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John you obviously are having a tough time dealing with the attacks on your company. There are alot of companies like myself who don't post much but read the boards to research companies before doing business with them. I would expect the type of posts you are making from a lower end sales person but certainly not from the owner of the company. As the owner of Nats you are really making yourself and your product look terrible. You really aren't handling this well and you are spending too much time worrying about the small guys posting on gfy instead of worrying about how bad your image is amongst the bigger guys.
Also, instead of worrying about somebody suggesting MPA why don't you answer a few of the questions in the other popular thread where your name keeps popping up (ie DJ's Flashcash disappearing sales thread). |
John - why don't you have Nats in your sig?
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Regarding the FlashCash issue I just posted a thread about it. |
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Nats is ok for me to use
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I have no idea what the NATs program admin is like but as an affiliate I have never liked NATs. Yes, the stats are nice but it's simply not user friendly when it comes to getting links or marketing materials. Also, from how I would set up things like FHGs, it doesn't seem to offer the type of functionality I would want to offer affiliates. As someone who has "specialized" in user interfaces in the past, I'm very attuned to that sort of thing.
Executive Stats. I only know of one program I promote that's using them and I'm not impressed with it's affiliate interface either. MPA - Not sure which ones I promote that use it but I have a feeling it's affiliate interface is weak as well. There's a good chance I'll be looking into this next year at some point and I'll be looking into what the big boys use. I'm already pretty sure I won't be choosing NATs. I don't like the issues/concerns etc. that have been coming up over the last few months. |
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Also, what issues/concerns are you worried about? |
Here maybe is a good way to look at it:
if you are going from an in house program that doesn't support stuff like multiple processors, backups, etc... and you are looking to go that way, well... NATS is a good answer. If you are trying to be better than average, well, NATS is a decent answer. if you are moving from, say, ccbill tracking to your own affiliate program, it is certainly a good answer, and will lend credibility to your deal. Now, the downsides I see: - Many programs are using it, which means you won't be any better than any number of programs out there. - Some of the ways that galleries are such are presented to affiliates can be a bit of a pain at times. - When something bad happens to NATS (say like this week's "not a shave" module deal) you can get caught up in the issue in passing. On balance, if NATS is much better than where you sit right now, well, do it. |
We went with MPA3 because they are just more visible at all of the shows...I see Oystein everywhere...and Ive played golf with him before...people do business with people they know...Ive never seen Nats at any webmaster show on the west coast.
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Nats is a great piece of software,and john and his crew are top notch, MPA is also a great piece of software as is Exectuive Stats.
But havent seen any affiliate software that even comes close to Clickman's, thats why we use it. Rob knows his shit and his software shows it |
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Stats - The drop down needs to include all previous periods or at least the periods since the affiliate signed up. Most non-nats programs offer this. Links - I hate the encoded links but it goes beyond them being encoded. I want to be able to add compaigns on the fly. There's the autocamp thing but there's some odd things about it and I'm not sure it works properly, especially for FHGs. But the big thing is that I have to go back into the admin if I want to change links from non-console to console. Or I want to send to tour 2 instead of tour 1. There's no consistency, even within the same program. Generating Links - I shouldn't have to have the page load a couple times before I can get to the links. I should be able to set some parameters and click the button once. I should be able to grab all the links at once insted of having to cut and paste each one. Banners and FHGs - It looks like the entire thing is desgned from the same base code instead of designing it to the specifics of requirements of each section. I would toss everything and start from scratch frankly. Again, speed and ease of use, consitency. Bulk exporting with cut and pasting. Don't display everything, use some drop down boxes that allow me to set the campaign, program, site and what I want in terms of type of banner etc. Banners - With an advanced piece of software like this, it should be generating the FPAs with my code already in it. Display the banners full size so I can consider their effectiveness and then I can right click and save. FHGs - Why can I not have all the galleries go to any tour available? The current system allows programs to say they have 1000s of galleries when in fact maybe they only have 10 unique sets of content but some galleries go to tour 1, some to tour 2, some use template 1, some template 3 etc. etc. etc. As an affiliate, and what I'd like to offer affiliates, is the ability to easily put up some content and some templates, and the affiliate can pick and choose the template and tour they want for their galleries so they can tweak things for their traffic. Quote:
The lawsuit. At first I figured it was justified. But now watching how you get heated up over a forum, I'm wondering if perhaps you aren't somewhat to blame for the initial argument. Now that I've written out a bunch of things and thought about it, if I find the user interface of the affiliate section this "bad", I'd be concerned that the admin area is just as bad. |
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Regarding the ratios dropping on a move. I know it has been said by some people, the problem is it is a minority of people. And when its reviewed there are never any problems found. If we ever find a problem or are shown a problem we fix it immediately. I wish there was more I can say but without seeing or being shown a problem I can't :( Just please know that we are always looking to make sure things are working properly. Regarding the lawsuit. They are two totally different things. One is dealing with random anonymous people posting things on GFY and one is dealing with a client of ours which we value every one of greatly. One is not an indicator of the other but I can understand your assumption. You can ask our clients, the vast majority of them will say they are treated very very well. There will always be a few unhappy people when dealing with so many but we do our best to make sure every client of ours is well taken care of, treated with absolute respect and happy at the end of each day. |
NATS is great!! we use them.. great service, quick swap... and they buy you drinks :thumbsup
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I've used NATS in several different programs now and I've been extremely happy it! The updates, support, and overall functionality of the software gives us the ability to focus on other areas.
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we've been running NATS for 27 months now and it just gets better with every update they put out... if i had to do it all again, i'd start up with NATS
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We have been using and making money with NATS for about
a year now and have had no problems what so ever. The product rocks very detailed easy to use and has good support backing it up. I totally reccomend them! Hit me up anytime if you have any questions Good Luck :thumbsup |
Obviously I have strong positive opinions towards NATS. I have many clients happily using it and have never had any new clients upset with a recommendation of it.
That said: You have to identify a list of things you want your affiliate software to do then compare what each option offers against that list. I'd be surprised if any program had as many positive hits to a good list as NATS since they have been tweaking and adding to the program from day one in response to webmasters asking for features. |
From a design perspective, we've integrated NATS for a lot of our affiliate design clients, and so far its been smooth sailing. No complaints on our end.
We have not tried out the other companies yet, so wouldn't be fair for us to compare them with NATS. |
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It's a good comment you made though and people running NATS should pay mind to it and work on making their templates more unique to their program. |
Just wanted to jump in on this thread,
I have worked with John & the rest of the TooMuchMedia staff for awhile now and they are great! The product that they provide (NATS) has got to be one of the best affiliate program software packages I have seen in adult and the mainstream. One of the many advantages of using any product from TooMuchMedia is friendly and knowledgable staff. Any time we have had issues (even special customizations) TooMuchMedia/NATS has jumped in and done everything without ever nickle n' diming us. How many software companies can you say that about these days? :) My vote is to go with NATS if you are in need of affiliate program software (or members area software like CARMA). They will help you through every single issue you may have and are always are great to work with. :) To TooMuchMedia you arent just another client, your a business partner and friend. Thats why I will always use TooMuchMedia products! :) Jim |
I am 100% for NATS. I've been with SexDateCash for about 3 years and we have had them since the beginning. The interface is very easy to use, the customer service people must be vampires because someone is ALWAYS online and their KB (help center) is written so easily that any N00b could understand the simple directions.
I've used NATS, I've used another company which I will not name and I've used custom built backend. I wouldn't trade Nats for the anything. :thumbsup |
been working with nats for a couple of months now and I can seriously say they have their stuff together. very professional and a solid company.
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Go for NATS :)
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NATS is always a good choice :)
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no where near enough background info provided for any sort of educated statement.
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If you are looking to expand, NATS is the way to go.
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I've been lucky enough to see NATS from the ground up and it' s every increasing capablities, and can't rave more about it.
It's a matter of preference in this market. Some like NATS, some like MPA3, and others Exec Stats. The best way to for a business to find out for themselves are threads like these for all three and weigh them specifically for their own business needs. Competition breeds excellence. |
We use NAT's but MPA3 is damn good too.
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As an affiliate, I only choose sponsors with NATS. Any other program doesn't give me enough information for me to be content.
Love it or hate it, in my opinion, NATS is the best program out there |
Nats. Great support team:thumbsup
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You can't go wrong with NATS. The entire think it templated. Program admins have full access to change the way link codes, galleries, stats, etc are delivered to the affiliates. If you don't like the way NATS looks, that's more of an issue with the program owners, not the affiliate software itself. It's entirely cuztomizable. Not to mention support is amazing. If you've got custom ideas, support will gladly point you in the right direction to make them happen.
Don't blame the software or company because programs choose not to change the way everything is displayed or develop more custom solutions. It's all entirely possible. |
John, what promotion is currently going on with NATS? Do you have any promotions in the future that may persuade me to go with NATS in the new year?
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NATS is a marketing machine. Any of the others will do just as well.
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As long as the $$ keeps rolling in, I could care less what affiliate software affiliate program uses...
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We push 36 sponsors and have about 25 accounts with each and the high % of affiliate software used is Nats...
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With an affiliate point of view, I LOVE working with Nats. My databases are build around the first program I started to push and they were using Nats, so now for me it is easier to go with aprogram wich uses NATS cause I can have the galleries formats I need to easily implement them in my databases.
Actually I don't join any new program that is not using Nats... From a presonal Point of view, I need to say that John and Charlie are very, very nice people. Some here will say that I am biased cause they are our big sponsors at QWEBEC Expo. But If I wouldn't truly mean it, I would say it. I definitelly wouldn't take the chance to get bashed here on GFY for a few thousands bucks... If you have questions, PLEASE call them or talk to them. You have an issue? call Charlie, he will make sure to resolve the situation and make you happy. Now see sig : NATS ROCKS :thumbsup |
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