One year ago, Ohmobile was everywhere with Mobile adult....

[Yanks_Todd]

Ohmobile kinda blew it and pissed some people off. Xobile seems to have good low key strategy going, and we have been staying pretty low key as well. Things are heating up though, and getting closer to fruition in the US, especially in light of the recent elections.

What is the general feeling of the webmaster community here about Mobile adult content?

What companies have approached you?

What are you looking for in a mobile solution?

[Jakke PNG]

mobile adult content isn't the key to the future imho.
Mobile billing is.

but then again, what do I know.

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by TeenGodFather

mobile adult content isn't the key to the future imho.
Mobile billing is.

but then again, what do I know.

I agree mobile billing will be huge, however as technology increases it is a given to download the media to that device as well.

[Masterchief]

Good luck billling for anything remotely related to adult in the US

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by Masterchief

Good luck billling for anything remotely related to adult in the US

It's going to be a bit, however we are talking to all major players on a monthly basis and the Canadian Carriers led by Roger's Wireless are going to roll out adult in '07. It's all a matter of age verification.

[emjay]

Originally Posted by TeenGodFather

mobile adult content isn't the key to the future imho.
Mobile billing is.

but then again, what do I know.

Disagree. Mobile is a whole new distribition channel to turn bytes into bucks.

SMS chat became multi million dollar industry, and videochat-to-go is the next killer-app waiting to happen.

Trouble is, the technology is ahead of the market. But the cellcos have invested billions into 3G and beyond, and have a vested interest to make it work.

The mobile internet can be compared its fixed-line equivalent of '97. But them walled gardens are coming down

All webmasters should become wapmasters and at least start promoting their 'to-go' versions on their websites.

Adult mobile has had a difficult birth but all indications are the the future is bright for personal portable pleasure

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by emjay

Adult mobile has had a difficult birth but all indications are the the future is bright for personal portable pleasure

Yeah, you can say that again. Oddly enough in this day and age if something doesn't blow up in a month it's a failure. Mobile is slowly turning the corner though.

[mikeyddddd]

I picked up about a dozen domains to use for mobile porn almost 5 years ago.

I'm still waiting for the market to be there.

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by mikeyddddd

I picked up about a dozen domains to use for mobile porn almost 5 years ago.

I'm still waiting for the market to be there.

Are you getting any traffic to them?

[psili]

Doing adult mobile development for the past year, I can say from a development perspective, it sucks ass. Check out the WURFL and the varying number of handsets and caveats for each, for example.

In regard to WAP, having checked out a couple of competitors, I thought very little of their mobile products (maybe it's changed since I last looked, though): two examples - the payment gateways are cumbersome and their download pages are a bunch of links expecting the user to know which screen size and media type their phone supports (Always remember users are dipshits and lazy, keep it simple). Also, it could just be me, but I think buying a photo or video is more of a novelty than anything else, especially on such a tiny screen.

In regard to SMS, yea, adult SMS is still screwed in the US. If anyone knows how to get a US carrier to approve a shortcode catered to porno, let me know. Furthermore, after the cost to partner with an SMS aggregator for messaging and the chunk the carriers take out of each one, you're left with pennies for premium rate SMS.

Reglardless of my grumpy feelings toward the mobile space, I think the most money will come via interactive services where you can interact back and forth with a customer ( and charge a premium rate for each outbound for an interaction ), combined with engaging them to a WAP portal that offers additional, cheap upsells to content of some sort. I think bikini / NN people in this industry have a huge wealth of content they can use in the US market that will get approved by carriers and be enjoyable to customers... Say a "chat" service that's non sexual where the chat client can send a "current" picture (and more for +$$) of themself to the user participating in it -- all for a minimal fee.

Dunno... Though I'd share to pennies.. *shrug*

[FreeHugeMovies]

I hated seing the constant "Oh Mobile" girl threads. Exclusive this and exclusive that.

[AllStar]

The US Cell/Phone Companies are known as some of the most greedy companies going, besides gas companies.

If there is money to be made they will do it.

They are not doing it right now because of political pressure but the minute they can they will be all over it.

Come on people who thinks Mobile companies are not allowing adult because of there own moral ideals?

[drjones]

Originally Posted by emjay

Disagree. Mobile is a whole new distribition channel to turn bytes into bucks.

Nail, meet head. The hype machine that was assaulting the adult industry about mobile, around a year ago was very misleading, and the message was wrong. It was almost as if mobile was being touted as a replacement for PC porn. Obviously, the reality hasn't lived up to the hype and the skeptics of mobile feel a bit vindicated now.

Mobile is simply a value-added service for your surfers. The more mediums your content is available on, the more money you can make.

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by AllStar

The US Cell/Phone Companies are known as some of the most greedy companies going, besides gas companies.

If there is money to be made they will do it.

They are not doing it right now because of political pressure but the minute they can they will be all over it.

Come on people who thinks Mobile companies are not allowing adult because of there own moral ideals?

I agree. Something else many people don't take into consideration is that the people in charge of the major mobile networks were not hired to sell porn, in fact many predate any data sales at all! These old execs where hired to drop fiber optic lines and bring out products like caller ID. I mean think about it; It's a huge jump for them and it won't be an easy one, so give them time.

[PMdave]

with the internet being so common and widespread and resolutions getting higher and higher and quality of movies is getting better and better I always wonder who the fuck is going to watch porn on a mobile phone screen... you just can't see shit.

Mobile internet will become succesfull no doubt... but not as it is being developed now. Mobile internet=internet and not some special designed light version of it.

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by psili

Doing adult mobile development for the past year, I can say from a development perspective, it sucks ass.

I absolutely agree. That is why, for now the average webmaster is not going to be able to tackle it by themselves. However there are several good companies out there to partner up with that can help get your feet wet in mobile fast and free.

Originally Posted by psili

In regard to WAP, having checked out a couple of competitors, I thought very little of their mobile products (maybe it's changed since I last looked, though): two examples - the payment gateways are cumbersome and their download pages are a bunch of links expecting the user to know which screen size and media type their phone supports (Always remember users are dipshits and lazy, keep it simple). Also, it could just be me, but I think buying a photo or video is more of a novelty than anything else, especially on such a tiny screen.

Have you tried out product? We use the lowest common denominator technology wise and offer a web based product, no java to mess with. However I do agree when it comes to video it gets much trickier, but like anything their will be convergence and more knowledgeable end users as time goes on.

Originally Posted by psili

In regard to SMS, yea, adult SMS is still screwed in the US. If anyone knows how to get a US carrier to approve a shortcode catered to porno, let me know. Furthermore, after the cost to partner with an SMS aggregator for messaging and the chunk the carriers take out of each one, you're left with pennies for premium rate SMS.

Nope, it is a no go with US shortcodes and adult. However even thru the aggregation process you can make more then pennies if you us higher price points and more interesting products. Of course there will not be any $35 PPS any time soon.

Originally Posted by psili

Reglardless of my grumpy feelings toward the mobile space, I think the most money will come via interactive services where you can interact back and forth with a customer ( and charge a premium rate for each outbound for an interaction ), combined with engaging them to a WAP portal that offers additional, cheap upsells to content of some sort. I think bikini / NN people in this industry have a huge wealth of content they can use in the US market that will get approved by carriers and be enjoyable to customers... Say a "chat" service that's non sexual where the chat client can send a "current" picture (and more for +$$) of themself to the user participating in it -- all for a minimal fee.

Interactive services will be huge, but non-interactive content will never be totally obsolete on any media. The key point is that technology convergence will take place on dual fronts, 1. In your Home and 2. In your Pocket. Mobile porn is not really about the now, it is about building the traffic base and branding for the next few years. It has been a given that people will be accessing media outside their home when the very first wireless connection occurred. The question is then; Will your traffic or content be there when the future is today?

Great thoughts though. I love to actually interact here with some intelligence for a change.

Cheers

[ztik]

Mobile dating / network (similiar to myspace) is the future.

Mobile porno, is not.

Not until more people get PC like phones atleast. The quality sucks, and most people have pc's at their home. Who wants to look at porn riding on a bus or in a cab. Nobody.

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by ztik

Mobile dating / network (similiar to myspace) is the future.

Mobile porno, is not.

Not until more people get PC like phones atleast. The quality sucks, and most people have pc's at their home. Who wants to look at porn riding on a bus or in a cab. Nobody.

So if your point is that when more people get more capable phones porn will work, then I have to say you contradict yourself a bit and mobile porn just may be the future.

[GonZo]

Originally Posted by FreeHugeMovies

I hated seing the constant "Oh Mobile" girl threads. Exclusive this and exclusive that.

Theres only one X in mobile...

[drjones]

Originally Posted by ztik

Mobile dating / network (similiar to myspace) is the future.

Mobile porno, is not.

Not until more people get PC like phones atleast. The quality sucks, and most people have pc's at their home. Who wants to look at porn riding on a bus or in a cab. Nobody.

Try watching our High Rez Xobile videos on something like this: http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=954

On a 3g network the movies come up very fast, and the quality rocks. I demo Xobile to people using this phone, and they always come away seeing the potential.

Right now, phones with displays of this quality are expensive, but very reasonable with cell contracts. Todays new tech is old and busted tomorrow (more importantly, cheap). It wont be long before your average phones have this capability and high quality video isnt something that only the early adopters among us enjoy

[abyss_al]

Originally Posted by drjones

Nail, meet head. The hype machine that was assaulting the adult industry about mobile, around a year ago was very misleading, and the message was wrong. It was almost as if mobile was being touted as a replacement for PC porn. Obviously, the reality hasn't lived up to the hype and the skeptics of mobile feel a bit vindicated now.

Mobile is simply a value-added service for your surfers. The more mediums your content is available on, the more money you can make.

[Kimmykim]

A friend of mine runs the sms segments of Deal or No Deal and several other similar type shows. The hoops they have to jump through to get a .99 charge to stick AND the sheer scope of what each of the carriers requires is unbelievable.

I'd say that any kind of viable adult profits are still years away.

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by Kimmykim

A friend of mine runs the sms segments of Deal or No Deal and several other similar type shows. The hoops they have to jump through to get a .99 charge to stick AND the sheer scope of what each of the carriers requires is unbelievable.

I'd say that any kind of viable adult profits are still years away.

Well, fortunately there are many large companies stepping up to assist the carriers transition to adult in the areas of AVS and what not. As far as the hoops, many of those are technological and have to do with handsets being compatible with your product. When it comes to online adult VS. Deal or no Deal for technology, I know where I would put my money.

[Jace]

I don't get what happened with ohmobile, they had a GREAT start, I just think Jason got too bogged down with other projects and let it slide....he approached me to get some of our content on there, he was totally hyped and excited for a week or so, then it fizzled out....I talked to some other girls that I know that he has up on the ohmobile and as of a few months ago they had no commissions ffrom their pics being up on ohmobile

[ElvisManson]

Originally Posted by mikeyddddd

I picked up about a dozen domains to use for mobile porn almost 5 years ago.

I'm still waiting for the market to be there.

are you sending traffic to http://www.mobiletraffic.com ?

[Jace]

Originally Posted by GonZo

Theres only one X in mobile...

while I agree xobile is a nice site in theory

they really need to step it up a notch and offer exclusives, solo girls and features

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by Jace

I don't get what happened with ohmobile, they had a GREAT start, I just think Jason got too bogged down with other projects and let it slide....he approached me to get some of our content on there, he was totally hyped and excited for a week or so, then it fizzled out....I talked to some other girls that I know that he has up on the ohmobile and as of a few months ago they had no commissions ffrom their pics being up on ohmobile

Ohmobile had a beautiful site and did fantastic press releases and GFY posts. The problem with ohmobile was the process. I didn't start this thread to bash them, but since I am now dealing with all the fallout from their unhappy customers I will discuss their approach to mobile and why it was a bad one.

RULE NUMBER ONE: Whoever you choose as a mobile solution TRY IT out as a customer on your phone. You DO need to have a decent and compatible phone for this, i.e. don't try it on your plumber dads old brick phone. So ask them what phones models work and make a purchase. I have a feeling if any of the ohmobile girls had tried out ohmobile first they wouldn't have signed contracts.

How not to do mobile.

1. Don't make the user type in a U/P on their phone. Filling in forms on phones sucks, this doesn't have to happen.

2. Don't charge more then $5 USD. The right price point is a must, mobile is not minature sites as much as it it pieces of content on demand.

3. Have more then credit card info. Most of your market is not US based, you need to prepare for this in the beginning.

4. Don't sign content providers or webmasters to exclusive deals. Would you sign a contract with a tgp for your content? Of course not.

5. Make it fast and free. Get you clients up in hours not months. Mobile will come, but slowly. So get you client up and running free and fast and give them a realistic expetation of what to expect.

[Anthony]

We have a very viable solution, which we have on our premium accounts using

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by Jace

while I agree xobile is a nice site in theory

they really need to step it up a notch and offer exclusives, solo girls and features

I think xobile approach is a great one, they have a great product and are taking it slow and not pissing people off. Mobile is going to be a tough sell for webmasters who are looking for $35 PPS. So easing in, is key.

[Anthony]

Whoops, sorry. We have a viable solution at http://365mobilesolutions.com

Looking forward to changes in telecomm regarding content type.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

I think xobile approach is a great one, they have a great product and are taking it slow and not pissing people off. Mobile is going to be a tough sell for webmasters who are looking for $35 PPS. So easing in, is key.

Todd,

Mobile should be looked at more as a Value added service, to increase the bottom line.

I see this more geared to paysite owners, than the affiliate webmasters. This is to increase the $$$'s earned for every membership sale made.

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Whoops, sorry. We have a viable solution at http://365mobilesolutions.com

Looking forward to changes in telecomm regarding content type.

We should talk. The best thing about our system is the ease that we can bring your partners into our network for an additional distribution and sales stream. Essentially Pocketgirls.com can be a mobile tgp for all your clients to use.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

We should talk. The best thing about our system is the ease that we can bring your partners into our network for an additional distribution and sales stream. Essentially Pocketgirls.com can be a mobile tgp for all your clients to use.

Absolutely Todd, let's talk. Shoot me an email when you are free tomorrow, and let's do a phone conv.

anthony <@> jettis dot com

[drjones]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

How not to do mobile.

...

4. Don't sign content providers or webmasters to exclusive deals. Would you sign a contract with a tgp for your content? Of course not.

This is a big one.. phones today are computers and most of these exclusive contracts for "mobile" delivery rights really have to be considered carefully.

What is the difference between a modern "phone" and a PC? Size and power. The problem with exclusive mobile contracts is that the distinctions those contracts try to inevitably draw between phones, computers and ?mobile devices? are imaginary. Perfect example: What is a laptop with a PCMCIA cellular modem that connects your machine to Sprint?s EV-DO wireless network for internet access?

What criteria does the contract use to distinguish between something like a laptop, and a mobile device? What are the implications of these imaginary distinctions for content providers locked in an exclusive ?mobile? contract? Will an exclusive mobile contract actually grant exclusive delivery rights for content over a much wider range of devices than you intended? Terms like phone, smartphone, PDA, Portable Game System etc, are great terms for marketers and consumers. They?re bad for lawyers. Trying to hammer down legally binding and clear definitions for all these devices, for use in contracts, is not an easy task. Hell, the definitions are ever changing and devices have all converged to such a point, it may not be possible at all. Ask 10 different mobile developers whether the gadget in your hand is a smartphone, or a PDA, or a mobile computer or something else and you'll get 10 different answers.

[abyss_al]

exclusive deals are the way to go IF you can deliver

[drjones]

Originally Posted by abyss_al

exclusive deals are the way to go IF you can deliver

The problem I have with exclusive mobile deals is that it puts the onus on the content creator to dictate what device a user can view their content on. Thats something that cannot possibly be controlled. Its all broadcast over the same internet.. you either have internet distribution rights or you dont.

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by abyss_al

exclusive deals are the way to go IF you can deliver

Why? Please Explain?

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by abyss_al

exclusive deals are the way to go IF you can deliver

I think WAAT rocks as a mobile solution, however I also can guarantee that I can get some of their partners content in front of eyes that they can't and vice versa. No offense, but the internet, mobile or otherwise is big, so why not make your money with mulitply aggregators who have exponentially more deals with more companies and more networks?

[RyuLion]

Can't wait till this is official, so we can use it..

[BlackCrayon]

im not sure if porn will take off on mobile phones simply because the screen is so small. who is really gonna take the time to fill out forms and and even try to look at pictures that are 2x3 inches at best. i do however see a market for other things in mobile. more 'on the go' type purchases preferably where the cost can be billed to their phone bill so they don't have to go through the hassle of filling out field after field.

[abyss_al]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

Why? Please Explain?

sure... give me a sec

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

im not sure if porn will take off on mobile phones simply because the screen is so small. who is really gonna take the time to fill out forms and and even try to look at pictures that are 2x3 inches at best. i do however see a market for other things in mobile. more 'on the go' type purchases preferably where the cost can be billed to their phone bill so they don't have to go through the hassle of filling out field after field.

Most of the better solutions have eliminated the need to fill out forms on the phone.

[Gateway69]

Mobile is Mobile is mobile.. I started a mobile site back in 2000 for pocket pc's and palm pilots (grey scale) I also remember porn way back in the early 90's on a computer or amiga that didnt look that great either. I think you have to be forward thinking in our industry or any and take advantage of the people who have spent alot of time, money, resources figuring out this mess we call Mobile delivery to end consumers.

Pocket Pc's where nice , they had a mini version of IE (PIE) and you didn't have to do much to resize on the fly per device. Not to Mention anyone who knows me prob has seen my mobile video demo almost 6 years ago on these devices.

So whats changed in 6 years, well we have faster network connections for phones in the US (edge, ed-vo, etc) some what better phones but we are lagging way behind Europe in many things, the UK has really embraced adult mobile and believe it or not we are doing some good numbers on the O2 Adult portal.. I personally would never buy anything with my phone to watch porn but well from the numbers we are seeing it converting really well.

anyhow dont want to rant on, if you follow todds or my sig we have a nice forum set up also for specifically mobile talk and feel free to join..

just be careful on exclusive deals, as its already been mentioned make sure your contract also spells out what (devices) are considered mobile, and really i mean if one company can bring you x amount of sales and another x amount, dont u make more money using a few different companies to promote your content than locking it up with one?

[abyss_al]

there's alot of mis-direction/mis-understanding/mis-everything about adult mobile... working on a nice post.... give me a day

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by abyss_al

there's alot of mis-direction/mis-understanding/mis-everything about adult mobile... working on a nice post.... give me a day

Absolutely, this is a good post so far, so we are willing to wait. It was good to meet you today.

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by RyuLion

Can't wait till this is official, so we can use it..

You can use this now. Give me a shout tommorrow and I will get you set up.

[tony286]

mobileporn hasnt seem to take here, but my friend got back from the UK and in the papers its all over the place.

[harvey]

mobile porn will be huge, trust me

[Bird]

Mobile Is huge, You just have to work it a avery angle. product, service, content and biling and provide for both mainstream and adult.

Mainstream mobile is a gateway for mobile porn.

[KaLi]

Mobile is and was a great idea. Then again nowadays anyone can just get an MDA or a sidekick and visit a pornsite themselves. But I still think it is a very profitable venture.