50 agents kicking in your door while you scream "yo man... what chu on me for... i ain't did nuttin... why you mutherfuckas always gots ta be bout keepin a brotha down"

For a routine inspection of file keeping based on a domestic law?

"Doing business in.." is what matters. If some US consumer buy something in another country, then its the consumer that imports, and not the seller that exports.
Sure, there are agreements about trade and international cooperation against crime, but the nature of 2257 (guilty until proven) makes cooperation impossible as long the other country do not have such politics and laws.

Stranger things have happened Sarah... :upsidedow

If the IDs are unreadable then the content should be dumped. It's as simple as that. Regardless of whatever country the company doing busines is in. And I think this has nothing to do with 2257 laws, it's just common sense from my point of view.

The UK has "The Data Protection Act" which goes against the whole idea of 2257.

So it's kinda like the British Police turning up in New York City and arresting people for driving on the wrong side of the road. :)

until they got your gov't to turn the heat up on you.....dent ever forget the US gove can be very persuasive if they desire to be....

they are owrking on the bigger picture....that is why there are no arrests...but you can be sure they have a master plan they are formulating that will include EVERYONE.....

What is so fuckinghard about taking copys of id, we do it every time we shoot, even with models we have shot before, we still get copys of their id.

We take a copy of it for the files and we take a picture of them holding there id in their hand and we have their id verified with the local police.

Tell me what is so hard about that, people that are to lazy to do that deserve everything they get. :2 cents:

i second that ... but dont you think they mean foreign companies with a US based office or distribution center, like private and Maxx etc..

seeing how hard it is to get someone extradited to even stand trial for a violent crime, i fail to see that other countries would allow and inspection..

Especially seeing how it would probably violate the privacy laws of the country where the business was set up etc not to mention the models privacy and thereby setting the state up to face major lawsuit etc..

Its quite opposite. They are targeting wrong people, thats why there are no arrests. The real CP sites are still out there, and they give a fuck about 2257.

THEXY!

:winkwink:

crazy stuff

The data protection act in the UK is taken as seriously as something like the second amendment in the States. Having police help violate that for a paperwork check would be a political disaster for whoever was in government in the UK.

If the FBI pulls a name from their hat and its a company whose location is outside the USA and whose servers reside outside the USA, they will redraw from the hat and pull a new name.

I do not believe this is a case of hip hip hooray for non USA companies. Between hosting, transaction processing and affiliates, most everyone has ties to the USA that could suffer if they choose to ignore USA laws.

Seems like there a plenty of companies shooting and or serving the teen niche for boys and girls in the US, that they would never have to leave our shores for inspections.

[QUOTE=Dirty Dane;11459766]They are targeting wrong people, thats why there are no arrests. /QUOTE]


I do not disagree that the law is having little or no impact on true CP, but you are a bit off on your assumptions.

The way the FBI is doing it, they would not be arresting anyone, even those who are not 2257 compliant. The way the inspections are happening, the FBI shows up, does the inspection and THEN sends a report to the Dept of Justice. At that point, the DOJ will be deciding if anyone is going to be prosecuted. There may in fact be arrests coming up for the inspections that have already occurred, it all depends on what the DOJ decides to do.

everything cool here :thumbsup

and yeah I do know the x ref is a hell of a lot work but you gotta do it, all docs IDs release are in the safe and online, thats the only way imho

Hehe... OK, Instead of giving the FBI the GFY welcome, let's respond to this half sanely.

The FBI have no rights or authority to inspect anything outside US jurisdiction - they are a US domestic law agency, nothing more.

There is an instance where it may be reasonable for a "foreign corporation" to grant access to, eg, the FBI, allowing them to inspect data relating to documentation, where that corp has provided content and associated 2257 type docs to other parties.

However, in reality, any foreign law agency has no "rights" to even enter another country and act in a law agency capacity without collaborating with the local law enforcement. There is also no reason to consider that local law enforcement would wish to waste time on these enquiries unless there was good reason to believe CP or other offenses were being committed within that jurisdiction, and it would not be on the basis of "inspecting USC 2257 records". Real crime is one issue, violation of US 2257 domestic law is not a crime outside US jurisdiction.

Despite the above, - and this will vary depending on each country, it's laws and the background circumstances, - lawyers acting for "foreign corporations" may have a totally different view and recommend a refusal to permit access any documents as a matter of principle. A "foreign corporation" has one set of laws applicable, - those of the jurisdiction of that corp, - no other.

My :2 cents: - I go along with the concept of 2257 in that it did serve the purpose of protecting minors. Other nations have similar laws and photo ID/model releases et al are customary. There are also laws in almost every nation to cover child abuse which are more serious than "failing to produce documentation" and it's appropriate these laws are applied when real offenses are uncovered.

USC 2257 is an unenforceable law outside US territory and is not an "extraditable offense" - it is a recordkeeping offense.

Unfortunately the concept of protecting children is being degraded by the US Govt and law agency action. Any sensible investigator knows only too well, that they can go into "CP world" and find plenty real offenses against children being portrayed on websites (and hell knows what else) - these should be the target areas of any law agency who have any interest in using their budgets effectively. That does not include asking to see records of well-known porn talent who are clearly of legal age.

It is also ironic that the US is the only nation on the planet who are fussing over a record keeping law purportedly for child protection, yet can't even offer their own children the same rights and protections under the Convention On The Rights Of The Child.

A point of reality has not been reached yet - it's not about paperwork, - it's about protecting children from abuse. Sheesh... get real for once :pimp



PS And no, there will be no "inspections" of our corps - we are more than confident we don't deal with any materials involving minors.

Seems reasonable to me that if you are doing business in the US... you would have to comply with US law.

"Reasonable" is not the defining criteria. The defining criteria are the laws of the jurisdiction where the business is operated.

Sure, it is also "reasonable" that no servers/processors or any other business elements are being utilized within US territory.

The US govt is free to stop the rest of the internet "doing business" with the US - shut off cabling. Until that time, they need to shut up and stop whinging.

PS Iceland want compliance with their laws - can you please oblige.

Yes, understandable but then everytime an American based site sells a membership or gets traffic from another country they then should follow that countries rules. So, when are the raids from Chinese government officals on US soil going to start?

Well.... I have to tell you all, that FBI is very active here in Denmark. But in Denmark FBI is an agent for standup comics (Funny Business Inc). And I guess that that express our feelings regarding 2257. We are so glad, that we are not living in the states, that we do not have to comply to any american law, and that Danish laws still are ment to protect people. We do use photo-ids and modelreleases, but we would never, ever publish them.

I know a few of those companies who said publicly they were fine but off the record had multiple violations. One of them had something like OVER 50 violations I heard with bad IDs and papaperwork.

Hmmm... oops, Agent Johnson, we seem to have pulled two producers from outside the US in the lottery... Go ahead and put them back in and grab two more US producers... No one will ever know...

The FBI is NOT going to (because they do not have jurisdiction) inspect ANY foreign company for 2257 violations.

If you think otherwise, you are an idiot.


End of story.

Couldn't they keep non-compliant foreign companies from doing business in the US? All they'd have to do is keep them from billing US customers. They can probably come up with whatever reason they want.

Yes, they can randomly inspect and put people in jail for bad paperwork on legit models, but would it still help abused children?
Those arrests would mean nothing, except propaganda politics and votes.

I am compliant but how are they going to check? That is more of the issue. They aren't going to be allowed to come here to do it so are they going to require me to go to them? If so, fine.

Yup.

But the FBI gave them a chance to correct the errors. The FBI isn't all bad on this, they were working with those found in violation.

At least that is what a little bird told me.

Some country that has favorable extradition rules with the US. I suppose if they really wanted to go after someone they believed the be making some type of content without the correct paperwork?..they could ask to go through INTERPOL.

sincing joining gfy my knowledge on interstate agencies and the FBI has reached a much higher new level. thanks

Make sure you stress the importance of the Nickelback problem :thumbsup