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  • 4sale
    Registered User
    • Nov 2002
    • 74

    #1

    Mardi Gras 2003 Content Shoot

    I hate to ask, and post this
    But it seems that I could use a little HELP this year.
    To keep this post short I have just added a link with all the info.
    http://www.phuckproductions.com/mardigras2003/


    Thanks In Advance
    PantyPimp
  • xanx
    Confirmed User
    • Apr 2002
    • 3711

    #2
    What kind of license comes with the pictures ?

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    • 4sale
      Registered User
      • Nov 2002
      • 74

      #3
      A standard content license for unlimited domains.
      You can resize, add urls and even make banners from the content
      If you like to see see some more samples
      This site is selling my last years photo shoot
      http://www.zipsets.com

      "This content is exempt from the requirements of 18 usc section 2257
      because it contains no sexually explicit conduct, as defined in 18 usc section 2256"

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      • LiveDose
        Show Yer Tits!
        • Feb 2002
        • 25792

        #4
        Sounds like a nice deal. Get some people from this board to post here for you. I am personally not familiar with you.

        Thanks.

        Scammer Alert: acer19 acer [email protected] [email protected] Money stolen using PayPal

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        • 421Fill
          So Fucking Banned
          • Nov 2001
          • 20659

          #5
          dude, fix the paypal setup.. the url you have it set to went to 404 after I donated... lol.

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          • 4sale
            Registered User
            • Nov 2002
            • 74

            #6
            Sorry that page was 404, but it is now loading up.
            Thanks for the donation, you will love this years stuff.
            You have my word on that

            Need recommendations go to the ars board
            That's where I post alot of stuff at

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            • PeekHoles
              Registered User
              • Jan 2002
              • 1151

              #7
              Panty Pimp is a good guy I use to talk to him a little here and there on ARS boards.

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              • Carlito
                Confirmed User
                • Dec 2001
                • 856

                #8
                Hell yeah, go for the donation - his content is great and i`ll be donating if i get the $$ in paypal on time. It will really be worth it.

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                • Babaganoosh
                  ♥♥♥ Likes Hugs ♥♥♥
                  • Nov 2001
                  • 15841

                  #9
                  Hell, that's a pretty good deal. I'm going to be down there this year, but I sure won't be taking any pictures. For $50 I am definitely in.
                  I like pie.

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                  • BluMedia
                    Confirmed User
                    • Dec 2002
                    • 3973

                    #10
                    Sounds like a great deal. Anyone with gay Mardi Gras content or gay spring break content please email me at [email protected]

                    Thanks,
                    Mark
                    IntenseCash - If you can't convert us then you might want to look for a new job
                    .
                    BrokeStraightBoys.com converting 1:124 stats counted by Nats

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                    • short hairs
                      Registered User
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 19

                      #11
                      I bought his last year's content and it kicks ass. I will donate right now..Pantypimp is truly a trustworthy guy.

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                      • freeadultcontent
                        Confirmed User
                        • Oct 2002
                        • 9976

                        #12
                        Pantypimp is on the up and up, and his content is damn good for public stuff. This is a pretty sweet deal for any that need this type of material.

                        Exclusive Ethnic & Microniche Sites

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                        • Brujah
                          Beer Money Baron
                          • Jan 2001
                          • 22157

                          #13
                          I bought it all last year, looking forward to doing it again this year. Sending the $50 now.

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                          • 4sale
                            Registered User
                            • Nov 2002
                            • 74

                            #14
                            Thanks to those making donations
                            So far were at at $260.00
                            Just $440.00 more to go, and then I will remove the page

                            After the donations are done, the full content CD's will be $149.95
                            so don't miss out on a really early chance at getting them for just $50.00

                            Thanks PantyPimp
                            Last edited by 4sale; 01-08-2003, 04:46 PM.

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                            • UncleJimmy
                              Confirmed User
                              • Sep 2002
                              • 855

                              #15
                              You got my 50 I love that stuff!
                              <a href="http://www.redpartners.com/?r=100278"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><img src="http://britney-spears.blewme.com/wm.gif" width="120" height="60" border="0"></font></a><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Promote the web's hottest adult personals website, <a href="http://www.redpartners.com/?r=100278" target="_blank">Red Personals</a>.</font>

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                              • slyspy
                                Registered User
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 35

                                #16
                                I got his stuff last year as well.. even some amateur pics he had!
                                Was some great stuff.. I just donated!

                                pantypimp have you shot any other amateur stuff?
                                hit me up on icq if you have 15663359

                                btw after I donated, it still goes to the 404 page :P
                                Last edited by slyspy; 01-08-2003, 06:50 PM.


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                                • picindex
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Oct 2002
                                  • 1038

                                  #17
                                  Question for all of you content people:

                                  In public places like this do you need to get the girls your taking pictures of to hand out an ID and sign a release form?
                                  Good Content:

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                                  • Vox
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Mar 2002
                                    • 2710

                                    #18
                                    Sounds good, and some good people vouching for you. You got my contribution.
                                    Social profile assassination for hire

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                                    • BrutalMaster
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Oct 2002
                                      • 256

                                      #19
                                      I assume you are getting model releases for the everyone who appears in the photos, right?

                                      Brutal
                                      "Don't worry, I won't bite...oh, wait a minute, I forgot, yes I will."

                                      www.brutalmaster.com

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                                      • 4sale
                                        Registered User
                                        • Nov 2002
                                        • 74

                                        #20
                                        Ok Guys so far I'm at 480.00
                                        Just need 220.00 more, and then I'll pull down that page.

                                        I'll remove that thankyou 404 page. for the paypal script

                                        To all those that have donated so far.

                                        Thanks PantyPimp
                                        Last edited by 4sale; 01-08-2003, 09:40 PM.

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                                        • 4sale
                                          Registered User
                                          • Nov 2002
                                          • 74

                                          #21
                                          You do not need models releases since it's consider public nudity.
                                          public flashing, check the local laws pretaining to it with the Louisiana bar accos.

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                                          • picindex
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Oct 2002
                                            • 1038

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by 4sale
                                            You do not need models releases since it's consider public nudity.
                                            public flashing, check the local laws pretaining to it with the Louisiana bar accos.
                                            Thanks. That is what I thought....
                                            Good Content:

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                                            • pr0
                                              rockin tha trailerpark
                                              • May 2001
                                              • 23088

                                              #23
                                              I'll probably be going down this year & shooting some content as well, anyone else planning on going? Lets hookup & do some multi-person tag team shoots
                                              __________
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                                              • beemk
                                                CLICK HERE
                                                • Jan 2002
                                                • 20829

                                                #24
                                                hahaha that video is funny when that old dude grabs her tit. so what happens if something happens and you dont take any pics?
                                                I host with Vacares

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                                                • eisbaer
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                  • 184

                                                  #25
                                                  Hi,

                                                  you got my 50$ some minutes ago. I'm also down there at this time with Vanessa(see the sig). I'll make some photos myself but we're on holidays so the fun is on the first place.

                                                  Can anybody tell me if there is something written about this public nudity stuff thing? Some legal writings about it and where I can find it.

                                                  So if somebody wants to meet us contact us at webmaster at vanessamontagne dot com.

                                                  Have fun,

                                                  Eisbaer

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                                                  • 4sale
                                                    Registered User
                                                    • Nov 2002
                                                    • 74

                                                    #26
                                                    Hi Guys
                                                    anybody that wants to hook up and tag team some shoots, that could be a sweet deal.

                                                    I have 2 Bars that I always hang out at in the French Quarter
                                                    Yo Mama's Bar and Grill on Saint Peters Street, and The Dungeon on Toulouse Street. http://www.originaldungeon.com

                                                    If you like to hook up, send me an email, and I'll send you my cell phone number [email protected]

                                                    And if you like I can get you guys some free VIP passes to The Dungeon, that way you won't have to wait in line, and pay that $10.00 cover charge.

                                                    As far as not taking any pics.
                                                    Hell I'll never miss this one great free party

                                                    I was born and raised in The Big Sleazy, so I know the best spots to get those perfect shoots.

                                                    "Just stand under any balcony that's throwing good beads, you'll get about 100 photos and videos in just an hour"

                                                    Ok enough photo secrets.

                                                    So far I'm at 550.00, just need that last 150.00

                                                    Thanks PantyPimp
                                                    Last edited by 4sale; 01-09-2003, 08:03 AM.

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                                                    • cotsios
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Oct 2001
                                                      • 1371

                                                      #27
                                                      Two questions before i donate

                                                      In which place of the world mardigras is and when it starts?
                                                      SIGNATURE FOR SALE - SEND Icq 149389211

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                                                      • picindex
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Oct 2002
                                                        • 1038

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by pr0
                                                        I'll probably be going down this year & shooting some content as well, anyone else planning on going? Lets hookup & do some multi-person tag team shoots
                                                        I think I'm going to go
                                                        Good Content:

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                                                        • 4sale
                                                          Registered User
                                                          • Nov 2002
                                                          • 74

                                                          #29
                                                          It's in New Orleans, Louisiana USA
                                                          It starts on Feb 20th to March 4th 2003
                                                          Mardi Gras Day is March 4th, 2003 "Fat Tuesday"
                                                          Need more info on Mardi Gras http://www.mardigras.com

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                                                          • tical
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Feb 2002
                                                            • 6504

                                                            #30
                                                            Just sent ya $50....

                                                            I'm gonna try and head out there myself... It looks like a blast!
                                                            -jason
                                                            112.020.756

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                                                            • Pipecrew
                                                              Master of Gfy.com
                                                              • Feb 2002
                                                              • 14888

                                                              #31
                                                              I just donated..... So I better get the content

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                                                              • Keev
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • May 2001
                                                                • 5335

                                                                #32
                                                                check your icq
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                                                                • s0laris2
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Jun 2002
                                                                  • 317

                                                                  #33
                                                                  you got my donation

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                                                                  • BrutalMaster
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                                    • 256

                                                                    #34
                                                                    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------You do not need models releases since it's consider public nudity.
                                                                    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                                    That would not prevent someone from sueing you for using their image for profit without a release. These are not 'public personalities' where you might have some defense. These are private individuals and they have a right to the use of their image. Just as importantlyk, anyone in the background of the shot would also have a case.

                                                                    I'm not talking about releases in the sense of age verification, I'm talking about a person's right to the rights to their own image. Just being naked or topless in public does not change that right under copyright laws.

                                                                    Just my

                                                                    Brutal
                                                                    "Don't worry, I won't bite...oh, wait a minute, I forgot, yes I will."

                                                                    www.brutalmaster.com

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                                                                    • BV
                                                                      wtf
                                                                      • Sep 2001
                                                                      • 10914

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by BrutalMaster
                                                                      ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------You do not need models releases since it's consider public nudity.
                                                                      ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                                      That would not prevent someone from sueing you for using their image for profit without a release. These are not 'public personalities' where you might have some defense. These are private individuals and they have a right to the use of their image. Just as importantlyk, anyone in the background of the shot would also have a case.

                                                                      I'm not talking about releases in the sense of age verification, I'm talking about a person's right to the rights to their own image. Just being naked or topless in public does not change that right under copyright laws.

                                                                      Just my

                                                                      Brutal

                                                                      quote from: http://www.webdesk.com/girls-gone-wild/

                                                                      Judge King said, "An individual, minor or not, that goes down into the French Quarter must be aware of what takes place during Mardi Gras. This is a well-publicized event that I think anyone local, and even those outside Louisiana, would know what to expect. It seems to me that there was consent. It appears that they were consenting to this type of behavior. They were consenting to the video and/or photographs that were taking place. It seems they were pretty willing. Certainly, as relates to a cause of action, they did not expect this to be a private matter. Because when you do it [expose your body] on Bourbon Street or in a club and you know there is an individual with a video, certainly you must expect that this is going to be shown all over the place."

                                                                      Commenting on the dismissal of the lawsuit Judge King said, "It is a little mind boggling to think that an individual over the age of, let's say 15, who goes on Bourbon Street and certainly sees this, prior to participating in it, doesn't realize that this [videos] will be all over the country at some point, because people from all over the world come to Mardi Gras and go in the French Quarters."

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                                                                      • VirtuMike
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • May 2002
                                                                        • 2483

                                                                        #36
                                                                        It's in the usage... If you use it in an exploitive way you're gonna get nailed BAD. Arco Media is out $5 million for something similar. It is beyond me how you are offering to sell rights to likeness and publicity of complete strangers to third parties.

                                                                        And if you don't have bankroll (at least 6 figures) stashed away to defend against this you're doing your customers a disservice (they aren't immune to lawsuit due to your work). Not only that, but if you can't defend a big lawsuit you're going to tear down the whole world for everyone. All this over a couple hundred bucks?

                                                                        I strongly advise you to consult your company's lawyer before making this purchase. By using this content you are putting yourself at serious risk (see arco case) and it's WAY more risk than return unless you know what you're doing with it. Good luck.
                                                                        Host it in AMSTERDAM at EUROTIVITY! - We also offer BACKUP SERVICES!

                                                                        XYZZY4L

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                                                                        • Chimper
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Feb 2002
                                                                          • 155

                                                                          #37
                                                                          I will be donating 50 to you as well. Have fun!!

                                                                          Clicked Traffic $3.50/1k
                                                                          Adult Traffic Sales!
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                                                                          • Ludedude
                                                                            Suck it!
                                                                            • Jun 2001
                                                                            • 4432

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Hey dude, hit me up on ICQ 53618488 when you have a minute. Sent you my $50 just have a qucik question.

                                                                            Thanks.

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                                                                            • nobull
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Oct 2002
                                                                              • 1256

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Hey....i just sent you the $50.00 with paypal too....can you drop me an ICQ message at 179419520

                                                                              Thanks!

                                                                              NOREBILLS -- MAKE CASH NOW WITH THE NEWEST IDEA IN ONLINE PORN!

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                                                                              • BrutalMaster
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Oct 2002
                                                                                • 256

                                                                                #40
                                                                                ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                                                Judge King said, "An individual, minor or not, that goes down into the French Quarter must be aware of what takes place during Mardi Gras. This is a well-publicized event that I think anyone local, and even those outside Louisiana, would know what to expect. It seems to me that there was consent. It appears that they were consenting to this type of behavior. They were consenting to the video and/or photographs that were taking place. It seems they were pretty willing. Certainly, as relates to a cause of action, they did not expect this to be a private matter. Because when you do it [expose your body] on Bourbon Street or in a club and you know there is an individual with a video, certainly you must expect that this is going to be shown all over the place."
                                                                                ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                                                There is no question, you can shoot photos and videos of people in the French Quarter, Bourbon Street or any other public place and post them to the Internet or show them on the TV news. As long as it's a public place, they are on public property and you are on public property, no problem. That is well established in law.

                                                                                You can actually stand on the street, take a photo of someone in their house, and use it on the TV news. That is an editorial use of the image and is perfectly legal. Lots of legal precedent.

                                                                                The difference here is selling the image. As soon as you introduce commerce into the equation, the editorial defense is gone (at least provided there is not a newsworthy element). The fact is, selling someone's image to a buyer, and that buyer selling it to a customer, on the 'net or a magazine for an ad for perfume, or anything else is simply not legal.

                                                                                I'm not sure what case the judge in Louisiana was ruling on, but even if it was exactly the situation I just described...that would only apply in Louisiana. So, if you're selling the photo to someone in Louisiana, and they are only going to use it in Louisiana, and it was only viewed by people in Louisiana, they you might have a defense.

                                                                                And even then, it is reasonable to say that people all over the world are likely to see the photo...but it is not reasonable to say that the person taking the photo is selling it to someone who is going to resell it.

                                                                                That is a prescription for a very successful lawsuit.

                                                                                Don't get me wrong, I love Mardi Gras and taking shots of the people there. But I also don't want to see anyone on this board get sued.

                                                                                Brutal
                                                                                "Don't worry, I won't bite...oh, wait a minute, I forgot, yes I will."

                                                                                www.brutalmaster.com

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                                                                                • BrutalMaster
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                                  • 256

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                                                  Judge King said, "An individual, minor or not, that goes down into the French Quarter must be aware of what takes place during Mardi Gras. This is a well-publicized event that I think anyone local, and even those outside Louisiana, would know what to expect. It seems to me that there was consent. It appears that they were consenting to this type of behavior. They were consenting to the video and/or photographs that were taking place. It seems they were pretty willing. Certainly, as relates to a cause of action, they did not expect this to be a private matter. Because when you do it [expose your body] on Bourbon Street or in a club and you know there is an individual with a video, certainly you must expect that this is going to be shown all over the place."
                                                                                  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                                                  There is no question, you can shoot photos and videos of people in the French Quarter, Bourbon Street or any other public place and post them to the Internet or show them on the TV news. As long as it's a public place, they are on public property and you are on public property, no problem. That is well established in law.

                                                                                  You can actually stand on the street, take a photo of someone in their house, and use it on the TV news. That is an editorial use of the image and is perfectly legal. Lots of legal precedent.

                                                                                  The difference here is selling the image. As soon as you introduce commerce into the equation, the editorial defense is gone (at least provided there is not a newsworthy element). The fact is, selling someone's image to a buyer, and that buyer selling it to a customer, on the 'net or a magazine for an ad for perfume, or anything else is simply not legal.

                                                                                  I'm not sure what case the judge in Louisiana was ruling on, but even if it was exactly the situation I just described...that would only apply in Louisiana. So, if you're selling the photo to someone in Louisiana, and they are only going to use it in Louisiana, and it was only viewed by people in Louisiana, they you might have a defense.

                                                                                  And even then, it is reasonable to say that people all over the world are likely to see the photo...but it is not reasonable to say that the person taking the photo is selling it to someone who is going to resell it.

                                                                                  That is a prescription for a very successful lawsuit.

                                                                                  Don't get me wrong, I love Mardi Gras and taking shots of the people there. But I also don't want to see anyone on this board get sued.

                                                                                  Brutal
                                                                                  "Don't worry, I won't bite...oh, wait a minute, I forgot, yes I will."

                                                                                  www.brutalmaster.com

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                                                                                  • BV
                                                                                    wtf
                                                                                    • Sep 2001
                                                                                    • 10914

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by BrutalMaster
                                                                                    is simply not legal.
                                                                                    It is legal. Happens every day. But yes you can still be sued for civil damages and said damages have to be proven in a court of law.

                                                                                    Hence, you can be sued but that doesen't mean that you broke any laws.





                                                                                    IMHO it is a safer than a hard hard core webmaster running the risk with being popped with an obsenity charge, especially sites that display hardcore content with no age verification on tgp's etc...

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                                                                                    • 4sale
                                                                                      Registered User
                                                                                      • Nov 2002
                                                                                      • 74

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Good Morning
                                                                                      Ok I have more then reached the target amount ($790.00)
                                                                                      It seem that I got 4 $50.00 donations while I was asleep.

                                                                                      So thanks to all that have donated
                                                                                      PantyPimp

                                                                                      Ps. Lubedude, nobull I have send and added you to my ICQ

                                                                                      Once again thanks everybody
                                                                                      Without you guys, I would of had to cancel this years shoot
                                                                                      Last edited by 4sale; 01-10-2003, 06:55 AM.

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                                                                                      • 4sale
                                                                                        Registered User
                                                                                        • Nov 2002
                                                                                        • 74

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Ok some of you have have emailed me, and also ICQ me
                                                                                        wanting to know if I would still take donatoins, because you now have money in your paypal accounts

                                                                                        Yes you can, and if you do you will still get the same for your donations.

                                                                                        Now good news for everyone, If I take more then 500 pics, and videos. I usally do.
                                                                                        I will send everyboby what ever I have shot, 500+ pics and videos
                                                                                        Well just call this shoot, "The Webmasters Partnership Shoot"
                                                                                        Now with any extra money, I'm going to stock up on 128 meg smart media cards, and try to get one of those belt worn power packs, That way no need to change those rechargeable batteries every 4 hours, and miss and good pics or videos

                                                                                        Hey any when I start to shoot some real amateur stuff again, you guys will all get a special discount, and first pick of the sets

                                                                                        Well I'll be off and on ICQ, dam 56k modem. Kids need the phone, same with the old ball and chain, so just leave a message, or email me, and I'll get right back to you as soon as I log on again.

                                                                                        Thanks PantyPimp
                                                                                        [email protected]

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                                                                                        • 4sale
                                                                                          Registered User
                                                                                          • Nov 2002
                                                                                          • 74

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Ok and update.
                                                                                          I have ordered (2) 128 meg smart media cards, and am now waiting on a reply back from the company that makes the belt battery packs...They were not in stock
                                                                                          So this means that I will have more then enough cards to hold more then 1000 pics, and videos.

                                                                                          Thanks for all your donations

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                                                                                          • playa
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Feb 2001
                                                                                            • 6432

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            shit i must of missed this thread,,
                                                                                            can i still donate?

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                                                                                            • 4sale
                                                                                              Registered User
                                                                                              • Nov 2002
                                                                                              • 74

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Yea no problem playa
                                                                                              I am using the extra cash to stock up on smart media cards.
                                                                                              I can get about 300 good pics, or 50 videos on a 128 meg smart media card
                                                                                              So the more I can get, The more I can shoot with out having to go back, and upload and then clear the cards for another round.
                                                                                              I rather walk the streets for 12 hours shooting, then having to run back to the apartment to download every 4 hours.

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                                                                                              • playa
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Feb 2001
                                                                                                • 6432

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                nice,, i sent payment

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                                                                                                • BV
                                                                                                  wtf
                                                                                                  • Sep 2001
                                                                                                  • 10914

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by 4sale
                                                                                                  Yea no problem playa
                                                                                                  I am using the extra cash to stock up on smart media cards.
                                                                                                  I can get about 300 good pics, or 50 videos on a 128 meg smart media card
                                                                                                  So the more I can get, The more I can shoot with out having to go back, and upload and then clear the cards for another round.
                                                                                                  I rather walk the streets for 12 hours shooting, then having to run back to the apartment to download every 4 hours.
                                                                                                  your shooting the video on smartmedia with a still camera?

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                                                                                                  • Keev
                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                    • May 2001
                                                                                                    • 5335

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    when you leaving again for this mission ?
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