I HATE minimum payouts!!! - GoFuckYourself.com

Missie · 12-06-2006, 04:18 PM

I no longer join any programs with $100 minimum payment. Thing is you have to try them out to see how they convert before you either drop them or promote them more. Not everything we try is a good fit and not every sponsor is a good converter. So you end up with one or two sales and then sit and sit and sit until you finally pull the plug and kiss that money goodbye. One program isn't a big deal, but you add them up and it can make quite a difference. All these little commissions combined would pay for all my Christmas shopping!

And that's all I'll say.

Missie

marcjacob · 12-06-2006, 04:27 PM

I have to say i agree, this really pisses me off. If the sites dont convert well with your traffic your screwed and loose YOUR money.

Sosa · 12-06-2006, 04:30 PM

yeah it does suck.

nba4life2k · 12-06-2006, 04:30 PM

agreed. minimum payouts suck, they benefit the company more than the individual.

Kimo · 12-06-2006, 04:32 PM

I can understand minium payouts of $50, but come the end of the year I think they should just payout everything even if its below the minium.

After Shock Media · 12-06-2006, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nba4life2k

agreed. minimum payouts suck, they benefit the company more than the individual.

Minimums do not suck, high minimums do. I know and understand the reasoning behind them.

So a slight suggestion to sponsors that do their own payouts (typically these are those who have higher minimums).

Keep your regular minimum payout in place for normal payments.
Have an option for new affiliates to get an immediate payout during normal payday for their first signup('s). One time only.
At the end of quarter or year, flush out all amounts owed that are below minimums.

D · 12-06-2006, 04:42 PM

Minimum payouts are a necessary buffer to alert sponsors to certain types of fraud.

They are also helpful in addressing certain accounting issues that rise up from time to time.

I'm not even gonna go into the whole "earth friendly" tip. :-)

There's also the fact that some programs (well, ok... at least HoDough) have variable minimum payours... it doesn't have to be $100 (which is standard default) you can go as low as $50... you can also set it higher if you wish.

I do agree that, if you're leaving a program, however, and they don't cut you a check for monies owed, that's complete and utter bullshit.

We've had a couple affiliates in my time (for whatever reason) leave our program, and upon contacting us in that regard and their account being terminated, whatever money they're owed is sent to them... minimum payout met or not. That's just good business.

Minimum Payouts just make sense in doing honest business, from my personal perspective... which is why we're all here in the first place.

shekinah · 12-06-2006, 05:09 PM

Yes, I agree too, certainly.

Psycho_x · 12-06-2006, 05:18 PM

I agree, I waited nearly 6 months to get a pay out through one sponsor.Site didnt convert well and they only had one. So it took a while to recieve that check.

madawgz · 12-06-2006, 05:24 PM

yeah i have the same problem on some sponsors

DutchTeenCash · 12-06-2006, 05:29 PM

http://islanddollars.com

$25 minimum and no its not hard they sell like wow

Rui · 12-06-2006, 05:32 PM

I hate....taxes, traffic, waking up early, to find that some dog pissed in my car wheels,etc.....

HeadPimp · 12-06-2006, 05:38 PM

This is why I mostly promote programs that run through CCbill...

Furious_Male · 12-06-2006, 05:53 PM

Just request a check and close the account. If you explain the reason you haven't hit the min. most sponsors will cut you the check.

vvq · 12-06-2006, 05:56 PM

I think most sponsors will pay you out if you just talk to them. I know we do.

rowan · 12-06-2006, 06:46 PM

I hear you, Missie. Bigcashcrew have a minimum payout of $100, which I didn't see as a problem when I signed up because I know my webcam traffic converts well. After generating over 400 free account signups I was only up to 3 paid sales ($75) and then one of them was refunded, bringing me back down to $50. I wasn't going to waste more traffic - which would have netted me $500+ with the other webcam sponsor - just to make another $50, so I asked nicely for an extraordinary payout.

4 1/2 months later - today - BCC finally paid.

rowan · 12-06-2006, 07:10 PM

Just for fun I played with some stats from the other webcam sponsor I usually send my traffic to.

For registrations in August 2006 (one month) including paid sessions since, the total is $677.18. The actual payout was 50% higher because I moved up a tier, so I made $1015.77 cash from registrations in that one month alone... and it will keep going up as people are still paying for sessions.

I sent just over 1,000 hits to webcam sponsor "X" to earn that. I've sent 5 times more clicks to bigcashcrew and all I earned was $50.

I'm an idiot for persisting with BCC for that long.

Even more so for believing they'd send my $50 pronto.

rowan · 12-06-2006, 07:13 PM

If those earnings are typical then I could have earned over $5k from the hits I sent to BCC by sending them to my normal sponsor... instead I got $50

I need my head read

Time to review some sponsors I think

mattz · 12-06-2006, 07:14 PM

If I cannot make a sponser min payout I would not be promoting them...so its not that big of a deal.

sicone · 12-06-2006, 07:14 PM

I dont hate minimum payouts, I just hate when I fall short of them during the pay period

Juilan · 12-06-2006, 08:39 PM

They should offer a payout at end of every fiscal year, problem solved.

HomeFry · 12-06-2006, 08:41 PM

It's theft, IMHO.

I could see a minimum if maybe it was set to $20.00 or something, but those $100.00 minimums are simply there to help them recoop their bloated PPS payouts.

rowan · 12-09-2006, 12:16 AM

bump8chr

bdld · 12-09-2006, 12:48 AM

agreed, min payments should be set at the amount that 1 sale generates, anything more is theft.

jimthefiend · 12-09-2006, 12:49 AM

stfu whore

bdld · 12-09-2006, 01:12 AM

i emailed a program i had about $80 in sales with.. i told them i wasn't going to promote them anymore because of bad ratios, and if they could just send the amount i had earned up to that point. surprise surprise, i got no response.

Vitasoy · 12-09-2006, 03:56 AM

I hear ya, I have probably close to a K added up with multiple programs that I have not reached the min payout

Dirty Dane · 12-09-2006, 04:10 AM

I hate maximum payouts

digifan · 12-09-2006, 04:26 AM

Wish I had the money now I have in the accounts of these minimum payout programs.

4Man · 12-09-2006, 04:31 AM

Maximum is bad.

Sarah_Jayne · 12-09-2006, 04:38 AM

not as bad as having to pay to get paid..getting tired of seeing programs where no matter what payment option you are paying a fee to get your money. Just work it into the payout or something but it feels a bit crap to pay to get the money..especially on rev share programs where I am not taking a huge big payment per sale from you but just getting my share

okdesign · 12-09-2006, 06:36 AM

I also hate it!

MikeVega · 12-09-2006, 07:16 AM

We have a $100 min on both programs but mainly because we gave away $66.6 in satancash when you opened an account (and stated the min payout in advance) and $50 in Mobbucks when we launched. in the opening 3 days of SatanCash we credited over $18k to Affiliates in free money. the only catch was that you give us a try. you make 2-3 sales and you get the bonus. If you only make 1 sale and want to stop traffic you would have to hit one of us up to get the account closed and paid out. we would payout anything over the bonus. I know it's a pain in the ass but it's the only way we can give the credit to the Aff's that take the time to try us. I'd like to set it to $50 at some point but have to find a way in Nats to separate the accounts that still have the bonus in them. I'll have Pete look into it. the minimum also helps you detect fraud by giving you a few more sales and time to catch it.

Violetta · 12-09-2006, 07:17 AM

yep... sucks so much that I dont join some programs because of it! Ccbill rocks

tranza · 12-09-2006, 07:23 AM

I don't have any problems with $50 minimum payouts.

It's the $200 minimum that sucks...

wyldblyss · 12-09-2006, 07:26 AM

It seems the $100 minimum seems to be pretty standard. I promote a shitload of sponsors, and hence I have a shitload of sponsors I have never met the minimum with yet. I do think that they should pay out once per year or something, but that just isn't going to happen.

ForteCash · 12-09-2006, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Missie

I no longer join any programs with $100 minimum payment. Thing is you have to try them out to see how they convert before you either drop them or promote them more. Not everything we try is a good fit and not every sponsor is a good converter. So you end up with one or two sales and then sit and sit and sit until you finally pull the plug and kiss that money goodbye. One program isn't a big deal, but you add them up and it can make quite a difference. All these little commissions combined would pay for all my Christmas shopping!

And that's all I'll say.

Missie

hit me up

Worldnet · 12-09-2006, 08:15 AM

Programs love them. Look at all the cash they get to keep when hundreds of small timers drop out of the program.

Agent 488 · 12-09-2006, 08:18 AM

ccbill rocks.

Quick Buck · 12-09-2006, 08:32 AM

Minimum payouts are usually pretty clearly posted. We have minimum payouts, they are absolutely necessary for reasons I won't discuss.

If a sponsee however tried us, it didnt work out and they wanted to close their account then we would likely on a case by case basis (are you from russia and sent one hotmail signup on 4 clicks?) pay out and close the account.

DutchTeenCash · 12-09-2006, 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by budsbabes

ccbill rocks.

exactly

I pretty much hate prgs who charge 5% or so too, if youre making $200 the epass should be free imho

Waveu6410 · 12-09-2006, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Minimums do not suck, high minimums do. I know and understand the reasoning behind them.

So a slight suggestion to sponsors that do their own payouts (typically these are those who have higher minimums).

Keep your regular minimum payout in place for normal payments.
Have an option for new affiliates to get an immediate payout during normal payday for their first signup('s). One time only.
At the end of quarter or year, flush out all amounts owed that are below minimums.

I totally agree.

rowan · 12-09-2006, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

[*]Have an option for new affiliates to get an immediate payout during normal payday for their first signup('s). One time only.

Wouldn't this increase the potential for fraud? As an affiliate I don't mind waiting a little longer to get an extraordinary payout, but I sure don't like the prospect of having to waste more traffic just to make the minimum......

(Note to Big Cash Crew - 4 1/2 months is not a "little" longer.

)

Sly · 12-09-2006, 03:12 PM

My biggest peeve is the single girl sites that don't just stick with CCBill. I probably have 10 different accounts with various single girl "programs" that have $30 sitting in them. I have a teen site I add all of these girls too and the sales just aren't consistent enough to hit the minimum of every girl I put up.

Quote:

Originally Posted by thinkx

I pretty much hate prgs who charge 5% or so too, if youre making $200 the epass should be free imho

The only program I've had do this is Triple X Cash. I haven't done all of the math, but they seem to charge a pretty decent chunk if I recall correctly. Pretty lame if you ask me. Of course I won't pretend to know what it costs to issue checks, but as an affiliate that really shouldn't be my problem.

Jay · 12-09-2006, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Missie

I no longer join any programs with $100 minimum payment. Thing is you have to try them out to see how they convert before you either drop them or promote them more. Not everything we try is a good fit and not every sponsor is a good converter. So you end up with one or two sales and then sit and sit and sit until you finally pull the plug and kiss that money goodbye. One program isn't a big deal, but you add them up and it can make quite a difference. All these little commissions combined would pay for all my Christmas shopping!

And that's all I'll say.

Missie

Missie,

Try TrafficCashGold and LoveDollars, both have always had minimum payouts of $5.00!

That makes it really easy for you to test either program. We know that not everyone has lots of traffic and no one wants to wait a month to reach a minimum payout of $100.00 And once you try us, you won't be disappointed.

LiveDose · 12-09-2006, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kimo

I can understand minium payouts of $50, but come the end of the year I think they should just payout everything even if its below the minium.

That would be a nice gesture on the part of sponsors.

marcjacob · 12-09-2006, 03:54 PM

Min payouts should never be more that $50. In fact, lets start a revolution. If this board got together and said we will drop any sponsor that doesnt obey rules we decide, they would have to pander to us. Not just payouts, all sorts. Anything that hurts us would go. Think about it.

Whats that thing with aff that nicks our sales? Cant remember but this is a great way to fight it!

scottybuzz · 12-09-2006, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomeFry

It's theft, IMHO.

I could see a minimum if maybe it was set to $20.00 or something, but those $100.00 minimums are simply there to help them recoop their bloated PPS payouts.

lol no its not when u signup u agree to T&c, how is that theft?

12-06-2006, 04:18 PM	#1
Missie Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 372	I HATE minimum payouts!!! I no longer join any programs with $100 minimum payment. Thing is you have to try them out to see how they convert before you either drop them or promote them more. Not everything we try is a good fit and not every sponsor is a good converter. So you end up with one or two sales and then sit and sit and sit until you finally pull the plug and kiss that money goodbye. One program isn't a big deal, but you add them up and it can make quite a difference. All these little commissions combined would pay for all my Christmas shopping! And that's all I'll say. Missie __________________ Looking for a clean sponsor that won't steal from you?check them out here!

12-06-2006, 04:27 PM	#2
marcjacob Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: England Posts: 1,063	I have to say i agree, this really pisses me off. If the sites dont convert well with your traffic your screwed and loose YOUR money. __________________ Free Site Express GFY Launch Offer Gay Demo Video - Straight Demo Video Icq: 191127710 Email: [email protected]

12-06-2006, 04:32 PM	#5
Kimo ... Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Maryland ICQ:87038677 Posts: 11,542	I can understand minium payouts of $50, but come the end of the year I think they should just payout everything even if its below the minium. __________________ ...

12-06-2006, 04:42 PM	#7
D Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The Valley Posts: 7,412	Minimum payouts are a necessary buffer to alert sponsors to certain types of fraud. They are also helpful in addressing certain accounting issues that rise up from time to time. I'm not even gonna go into the whole "earth friendly" tip. :-) There's also the fact that some programs (well, ok... at least HoDough) have variable minimum payours... it doesn't have to be $100 (which is standard default) you can go as low as $50... you can also set it higher if you wish. I do agree that, if you're leaving a program, however, and they don't cut you a check for monies owed, that's complete and utter bullshit. We've had a couple affiliates in my time (for whatever reason) leave our program, and upon contacting us in that regard and their account being terminated, whatever money they're owed is sent to them... minimum payout met or not. That's just good business. Minimum Payouts just make sense in doing honest business, from my personal perspective... which is why we're all here in the first place. __________________ -D. ICQ: 202-96-31

12-06-2006, 05:09 PM	#8
shekinah Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 8,452	Yes, I agree too, certainly. __________________ [Web Design \| Development \| Programming \| Content Writing ] ICQ: 238-890-469

12-06-2006, 04:30 PM	#3
Sosa In Tushy Land Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 40,149	yeah it does suck.

12-06-2006, 04:30 PM	#4
nba4life2k Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 308	agreed. minimum payouts suck, they benefit the company more than the individual.

12-06-2006, 05:18 PM	#9
Psycho_x Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 697	I agree, I waited nearly 6 months to get a pay out through one sponsor.Site didnt convert well and they only had one. So it took a while to recieve that check. __________________

12-06-2006, 05:24 PM	#10
madawgz 8.8.8.8 Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Noordermarkt Posts: 30,509	yeah i have the same problem on some sponsors __________________ TAEMDLRMSKRJIXMRLSMRJ.

12-06-2006, 05:29 PM	#11
DutchTeenCash I like Dutch Girls Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: dutchteencash.com Posts: 21,684	http://islanddollars.com $25 minimum and no its not hard they sell like wow __________________ ICQ 16 91 547 - SKYPE dutchteencash bob AT dutchteencash DOT com ... did you see our newest Sweet Natural Girl Priscilla (18)?

12-06-2006, 05:32 PM	#12
Rui web Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: On icq: 85-483-060 Posts: 9,533	I hate....taxes, traffic, waking up early, to find that some dog pissed in my car wheels,etc.....

12-06-2006, 05:38 PM	#13
HeadPimp Bad Mo-Fo Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 2,772	This is why I mostly promote programs that run through CCbill...

12-06-2006, 05:53 PM	#14
Furious_Male Doing the grind since 99 Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Buffalo NY Posts: 16,883	Just request a check and close the account. If you explain the reason you haven't hit the min. most sponsors will cut you the check. __________________ Living in Virtual Reality Contact: Email (preferred): furiousmale .at. gmail - Skype: live:shanedws

12-06-2006, 05:56 PM	#15
vvq Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: TrafficGigolos.com Posts: 2,732	I think most sponsors will pay you out if you just talk to them. I know we do. __________________ SQUIRTING - LESBIAN SPANKING - TITTY FUCKING - WET PANTIES - MORE We offer free hosting, your own designer (works for free), and unsaturated content for gallery and free site submitters. Just contact me! E-mail: [email protected]

12-06-2006, 06:46 PM	#16
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	I hear you, Missie. Bigcashcrew have a minimum payout of $100, which I didn't see as a problem when I signed up because I know my webcam traffic converts well. After generating over 400 free account signups I was only up to 3 paid sales ($75) and then one of them was refunded, bringing me back down to $50. I wasn't going to waste more traffic - which would have netted me $500+ with the other webcam sponsor - just to make another $50, so I asked nicely for an extraordinary payout. 4 1/2 months later - today - BCC finally paid.

12-06-2006, 07:10 PM	#17
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	Just for fun I played with some stats from the other webcam sponsor I usually send my traffic to. For registrations in August 2006 (one month) including paid sessions since, the total is $677.18. The actual payout was 50% higher because I moved up a tier, so I made $1015.77 cash from registrations in that one month alone... and it will keep going up as people are still paying for sessions. I sent just over 1,000 hits to webcam sponsor "X" to earn that. I've sent 5 times more clicks to bigcashcrew and all I earned was $50. I'm an idiot for persisting with BCC for that long. Even more so for believing they'd send my $50 pronto.

12-06-2006, 07:13 PM	#18
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	If those earnings are typical then I could have earned over $5k from the hits I sent to BCC by sending them to my normal sponsor... instead I got $50 I need my head read Time to review some sponsors I think

12-06-2006, 07:14 PM	#19
mattz Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: AZ Posts: 7,697	If I cannot make a sponser min payout I would not be promoting them...so its not that big of a deal.

12-06-2006, 07:14 PM	#20
sicone Retired Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Sac Posts: 18,453	I dont hate minimum payouts, I just hate when I fall short of them during the pay period __________________

12-06-2006, 08:39 PM	#21
Juilan Sultan of Swing Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: XXXodus Posts: 15,141	They should offer a payout at end of every fiscal year, problem solved. __________________ My Best Converting VOD Sponsor \|

12-06-2006, 08:41 PM	#22
HomeFry Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,062	It's theft, IMHO. I could see a minimum if maybe it was set to $20.00 or something, but those $100.00 minimums are simply there to help them recoop their bloated PPS payouts.

12-09-2006, 12:16 AM	#23
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	bump8chr

12-09-2006, 12:48 AM	#24
bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 11,452	agreed, min payments should be set at the amount that 1 sale generates, anything more is theft.

12-09-2006, 12:49 AM	#25
jimthefiend So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: icq: 121189 Posts: 18,889	stfu whore

12-09-2006, 01:12 AM	#26
bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 11,452	i emailed a program i had about $80 in sales with.. i told them i wasn't going to promote them anymore because of bad ratios, and if they could just send the amount i had earned up to that point. surprise surprise, i got no response.

12-09-2006, 03:56 AM	#27
Vitasoy GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 58,202	I hear ya, I have probably close to a K added up with multiple programs that I have not reached the min payout __________________ [email protected]

12-09-2006, 04:10 AM	#28
Dirty Dane Sick Fuck Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: www Posts: 9,491	I hate maximum payouts

12-09-2006, 04:26 AM	#29
digifan The Profiler Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: ICQ 76281726 and I'm female Posts: 14,618	Wish I had the money now I have in the accounts of these minimum payout programs.

12-09-2006, 04:31 AM	#30
4Man Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,830	Maximum is bad.

12-09-2006, 04:38 AM	#31
Sarah_Jayne Now with more Jayne Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 40,077	not as bad as having to pay to get paid..getting tired of seeing programs where no matter what payment option you are paying a fee to get your money. Just work it into the payout or something but it feels a bit crap to pay to get the money..especially on rev share programs where I am not taking a huge big payment per sale from you but just getting my share

12-09-2006, 06:36 AM	#32
okdesign ICQ 278367136 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 24,773	I also hate it! __________________ Webmasters, Come here for SUPER BIG TITS Highest Conversions, Highest Retention!

12-09-2006, 07:16 AM	#33
MikeVega Porntrepreneur Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: New York Posts: 12,788	We have a $100 min on both programs but mainly because we gave away $66.6 in satancash when you opened an account (and stated the min payout in advance) and $50 in Mobbucks when we launched. in the opening 3 days of SatanCash we credited over $18k to Affiliates in free money. the only catch was that you give us a try. you make 2-3 sales and you get the bonus. If you only make 1 sale and want to stop traffic you would have to hit one of us up to get the account closed and paid out. we would payout anything over the bonus. I know it's a pain in the ass but it's the only way we can give the credit to the Aff's that take the time to try us. I'd like to set it to $50 at some point but have to find a way in Nats to separate the accounts that still have the bonus in them. I'll have Pete look into it. the minimum also helps you detect fraud by giving you a few more sales and time to catch it. __________________ Mike Vega-ICQ:253868499-AIM:mikeydicevega

12-09-2006, 07:17 AM	#34
Violetta Affiliate Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 28,735	yep... sucks so much that I dont join some programs because of it! Ccbill rocks __________________ M&A Queen

12-09-2006, 07:23 AM	#35
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	I don't have any problems with $50 minimum payouts. It's the $200 minimum that sucks... __________________ I'm just a newbie.

12-09-2006, 07:26 AM	#36
wyldblyss Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Buck Starts Here Posts: 5,779	It seems the $100 minimum seems to be pretty standard. I promote a shitload of sponsors, and hence I have a shitload of sponsors I have never met the minimum with yet. I do think that they should pay out once per year or something, but that just isn't going to happen.