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  • DarkJedi
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    • Feb 2001
    • 28301
    #1

    About NATS and signup ratios

    Stumbled upon this post http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=11352117

    It's funny, I though it was only me who's had this problem.

    FlashCash switched to NATS some time ago, and ever since my signup ratios doubled (got 2x worse). All flashcash webmasters are reporting same problem on their forum, but FlashCash is saying that everything is fine.

    I know for a fact that something is wrong. Your ratio can't just double for no reason. I've had the same, very steady SE traffic for years and all of the sudden ratios go to shit overnight? Smell like bullshit.

    So what the hell IS wrong with NATS?
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    • Jakke PNG
      ex-TeenGodFather
      • Nov 2001
      • 20306
      #2
      Maybe it counts more hits, or something?
      Does your amount of sales keep steady, or have those dropped as well?
      ..and I'm off.

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        • Martin
          "Assassins"
          • Dec 2001
          • 17278
          #3
          Never had much luck with proggies that made the switch either.

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            • Roald
              SecretFriends.com
              • May 2001
              • 27910
              #4
              Originally posted by TeenGodFather
              Maybe it counts more hits, or something?
              Does your amount of sales keep steady, or have those dropped as well?
              I think NATS indeed counts more accurate. Jedi?


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                • DarkJedi
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                  • Feb 2001
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                  #5
                  Originally posted by TeenGodFather
                  Maybe it counts more hits, or something?
                  Does your amount of sales keep steady, or have those dropped as well?
                  No it's not that. I actually see less hits being registered with NATS than on the old system and sales were cut in half with the switch.

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                    • Dirty F
                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                      • Jul 2001
                      • 59204
                      #6
                      Well i know one thing for sure and thats i never made a penny more with a program that switched to nats.

                      Its funny all program owners say signups triple after switching to nats and no webmaster ever seems to notice that. If they notice anything its usually less sales than before.

                      How the Fleshlight crew still can claim "nothing wrong here" is beyond me.

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                        • Brujah
                          Beer Money Baron
                          • Jan 2001
                          • 22157
                          #7
                          Maybe they also switched processors concurrently with their move to NATS? What are some programs that have switched to NATS within the past 6 months?

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                            • Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE
                              North Coast Pimp
                              • Dec 2005
                              • 9395
                              #8
                              maybe it is a conspiricy....

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                                • scottybuzz
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                                  • May 2006
                                  • 14799
                                  #9
                                  maybe all sales are backlogged and will all come in the next few weeks
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                                    • alexg
                                      IL4L.com
                                      • Aug 2003
                                      • 11287
                                      #10
                                      this sucks if true...
                                      i actually like the nats affiliate interface...

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                                        • the alchemist
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Dec 2004
                                          • 3271
                                          #11
                                          Real-Bucks switched to NATS a few weeks ago, both hits and sales tracking seems roughly the same to me...
                                          264 349 400

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                                            • Nysus
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Aug 2001
                                              • 7817
                                              #12
                                              Does Flash Cash use NATs fully?

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                                                • DarkJedi
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                                                  • Feb 2001
                                                  • 28301
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by Nysus
                                                  Does Flash Cash use NATs fully?

                                                  Matt
                                                  Yeah.



                                                  Originally posted by scottybuzz
                                                  maybe all sales are backlogged and will all come in the next few weeks
                                                  You're a fucking idiot.

                                                  Just stick to contest threads, ok?

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                                                    • Theo
                                                      HAL 9000
                                                      • May 2001
                                                      • 34515
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by scottybuzz
                                                      maybe all sales are backlogged and will all come in the next few weeks
                                                      quote of the month

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                                                        • jacked
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                                                          • May 2004
                                                          • 11019
                                                          #15
                                                          i noticed a real serious drop in sales once fleshlight switched over too, so much so that i ended up pulling all my links.
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                                                            • CaptainHowdy
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                                                              • Dec 2004
                                                              • 94741
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
                                                              quote of the month
                                                              !!

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                                                                • Dirty F
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                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                  • 59204
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by DarkJedi
                                                                  Yeah.





                                                                  You're a fucking idiot.

                                                                  Just stick to contest threads, ok?




                                                                  I was about the post the same...what a fucking tool. Fucking surfers here shouldnt be allowed in business threads.

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                                                                    • wyldblyss
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Nov 2003
                                                                      • 5779
                                                                      #18
                                                                      I have heard the same thing, and on my personal sites, I have always done better with programs that don't use nats than with those that do

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                                                                        • TheDoc
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                                                                          • Jul 2001
                                                                          • 13827
                                                                          #19
                                                                          If someone knows of a problem or bug with nats, they will fix it. But between webmasters, surfers, and the programs nobody has seen any "issues" that would cause sales or ratios to drop.

                                                                          NATS programs can be setup very differently. From processors, the amount of processors, how exits/xsales work and credit, if we have geoip or not, and more than I can list. NATS also tracks more clicks, all clicks even if the visitor never sees the tour. Then we have to look at the sites, the niches, all that bs..

                                                                          I have seen sites using nats which convert 1:200-400 for webmasters steady for long periods of time.

                                                                          I like to think that if something is wrong, someone would have noticed it. Lots of smart people use nats in all types of ways. Look at the program, look at the setup, the niches, and errors made by the program.. No reason to blame the software until we can find a problem with the software.
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                                                                            • Doctor Dre
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                                                                              • Jan 2001
                                                                              • 51692
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by Franck
                                                                              Well i know one thing for sure and thats i never made a penny more with a program that switched to nats.

                                                                              Its funny all program owners say signups triple after switching to nats and no webmaster ever seems to notice that. If they notice anything its usually less sales than before.

                                                                              How the Fleshlight crew still can claim "nothing wrong here" is beyond me.
                                                                              Actually from what I've seen most program owners says that there isn't a major increase in sales but that their backend facilitate everything for both the webmasters and the program.
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                                                                                • Doctor Dre
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                                                                                  • Jan 2001
                                                                                  • 51692
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by scottybuzz
                                                                                  maybe all sales are backlogged and will all come in the next few weeks
                                                                                  This is the perfect example of the reason why people laugh at you all the time... tard
                                                                                  Originally posted by rayadp05
                                                                                  I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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                                                                                    • DarkJedi
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                                                                                      • Feb 2001
                                                                                      • 28301
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                                                      NATS programs can be setup very differently. From processors, the amount of processors, how exits/xsales work and credit, if we have geoip or not, and more than I can list...
                                                                                      You're right

                                                                                      And that "verified signups" feature on FlashCash (you only get paid for them) ?





                                                                                      I'm not terribly happy about it

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                                                                                        • Dirty F
                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                          • Jul 2001
                                                                                          • 59204
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by Doctor Dre
                                                                                          This is the perfect example of the reason why people laugh at you all the time... tard

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                                                                                            • scottybuzz
                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                              • May 2006
                                                                                              • 14799
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              i said it as a joke retards.

                                                                                              obviously humour are not your strong points.

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                                                                                                  • Jan 2004
                                                                                                  • 16502
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by DarkJedi
                                                                                                  You're right

                                                                                                  And that "verified signups" feature on FlashCash (you only get paid for them) ?





                                                                                                  I'm not terribly happy about it
                                                                                                  wow, that looks scary... by the looks of that you gotta get the signup, then the person has to qualify before you even see a penny? what happens if they signup, but arnt qualified, they keep the cash the person paid for signing up and you don't get a penny?

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                                                                                                    • interracialtoons
                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                      • May 2006
                                                                                                      • 1910
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by DarkJedi
                                                                                                      Stumbled upon this post http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=11352117

                                                                                                      It's funny, I though it was only me who's had this problem.

                                                                                                      FlashCash switched to NATS some time ago, and ever since my signup ratios doubled (got 2x worse). All flashcash webmasters are reporting same problem on their forum, but FlashCash is saying that everything is fine.

                                                                                                      I know for a fact that something is wrong. Your ratio can't just double for no reason. I've had the same, very steady SE traffic for years and all of the sudden ratios go to shit overnight? Smell like bullshit.

                                                                                                      So what the hell IS wrong with NATS?
                                                                                                      I said this a long time ago and some people called me an idiot.

                                                                                                      I have never stayed with a program very long after they switched to NATS.

                                                                                                      I am like 1:15000 for a program that uses nats, down from 1:350!
                                                                                                      Done.

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                                                                                                        • Steve_AmateurVideoCash
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                                                                                                          • Nov 2006
                                                                                                          • 218
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          There is NO 3rd party software that is 100% reliable. A proven fact.

                                                                                                          But, Epoch's new software in Beta should change that.
                                                                                                          We are getting setup with that now... Wait and see ;)


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                                                                                                            • DarkJedi
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                                                                                                              • 28301
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by scottybuzz
                                                                                                              i said it as a joke retards.
                                                                                                              Sure you did, asswipe.


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                                                                                                                • interracialtoons
                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                  • May 2006
                                                                                                                  • 1910
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  WTF is a "verified signup"?
                                                                                                                  Done.

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                                                                                                                    • Dirty F
                                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                      • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                      • 59204
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by scottybuzz
                                                                                                                      i said it as a joke retards.

                                                                                                                      obviously humour are not your strong points.

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                                                                                                                        • TheDoc
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                                                                                                                          • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                          • 13827
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Steve_AmateurVideoCash
                                                                                                                          There is NO 3rd party software that is 100% reliable. A proven fact.

                                                                                                                          But, Epoch's new software in Beta should change that.
                                                                                                                          We are getting setup with that now... Wait and see ;)
                                                                                                                          Epoch is 3rd party software.. If the processing company has it or if I host it, it's still 3rd party software. Unless the Epoch program allows cascading and multi country billing options it won't make a difference.

                                                                                                                          If epoch wants to improve things they should correct the data post features and make it easier to get missing posts. Same goes for CCBill.
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                                                                                                                            • DarkJedi
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                                                                                                                              • Feb 2001
                                                                                                                              • 28301
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by interracialtoons
                                                                                                                              I said this a long time ago and some people called me an idiot.

                                                                                                                              I have never stayed with a program very long after they switched to NATS.

                                                                                                                              I am like 1:15000 for a program that uses nats, down from 1:350!
                                                                                                                              So why do you think this is happening? Is it easier to shave sales with NATS or is NATS not counting them like it should? (which is very doubtfull, because owners would sure notice that)

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                                                                                                                                • DarkJedi
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                                                                                                                                  • 28301
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by interracialtoons
                                                                                                                                  WTF is a "verified signup"?
                                                                                                                                  Fuck if i know.

                                                                                                                                  It's a sale that has been run thru a fraud-detection procedure.

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                                                                                                                                    • TheDoc
                                                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                      • 13827
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      FlashCash could have it setup differently but normally verified signups mean they pay on the trial after the trial converts to a full membership. They would pay on monthly memberships straight away. FC uses trial member areas so trial to converts are probably pretty good.
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                                                                                                                                        • RealityWife
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                                                                                                                                          • Jun 2004
                                                                                                                                          • 358
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Sales will not go down because a program uses NATS, they should improve at least a little because of adding a second biller. The problem some webmasters including myself have ran into when a program switches to NATS is that program did not set up every page for NATS. Its easy for a program owner to have a page out there that affiliate have been sending traffic for years yet they forget to set the page up for NATS. I am sure there are other reasons this can happen, but if the install is done correctly and every page is set up for NATS your sales should not slump.
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                                                                                                                                            • diesel
                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                              • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                                              • 1097
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              We had nothing but increase in sales since the switch to NATS and all our partners I talk with say the same.

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                                                                                                                                                • DarkJedi
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                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                                                                                                                  FlashCash could have it setup differently but normally verified signups mean they pay on the trial after the trial converts to a full membership. They would pay on monthly memberships straight away. FC uses trial member areas so trial to converts are probably pretty good.
                                                                                                                                                  That's not what they are saying.

                                                                                                                                                  Verified signup means that the surfer sucessfully logged into the site with his L/P within 3 days.

                                                                                                                                                  Fucking bullshit if you ask me. Look at my stats. 8 people out of 30 fail to log in? Why the fuck do they signup for then?



                                                                                                                                                  Oh and if it was like you said (verified = trial that converted to full), what is the point of having trials if they dont pay on them?

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                                                                                                                                                    • TheDoc
                                                                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                      • 13827
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by DarkJedi
                                                                                                                                                      That's not what they are saying.

                                                                                                                                                      Verified signup means that the surfer sucessfully logged into the site with his L/P within 3 days.

                                                                                                                                                      Fucking bullshit if you ask me. Look at my stats. 8 people out of 30 fail to log in? Why the fuck do they signup for then?



                                                                                                                                                      Oh and if it was like you said (verified = trial that converted to full), what is the point of having trials if they dont pay on them?

                                                                                                                                                      I see.. Yeah, that's the thing with NATS, and EVERY program. We can and do use it in different ways. Somethings are standard but overall programs can be widely different with it's features and setup.

                                                                                                                                                      With the issue of 8 out of 30 logins, it still sounds like trials are still paid on the upgrade. At least 90% of my people login.. Trial member areas push trial to converts to 35-55% depending on the traffic source so with a small drop in logins, you could have a 30% convert rate.
                                                                                                                                                      Last edited by TheDoc; 12-03-2006, 11:59 AM.
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                                                                                                                                                        • Dirty F
                                                                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                          • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                          • 59204
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by diesel
                                                                                                                                                          We had nothing but increase in sales since the switch to NATS and all our partners I talk with say the same.
                                                                                                                                                          Yeah no offense but i have to yet to see one program owner who didnt have an increase.

                                                                                                                                                          I bet its true in your case but its funny how often the affiliates say completely other things.

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                                                                                                                                                            • interracialtoons
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                                                                                                                                                              • May 2006
                                                                                                                                                              • 1910
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by DarkJedi
                                                                                                                                                              So why do you think this is happening? Is it easier to shave sales with NATS or is NATS not counting them like it should? (which is very doubtfull, because owners would sure notice that)

                                                                                                                                                              Either of the following might be:

                                                                                                                                                              - bugs in the tracking of sales
                                                                                                                                                              - Processor not reporting correctly back to nats
                                                                                                                                                              - encoded URLs not being tracked correctly
                                                                                                                                                              - fucked up cookies(some programmers don't know how to use them)
                                                                                                                                                              - Sponsor skimming sales

                                                                                                                                                              I no longer give a shit. I've gone back to all my old sponsors that paid and fuck the new shit.
                                                                                                                                                              Done.

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                                                                                                                                                                • DarkJedi
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                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by diesel
                                                                                                                                                                  We had nothing but increase in sales since the switch to NATS and all our partners I talk with say the same.
                                                                                                                                                                  You know what is funny? Every program owner says their sales increased with the switch to NATS, and every affiliate says that the sales have decreased.

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                                                                                                                                                                    • he-fox
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                                                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2006
                                                                                                                                                                      • 2884
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      hmmm...this thread raised my curiosity. I will restart promoting FlashCash to see if there´s any ratio difference from one year ago.

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                                                                                                                                                                        • TMM_John
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                                                                                                                                                                          • May 2004
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                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: all of the "subtle" accusations of shaving. I thought this board had some rules about that? If you have something to say, say it. There is NO shave feature in NATS, never has been, never will be. It is not "impossible" to shave with any software. I've never claimed that with NATS. We simply said we won't have a shave feature and we won't allow it. Which, surprisingly enough was different than the norm when we launched our product. Lets not open that discussion up again tho.

                                                                                                                                                                          Those who love to generate attention for themselves on GFY seem to love to twist words tho. If you think someone is shaving, say something, don't just go around hinting at subtle things to get your sig views.

                                                                                                                                                                          Re: verified signups, we have an update/info about that coming monday.


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                                                                                                                                                                            • TMM_John
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                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by DarkJedi
                                                                                                                                                                              You know what is funny? Every program owner says their sales increased with the switch to NATS, and every affiliate says that the sales have decreased.
                                                                                                                                                                              No, every affiliate does not. Some do. The ones who are going to be loud are the MINORITY who are obviously going to complain where as those who see increases have no incentive to be loud about it.

                                                                                                                                                                              I'm not getting into an argument with the collection of GFY personalities in this thread. If you have an issue, contact us or the program owner. The posting vague accusations is really a waste of my time.


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                                                                                                                                                                                • DarkJedi
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                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by interracialtoons
                                                                                                                                                                                  I no longer give a shit. I've gone back to all my old sponsors that paid and fuck the new shit.
                                                                                                                                                                                  The thing is, i've been with FlashCash for a long time (several years) In the Top 5 webmasters. Things were pretty good. But with the switch to NATS everything went to shit.

                                                                                                                                                                                  I've already redirected half of my traffic someplace else. No i'm thinking about completely dropping them.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Dirty F
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                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by DarkJedi
                                                                                                                                                                                      You know what is funny? Every program owner says their sales increased with the switch to NATS, and every affiliate says that the sales have decreased.
                                                                                                                                                                                      Hey come up with your own shit please.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Dirty F
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                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by PBucksJohn
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: verified signups, we have an update/info about that coming monday.
                                                                                                                                                                                          You cant tell us now?

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • TMM_John
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                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Franck
                                                                                                                                                                                              You cant tell us now?
                                                                                                                                                                                              No. I think that was pretty obvious by me saying Monday.


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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Dirty F
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by PBucksJohn
                                                                                                                                                                                                  No. I think that was pretty obvious by me saying Monday.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  And the reason is?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • TMM_John
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Franck
                                                                                                                                                                                                      And the reason is?
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Because we have it scheduled to be released and announced Monday. I'm not going to sit here and play your games. Have fun annoying the people on here who have time to bother with your bullshit.


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