get arouned new systems. The rest rely on grabbing a free copy of a mailer, loading their proxies and mailing like the other thousands of sheep that do it daily. If you knew what mailing programs were out you would see that 90% of the people all use the same one. When that shit tanks, they will all start to shit themselves.

Thre will definitely be some weeding of the smaller mailers..thats for sure...in the end, there will be less spam..there will still be some spam..but less spam

polish_aristocrat · 09-11-2004, 02:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
I've heard about it, but I didn't know it's so close to be released.

nooo...don't tell me YOU are also a spammer

ivil_klown · 09-11-2004, 03:31 AM

Dont worry, i know somebody will get around that program. somebody always does,

NoCarrier · 09-11-2004, 03:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream
What are you going to do when microsoft releases their new update eliminating most spam?

it's less than a month away.

Idiot. (c) Sleazydream

CAHEK · 09-11-2004, 10:05 AM

here is the article

htpp://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=74&e=4&u=/cmp/47102042

V_RocKs · 09-11-2004, 10:16 AM

Why this simply will not work...

The majority of your spam is being done by professionals, not nubes like you. So if I go to Jakarta and setup a DNS server with the Sender ID list and then start spamming the fuck out of you, what did you list requirement accomplish?

And if I do this in the other 60 countries where laws are moot and money is God then what? Who is going to stop me when the person who is 'running' the server is a national of the country the server is in and gets paid $100,000 a year to be my house boy?

BlackCrayon · 09-11-2004, 10:34 AM

proxy mailing will probably be done for but spam sure isn't. this SPF is going to be a pain in everyones ass. you do realize that everyone here who owns domains has to get the published with SPF in order to send mail to hotmail,yahoo, ect. there are going to be a lot of ppl who won't be getting their email with this system.

warlock5 · 09-11-2004, 10:48 AM

This shit is going to make the big time spammers even more money,... kind of like drug kingpins

Nysus · 09-11-2004, 11:11 AM

The biggest problem that will come of this is at least initially emails not being delivered because of unknown address, which I think will affect/bother people more than getting spam. People will get used to the new way of things though and spam will be minimal.

Matt

hydro · 09-11-2004, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by lunchbox
#1 internal mailers arent great..u cant send anywhere near what a regular mailer can push, and require a shitload of accounts..i wouldnt call these much of a solution unless u had one for aol since quantity isnt such a huge issue anymore (since aol is gold)

#2 spf is coming ..and if it works, which i bet it will, its gonna have a huge impact.

Dont be fooled by the cockyness. Only a fewmailers/programmers really know what they are doing, and know people who can code something that *could* get arouned new systems. The rest rely on grabbing a free copy of a mailer, loading their proxies and mailing like the other thousands of sheep that do it daily. If you knew what mailing programs were out you would see that 90% of the people all use the same one. When that shit tanks, they will all start to shit themselves.

Thre will definitely be some weeding of the smaller mailers..thats for sure...in the end, there will be less spam..there will still be some spam..but less spam

internal mailers are effective. The accounts are even cheaper than lists or proxies too. With $200 you can buy around 20,000 - 30,000 yahoo accounts depending on the seller. With those you can mail about 3 million people each day since yahoo doesnt kill accounts that spam, at least not yet. Aol can't simply block off al of yahoo since tons of mail would be lost.

Spf is already being used. see this article. ttp://thewhir.com/marketwatch/spf090804.cfm

rollinthunder · 09-11-2004, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by charly

The problem with Spam is the business it costs to those who send legitimate mail and newsletters.

I don't think you will find a spammer on this earth that considers their mail not to be 'legitimate'!

loverboy · 09-11-2004, 11:34 AM

one thing for sure for me, i won't use Outlook again.

masterE · 09-11-2004, 12:25 PM

Speaking of spammers.. er, I mean mailers

. Lets say a guy had a couple hundred thousand legitimate optin address he was wanting to unload. Maybe interests from crafts to mortgage to opportunities (get rich quick) interest groups, how would this guy (theoretically) find buyers for his lists?

If these lists existed and the guy wanted to unload them, they would probably need to be cleaned, some may be 4 to 6 months old. Theoretically some would also be full data with name, address, email address etc. and others would be flat email address databases. All would be optin addresses (not unsubs).

Just curious.....

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09-10-2004, 08:43 PM	#2
detoxed vip member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,798	It wont do shit

09-10-2004, 08:44 PM	#3
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09-10-2004, 08:45 PM	#4
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	I've heard about it, but I didn't know it's so close to be released.

09-10-2004, 08:45 PM	#5
rollinthunder So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 359	Even more money for the real pros.

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09-10-2004, 09:01 PM	#11
chupachups Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Sweden/Spain you sum bitch! Posts: 6,576	It will definetely have a big impact on mailing thats for sure.

09-10-2004, 09:46 PM	#16
Tempest Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: West Coast, Canada. Posts: 10,217	The crooks always find a away around everything. Did you hear how the mathmeticians may be close to solving the problem that would basically make most encryption (including bank security) vulnerable?

09-10-2004, 09:52 PM	#17
detoxed vip member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,798	If you think Microsoft is going to eliminate most spam within a month you are crazy

09-10-2004, 09:53 PM	#18
hydro Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Dirty 3rd Posts: 4,216	Lots of different ways. My mailers generate aim and yahoo accounts with ocr then use those accounts to mail. By doing so landing in the inbox is very easy.

09-10-2004, 10:05 PM	#25
mal Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,899	Thu Sep 9, 6:53 PM ET On the heels of the repudiation of Microsoft's Sender ID E-mail-authentication scheme last week by two major open-source software groups, spammers are doing the opposite: They're embracing the very standard intended to curb their abuses. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...c_cmp/47102042 LOL @ people who think microsoft can stop spam

09-10-2004, 10:21 PM	#35
ClamSmacker Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Oztralia Posts: 677	Over the last month my Spam Can (deleted emails) has been relatively slow, I notice that spam is decreasing as the laws around the world change. There will always be new innovative concepts to reach the market, there will be tunnels and trap doors around most spam software

09-11-2004, 12:00 AM	#38
lunchbox Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 129	#1 internal mailers arent great..u cant send anywhere near what a regular mailer can push, and require a shitload of accounts..i wouldnt call these much of a solution unless u had one for aol since quantity isnt such a huge issue anymore (since aol is gold) #2 spf is coming ..and if it works, which i bet it will, its gonna have a huge impact. Dont be fooled by the cockyness. Only a fewmailers/programmers really know what they are doing, and know people who can code something that could get arouned new systems. The rest rely on grabbing a free copy of a mailer, loading their proxies and mailing like the other thousands of sheep that do it daily. If you knew what mailing programs were out you would see that 90% of the people all use the same one. When that shit tanks, they will all start to shit themselves. Thre will definitely be some weeding of the smaller mailers..thats for sure...in the end, there will be less spam..there will still be some spam..but less spam

09-11-2004, 10:16 AM	#43
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,409	Why this simply will not work... The majority of your spam is being done by professionals, not nubes like you. So if I go to Jakarta and setup a DNS server with the Sender ID list and then start spamming the fuck out of you, what did you list requirement accomplish? And if I do this in the other 60 countries where laws are moot and money is God then what? Who is going to stop me when the person who is 'running' the server is a national of the country the server is in and gets paid $100,000 a year to be my house boy?

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BlackCrayon Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ottawa Posts: 19,631	proxy mailing will probably be done for but spam sure isn't. this SPF is going to be a pain in everyones ass. you do realize that everyone here who owns domains has to get the published with SPF in order to send mail to hotmail,yahoo, ect. there are going to be a lot of ppl who won't be getting their email with this system. __________________ you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

09-11-2004, 10:48 AM	#45
warlock5 Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Uranus Posts: 2,808	This shit is going to make the big time spammers even more money,... kind of like drug kingpins

09-11-2004, 11:11 AM	#46
Nysus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,817	The biggest problem that will come of this is at least initially emails not being delivered because of unknown address, which I think will affect/bother people more than getting spam. People will get used to the new way of things though and spam will be minimal. Matt __________________ What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets See https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948258-untouchedmarkets-pr0-refund-money-post16744521.html and for more detailed see https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948645-re-recent-bullshit-drama-explained-detail-pr0-untouched-markets.html

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