Cut and Run, the Only Brave Thing to Do... a letter from Michael Moore

[chshkt]

Cut and Run, the Only Brave Thing to Do... a letter from Michael Moore

Sunday, November 26th, 2006

Friends,

Tomorrow marks the day that we will have been in Iraq longer than we were in all of World War II.

That's right. We were able to defeat all of Nazi Germany, Mussolini, and the entire Japanese empire in LESS time than it's taken the world's only superpower to secure the road from the airport to downtown Baghdad.

And we haven't even done THAT. After 1,347 days, in the same time it took us to took us to sweep across North Africa, storm the beaches of Italy, conquer the South Pacific, and liberate all of Western Europe, we cannot, after over 3 and 1/2 years, even take over a single highway and protect ourselves from a homemade device of two tin cans placed in a pothole. No wonder the cab fare from the airport into Baghdad is now running around $35,000 for the 25-minute ride. And that doesn't even include a friggin' helmet.

Is this utter failure the fault of our troops? Hardly. That's because no amount of troops or choppers or democracy shot out of the barrel of a gun is ever going to "win" the war in Iraq. It is a lost war, lost because it never had a right to be won, lost because it was started by men who have never been to war, men who hide behind others sent to fight and die.

Let's listen to what the Iraqi people are saying, according to a recent poll conducted by the University of Maryland:

** 71% of all Iraqis now want the U.S. out of Iraq.

** 61% of all Iraqis SUPPORT insurgent attacks on U.S. troops.

Yes, the vast majority of Iraqi citizens believe that our soldiers should be killed and maimed! So what the hell are we still doing there? Talk about not getting the hint.

There are many ways to liberate a country. Usually the residents of that country rise up and liberate themselves. That's how we did it. You can also do it through nonviolent, mass civil disobedience. That's how India did it. You can get the world to boycott a regime until they are so ostracized they capitulate. That's how South Africa did it. Or you can just wait them out and, sooner or later, the king's legions simply leave (sometimes just because they're too cold). That's how Canada did it.

The one way that DOESN'T work is to invade a country and tell the people, "We are here to liberate you!" -- when they have done NOTHING to liberate themselves. Where were all the suicide bombers when Saddam was oppressing them? Where were the insurgents planting bombs along the roadside as the evildoer Saddam's convoy passed them by? I guess ol' Saddam was a cruel despot -- but not cruel enough for thousands to risk their necks. "Oh no, Mike, they couldn't do that! Saddam would have had them killed!" Really? You don't think King George had any of the colonial insurgents killed? You don't think Patrick Henry or Tom Paine were afraid? That didn't stop them. When tens of thousands aren't willing to shed their own blood to remove a dictator, that should be the first clue that they aren't going to be willing participants when you decide you're going to do the liberating for them.

A country can HELP another people overthrow a tyrant (that's what the French did for us in our revolution), but after you help them, you leave. Immediately. The French didn't stay and tell us how to set up our government. They didn't say, "we're not leaving because we want your natural resources." They left us to our own devices and it took us six years before we had an election. And then we had a bloody civil war. That's what happens, and history is full of these examples. The French didn't say, "Oh, we better stay in America, otherwise they're going to kill each other over that slavery issue!"

The only way a war of liberation has a chance of succeeding is if the oppressed people being liberated have their own citizens behind them -- and a group of Washingtons, Jeffersons, Franklins, Ghandis and Mandellas leading them. Where are these beacons of liberty in Iraq? This is a joke and it's been a joke since the beginning. Yes, the joke's been on us, but with 655,000 Iraqis now dead as a result of our invasion (source: Johns Hopkins University), I guess the cruel joke is on them. At least they've been liberated, permanently.

So I don't want to hear another word about sending more troops (wake up, America, John McCain is bonkers), or "redeploying" them, or waiting four months to begin the "phase-out." There is only one solution and it is this: Leave. Now. Start tonight. Get out of there as fast as we can. As much as people of good heart and conscience don't want to believe this, as much as it kills us to accept defeat, there is nothing we can do to undo the damage we have done. What's happened has happened. If you were to drive drunk down the road and you killed a child, there would be nothing you could do to bring that child back to life. If you invade and destroy a country, plunging it into a civil war, there isn't much you can do 'til the smoke settles and blood is mopped up. Then maybe you can atone for the atrocity you have committed and help the living come back to a better life.

The Soviet Union got out of Afghanistan in 36 weeks. They did so and suffered hardly any losses as they left. They realized the mistake they had made and removed their troops. A civil war ensued. The bad guys won. Later, we overthrew the bad guys and everybody lived happily ever after. See! It all works out in the end!

The responsibility to end this war now falls upon the Democrats. Congress controls the purse strings and the Constitution says only Congress can declare war. Mr. Reid and Ms. Pelosi now hold the power to put an end to this madness. Failure to do so will bring the wrath of the voters. We aren't kidding around, Democrats, and if you don't believe us, just go ahead and continue this war another month. We will fight you harder than we did the Republicans. The opening page of my website has a photo of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, each made up by a collage of photos of the American soldiers who have died in Bush's War. But it is now about to become the Bush/Democratic Party War unless swift action is taken.

This is what we demand:

1. Bring the troops home now. Not six months from now. NOW. Quit looking for a way to win. We can't win. We've lost. Sometimes you lose. This is one of those times. Be brave and admit it.

2. Apologize to our soldiers and make amends. Tell them we are sorry they were used to fight a war that had NOTHING to do with our national security. We must commit to taking care of them so that they suffer as little as possible. The mentally and physically maimed must get the best care and significant financial compensation. The families of the deceased deserve the biggest apology and they must be taken care of for the rest of their lives.

3. We must atone for the atrocity we have perpetuated on the people of Iraq. There are few evils worse than waging a war based on a lie, invading another country because you want what they have buried under the ground. Now many more will die. Their blood is on our hands, regardless for whom we voted. If you pay taxes, you have contributed to the three billion dollars a week now being spent to drive Iraq into the hellhole it's become. When the civil war is over, we will have to help rebuild Iraq. We can receive no redemption until we have atoned.

In closing, there is one final thing I know. We Americans are better than what has been done in our name. A majority of us were upset and angry after 9/11 and we lost our minds. We didn't think straight and we never looked at a map. Because we are kept stupid through our pathetic education system and our lazy media, we knew nothing of history. We didn't know that WE were the ones funding and arming Saddam for many years, including those when he massacred the Kurds. He was our guy. We didn't know what a Sunni or a Shiite was, never even heard the words. Eighty percent of our young adults (according to National Geographic) were not able to find Iraq on the map. Our leaders played off our stupidity, manipulated us with lies, and scared us to death.

But at our core we are a good people. We may be slow learners, but that "Mission Accomplished" banner struck us as odd, and soon we began to ask some questions. Then we began to get smart. By this past November 7th, we got mad and tried to right our wrongs. The majority now know the truth. The majority now feel a deep sadness and guilt and a hope that somehow we can make make it all right again.

Unfortunately, we can't. So we will accept the consequences of our actions and do our best to be there should the Iraqi people ever dare to seek our help in the future. We ask for their forgiveness.

We demand the Democrats listen to us and get out of Iraq now.

Yours,

Michael Moore
www.michaelmoore.com
[email protected]

[ForteCash]

Michael Moore is a fat, disgusting slob and a two faced gun-grabbing fuck

[Nicky]

Originally Posted by ForteCash

Michael Moore is a fat, disgusting slob and a two faced gun-grabbing fuck

He does have some points imo

[ForteCash]

Originally Posted by Nicky

He does have some points imo

So did Hitler, but I wouldn't take his advice on "war"

[pornguy]

He has a few points. but now that BUSH started this way, we can not just leave.

[Martin]

He has a point. The war is lost. Time to go. Really what can you do to win? Nothing. Why stay there and lose more troops while you spend 3BILLION dollars a WEEK...

[jacklaidlaw]

he says america is the worlds only super power my ass china is a super power the americans did not defeat the germans the allies did russia britain and usa anfd a few more this guys talks through his ass

[Lazonby]

You're usually on safe ground doing the exact opposite of what Michael Moore says.

[slapass]

Great letter. Not sure how i feel about making it up to them but would be nice to quit throwing money into the hole.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Lazonby

You're usually on safe ground doing the exact opposite of what Michael Moore says.

That is so silly , he has valid points we are not going to win. just because they volunteered for the army doesnt get the government the right to send them to be slaughtered for nothing. The reason everyone here is so brave with others lives is because they have been asked to sacrifice nothing. Lets see how for the war Sticky is if they are shipping his ass off to Iraq. Moore is right , we didnt go there to help the Iraqi freedom fighters.It all makes no sense they wouldnt rise up against Saddam but have no problem going after the greatest army in the world. HMMMMM maybe they wanted Saddam in power?

[starpimps]

Originally Posted by ForteCash

Michael Moore is a fat, disgusting slob and a two faced gun-grabbing fuck

i agree with you
that fat cunt should be dying from a heart attack soon

[TheDoc]

If he wrote the letter to the gov directly, he wouldn't say we had help.

He would stand strong that "our country" is all powerful (doesn't mater if it isn't), "the country" wins wars (even if it has help but no reason to say that).. "it" may make a bad choice but a group of others can make a correct choice. (democrats ie all of america now)

It's the proper way to get a message across the gov, or to get a gov grant.

[mikiemd101]

Originally Posted by ForteCash

So did Hitler, but I wouldn't take his advice on "war"

if you were a green alien you would look out for all your green aliens. Yes Hitler lost his war but he was looking out for his pride. Michael Moore is just looking out for our brothers,sister,mother and father being killed everyday over oil. I say its a religious war and unless drop a few nukes the war will never change.

[baddog]

I love how he compares the occupation of Iraq with the actual battle time in WWII.

Why does he fail to mention our occupation time after the treaty was signed?

Oh yeah, because then he would have no argument.

[Alex]

He is failing to realize that the U.S is alone in Iraq.

During WW2, We[The U.S] had also had Russia, Britain and France... Well maybe just Russia and Britain.

Originally Posted by baddog

I love how he compares the occupation of Iraq with the actual battle time in WWII.

Why does he fail to mention our occupation time after the treaty was signed?

Oh yeah, because then he would have no argument.

He doesn't let facts get in the way of him trying to get his views across.



He pulled the same sort of shit in Bowling for Columbine when he tried to say that guns were just as plentiful and as easy to get in Canada as they were in the U.S., but we didn't have as much violent crime. (anyone that has tried to legally purchase a handgun in Canada knows what I am talking about)

He does have a valid point this time though. Can't really see things getting much better over there. I could be wrong I guess.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by starpimps

i agree with you
that fat cunt should be dying from a heart attack soon

or perhaps you should go over there and Win the War single handedly Rambo

[tony286]

Originally Posted by baddog

I love how he compares the occupation of Iraq with the actual battle time in WWII.

Why does he fail to mention our occupation time after the treaty was signed?

Oh yeah, because then he would have no argument.

its still a war in iraq people are getting killed everyday, in world war 2 when it was over it was over people werent still getting shot at and blown up.

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by baddog

I love how he compares the occupation of Iraq with the actual battle time in WWII.

Why does he fail to mention our occupation time after the treaty was signed?

Oh yeah, because then he would have no argument.

Hell, aren't we STILL at all the bases we created during WW2?!

[jpwhits]

too fat;didnt read

[baddog]

Originally Posted by tony404

in world war 2 when it was over it was over people werent still getting shot at and blown up.

You really believe that?

Okay, how many Americans were killed in WWII compared to Iraq? Think we will get to anywhere close?

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Peaches

Hell, aren't we STILL at all the bases we created during WW2?!

Pretty much

[sweetcuties]

I got his email earlier, I'm on his mail list

[baddog]

If I wasn't busy I would tear into several idiotic comments in that manifesto, but I have work to do.

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by ForteCash

Michael Moore is a fat, disgusting slob and a two faced gun-grabbing fuck

Says the guy that makes his living by ripping people off with bogus penis enlargement scams.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Alex

He is failing to realize that the U.S is alone in Iraq.

Not True....

Dubya said over and over that it is a Coalition, ( remember, " of the willing " ).

[directfiesta]

Henry Kissinger, Nixon?s main adviser on Vietnam and a long-time Rockefeller protégé, finally said in an interview broadcast Nov. 19 on BBC that a U.S. military victory in Iraq is ?no longer possible.? He had earlier told journalist Bob Woodward, ?Victory is the only viable exit strategy.?

seems in line with this letter ....

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by tony404

HMMMMM maybe they wanted Saddam in power?

Which is why Iran's court sentenced him to death?

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Peaches

Which is why Iran's court sentenced him to death?

They did ??????

Fucking Iranians

[StuartD]

Iraqi liberation....

There's a reason that they called it Operation Iraqi Freedom.

It's because Operation Iraqi Liberation would have been a bit too obvious.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by StuartD

Iraqi liberation....

There's a reason that they called it Operation Iraqi Freedom.

It's because Operation Iraqi Liberation would have been a bit too obvious.

nice.

[notabook]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

They did ??????

Fucking Iranians

[mikiemd101]

A religious war will never end. NEVER

I just watched a great movie called Death of the eletric car. This was a great documentary about how big oil shut down the ev1 eletric car. Go ev1

[ForteCash]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Says the guy that makes his living by ripping people off with bogus penis enlargement scams.

Actually, I used the penis enlargement techniques for a year before I decided to market them, and yes they work. Keep it up and I'll sue your sorry ass, I've done it before and I'll do it again. I don't even care if I lose, I'll do it just to make you spend many g's in court bitch

[Dirty Dane]

Its quite clear that Moore does not know much about history.
Japanese empire was never defeated, they were nuked. It took less time invading Iraq. Half of nazi Germany and Europe was defeated by the russian army. The rest was allied, not US alone.
Anyway, Iraq is about an aftermath problem. Try comparing it with Vietnam instead

[ForteCash]

Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

Its quite clear that Moore does not know much about history.
Japanese empire was never defeated, they were nuked. It took less time invading Iraq. Half of nazi Germany and Europe was defeated by the russian army. The rest was allied, not US alone.
Anyway, Iraq is about an aftermath problem. Try comparing it with Vietnam instead

Very true

[sacX]

Originally Posted by baddog

I love how he compares the occupation of Iraq with the actual battle time in WWII.

Why does he fail to mention our occupation time after the treaty was signed?

Oh yeah, because then he would have no argument.

uh maybe becaues the occupations were peaceful? there was hardly any insurgency to speak of.

[sacX]

Originally Posted by Peaches

Hell, aren't we STILL at all the bases we created during WW2?!

yes, but this is not because of the Germans or the Japanese, it's because of the Soviet Union.

[CDSmith]

Sounds like Moore has another propagandamentary in the works and is now laying the groundwork for promoting it.

Bowling for Bush.

[DateDoc]

59 Lies from Farenheit 911 http://www.davekopel.org/terror/59Deceits.pdf

1. The Gore ?victory? rally isn?t celebrating a Florida win. It was held before the polls had even opened.
2. Like all the other networks, Fox mistakenly said that Gore had won in Florida. The first network to retract the Florida mistake was CBS, not Fox.
3. A 6-month study by a consortium of major newspapers shows that Bush would have won the Florida recount under any of the terms which Gore sought in his lawsuits.
4. Investigation by the Palm Beach Post and others shows that race was not a reason why election officials mistakenly disqualified some voters because they were incorrectly thought to have felony convictions.
5. Bush?s Presidency before 9/11 was not in serious trouble. No commentator said that he looked like a lame-duck president. Congress had passed his #1 bill (the tax cut) and was on the way to passing his #2 bill (the education bill). The scene at the end of the movie in which Bush tells a rich audience, ?I call you my base,? was from an October 2000 charity fund-raiser. Both Gore and Bush spoke at the fund-raiser and, as is the custom at the fund-raiser, made fun of themselves.
6. ?In his first eight months in office before September 11th, George W. Bush was on vacation, according to the Washington Post, forty-two percent of the time.? As the Washington Post reported, the figure includes weekends, and includes time in ?vacation locations? such as Camp David, where Bush was working?as when he met with Tony Blair.
7. In the golf course scene (about the middle of the movie), Bush had just heard about a terrorist attack on Israel. He called the press together to make a quick statement condemning the terrorism against Israel. He was not speaking about attacks on the United States.
8. There is no evidence that Bush did not read the Aug. 6, 2001 Presidential Daily Briefing about al Qaeda.
9. He never claimed that the title?s ?vagueness? was an excuse for not reading it.
10. The Briefing did not say ?said that Osama bin Laden was planning to attack America by hijacking airplanes.? It said that the FBI has ?not been able to corroborate? such a threat.
11. The Saudis left the U.S. only after air travel was opened for the general public.
12. According to Richard Clarke and the September 11 Commission, Clarke personally approved the Saudi departures, and the decision went no higher in the chain of command.
13. Moore lied to a TV reporter in claiming that Fahrenheit discloses Clarke?s decision to the audience. Clarke called the Saudi exit material in Fahrenheit a ?mistake? by Moore.
14. Contrary to what Fahrenheit claims, the September 11 Commission found that many Saudis were asked ?detailed questions? before being allowed to leave.
15. James Bath did not invest bin Laden family money in Bush?s energy company Arbusto. He invested his own money.
16. Bath?s name was blacked-out from an Alabama National Guard record released by the White House?as required by federal law, which prohibits the disclosure of health-related personal information.
17. Prince Bandar has way too much influence on the U.S. government, as Fahrenheit shows, but American coddling of the Saudi tyranny is a long-standing bi-partisan tradition, not a Bush invention.
18. Harken Energy: Bush only sold the stock after company lawyers told him it was OK.
19. The reason that Bush ?beat the rap? was because there was no evidence he had engaged in insider trading.
20. The Carlyle Group is not a Bush playground. Many Bush opponents are investors, including George Soros.
21. The Bush administration dealt Carlyle a huge financial blow by canceling the Crusader, one of the few weapons
cancellations in the Bush administration.
22. The bin Ladens dropped out of Carlyle before the stock sale. Of the 1.4 billion that the Saudis invested in companies with Bush connections, the vast majority of the money was invested in Carlyle before George H.W. Bush joined the firm.
23. Craig Unger claims that the Saudis have $860 billion invested in the U.S. The figure appears in his book House of Bush, House of Saud, but neither of Unger?s cited sources support such a large figure.
24. Moore claims that the Saudis ?own 7% of America.? But even if you believe Unger?s fictitious $860 billion figure, the Saudis own only about 7% of total foreign investment in America, which is over 10 trillion dollars. Only if all of America were owned by foreigners could Moore?s claim be correct.
25. The Saudi embassy does not receive special protection. It is not the only foreign embassy which is guarded by the U.S. Secret Service. An international treaty signed by the U.S. requires the U.S. to protect any embassy which asks for protection.
26. Moore?s insinuation that Bush runs U.S. foreign policy according to Saudi instructions is contradicted by the Afghanistan invasion (which toppled the Taliban regime which the Saudis strongly supported), and by the Iraq War (which the Saudis opposed, in part because Iraqi oil will compete with Saudi oil).
27. As Governor of Texas, Bush never met with Taliban representatives.
28. The proposed Unocal pipeline was supported by the Clinton administration, but Unocal abandoned the pipeline idea in 1998.
29. The new Afghani government has signed a protocol to build a pipeline, but it is an entirely different pipeline, in a location hundreds of miles distant from the Unocal proposal.
30. Construction has not begun on the new pipeline. Although Moore claims that ?Enron stood to benefit? from the pipeline, Enron has never had any participation in either pipeline.
31. The Bush administration did not ?welcome? Taliban diplomats in March 2001, but instead condemned them for failing to hand over Osama bin Laden.
32. Despite Moore?s pose in the movie, he opposed the Afghanistan War, and?in December 2002?claimed that Osama bin Laden might be innocent.
33. In claiming that the Afghanistan invasion was a mere ruse to protect the Saudis, Moore omits the results of liberation in Afghanistan: destruction of al Qaeda training camps, the creation of free elections, more freedom for women, and the homecoming of 1.5 million refugees from the Taliban.
34. The various quotes about Bush administration cooperation with the September 11 Commission have been re-sequenced to create a false impression. In July 2003, Chairman Kean complained about lack of cooperation. In February 2004, Bush said that the White House had given extraordinary cooperation. Kean agreed, and praised the White House for providing ?unprecedented? access.

[Webby]

Looks like Michael typed that in 10 minutes and never reviewed what he had written - he should do well on GFY

OK.. There are "gaps", but he does have a few valid points - plenty of them.

[DateDoc]

and the rest.....

35. John Ashcroft didn?t really lose a Senate election to a ?dead guy.? Mel Carnahan died in a plane crash a few weeks before the election, and the Missouri Governor had promised to appoint Carnahan?s widow Jean Carnahan if voters pulled the lever for Mel Carnahan.
36. The FBI did not ?know? about al Qaeda suspects who were attending flight training schools. The information was never passed above the level of one field office.
37.Ashcroft did not cut overall counter-terrorism funding. He only proposed a one-year cut in a particular program that already had two years of unspent money.
38. Rep. Porter Goss says he has an ?800 number,? and the Fahrenheit caption says ?He?s lying.? Goss does have a toll-free number, although the prefix is 877.
39. Moore say Saddam?s Iraq ?had never murdered a single American citizen.? In fact, Saddam paid for terrorist bombers in Israel who murdered Americans, along with people of other nationalities. Saddam also sheltered the American-kill-ing terrorist Abu Nidal, and the bomb-maker for the 1993 World Trade Center bombings.
40. In addition, Saddam ordered assassination attempts against former President Bush and against U.S. diplomats in the Philippines.
41. Moore claims that the Saddam regime ?never threatened to attack the United States.? In fact, in 1997 the regime publicly ordered: ?American and British interests, embassies, and naval ships in the Arab region should be the targets of military operations and commando attacks by Arab political forces.? On the first anniversary of September 11, Saddam's regime called for suicide attacks on Americans.
42. Moore claims that there was no connection between Iraq and al Qaeda. In fact, there is an extensive record of collaboration although?as the September 11 Commission announced?there is no proof that Saddam participated beforehand in al Qaeda attacks on America.
43. Fahrenheit shows Condoleezza Rice saying, ?Oh, indeed there is a tie between Iraq and what happened on 9/11.? The audience laughs derisively. Here is what Rice really said on Nov. 28, 2003: "Oh, indeed there is a tie between Iraq and what happened on 9/11. It?s not that Saddam Hussein was somehow himself and his regime involved in 9/11, but, if you think about what caused 9/11, it is the rise of ideologies of hatred that lead people to drive airplanes into buildings in New York. This is a great terrorist, international terrorist network that is determined to defeat freedom. It has perverted Islam from a peaceful religion into one in which they call on it for violence. And they?re all linked. And Iraq is a central front because, if and when, and we will, we change the nature of Iraq to a place that is peaceful and democratic and prosperous in the heart of the Middle East, you will begin to change the Middle East...."
44. Moore portrays pre-liberation Iraq as a happy nation of kite-flying and weddings. In fact, a sixth of the population had fled Saddam?s tyranny. The United Nations and Amnesty International condemned ?the systematic, widespread and extremely grave violations of human rights and of international humanitarian law by the Government of Iraq, resulting in an all-pervasive repression and oppression sustained by broad-based discrimination and widespread terror.??
45. The only Iraqi casualties which Moore shows are civilians, although military casualties far outnumbered civilian.
46. When showing pictures of buildings being blown up, Moore does not reveal that many of them were military buildings, and civilians were never allowed anywhere near them.
47. A humorous sequence making fun of tiny countries in the Iraq liberation Coalition does not even mention the major countries in the Coalition, such as the U.K., Australia, Italy, and Japan.

Not a deceit, but mean-spirited and exploitive: The footage of the funeral of U.S. Air Force Maj. Gregory Stone at Arlington National Cemetery appears without his family's permission, and over their vehement objection. Major Stone strongly believed in the Iraq mission, as does his family. The footage of Massachusetts National Guardsman Peter Damon, who is undergoing therapy at Walter Reed Army Medical Center is also used without his permission.
48. Despite Moore?s claims, American media have not been mindlessly supportive of the Iraq war. For example, Peter Jennings has been extremely critical. The evidence that Moore offers to portray Jennings as a war supporter is a clip of Jennings reporting in April 2003 that Saddam?s army had collapsed?which was true.
49. The scene of American soldiers making fun of a man underneath a sheet is not torture of a prisoner of war. They are making fun of a drunk who passed out in the street.
50. Moore reports that Bush proposed closing some Veteran?s hospitals. But he also proposed opening other veteran?s hospitals.
51. Bush once opposed renewing a special bonus of $75/ month for soldiers in ?imminent danger zones.? Moore claims that Bush proposed cutting combat soldiers? pay by 1/3; but a soldier's pay and benefits is over $27,000 per year, even at low enlisted grades.
52. While making false claims about a Bush pay cut, Moore omits the fact that Bush sought and won a 3.7% military pay raise in 2003.
53. Moore claims that only one Congressman has a child in Iraq. Actually, two do. (Democratic Senator Tim Johnson of S.D., and Republican Rep. Duncan Hunter of California.) Also, John Ashcroft has a son on a naval ship in the Persian Gulf.
54. Fahrenheit deceptively cut the footage of Rep. Mark Kennedy to make it look like Kennedy rebuffed Moore?s request to help enlist Congressional children. In fact, Kennedy said it was a good idea, and offered to help.
55. Fahrenheit shows Rep. Michael Castle walking past Moore. But Rep. Castle is childless.
56. Based on Census Bureau data, Congressional families are more likely than other families to have children serving in Iraq.
57. Moore calls Flint, Michigan, ?my hometown.? In fact, he grew up in Davison, a much wealthier and much whiter suburb.
58. In Fahrenheit, Moore pretends to support our troops. But in fact, he supports the enemy in Iraq-the coalition of Saddam loyalists, al Qaeda operatives, and terrorists controlled by Iran or Syria-who are united in their desire to murder Iraqis, and to destroy any possibility of democracy in Iraq. Here is what Moore said on April 14, 2004, about the forces who are killing Americans and trying to impose totalitarian rule on Iraq: ?The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not ?insurgents? or ?terrorists? or ?The Enemy.? They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow?and they will win.? Do you really think that someone who wants Iraq to be ruled by Islamist or Ba?athist tyranny, and who deliberately kills innocent civilians with car bombs, is like the American Minutemen?
59. As reported in the trade journal Screen Daily, affiliates of the Iranian and Syrian-backed terrorist group Hezbollah are promoting Fahrenheit 9/11, and Moore?s Middle East distributor, Front Row, is accepting the terrorist assistance:
?In terms of marketing the film, Front Row is getting a boost from organizations related to Hezbollah which have rung up from Lebanon to ask if there is anything they can do to support the film. And although [Front Row?s Managing Director Giancarlo] Chacra says he and his company feel strongly that Fahrenheit is not anti-American, but anti-Bush, ?we can?t go against these organizations as they could strongly boycott the film in Lebanon and Syria.?? (Nancy Tartaglione, ?Fahrenheit to be first doc released theatrically in Middle East,? Screen Daily.com, June 9, 2004. The story is discussed in Samantha Ellis, ?Fahrenheit 9/11 gets help offer from Hezbollah,? The Guardian (London), June 17, 2004.)
Slate.com (6/24/04) followed up on the story, and reported: ?Gianluca Chacra, the managing director of Front Row Entertainment, the movie?s distributor in the United Arab Emirates, confirms that Lebanese student members of Hezbollah ?have asked us if there?s any way they could support
the film.? Chacra was unfazed, even excited, about their offer. ?Having the support of such an entity in Lebanon is quite significant for that market and not at all controversial. I think it?s quite natural.??
Do you think it?s patriotic to accept help from a terrorist organization which has killed and kidnapped hundreds of Americans, which works with al Qaeda and other terrorists, and which is currently aiding the killing of American soldiers and Iraqi civilians? American patriotism can include presenting
honest arguments against a particular American military policy. Hateriotism is the spreading of vicious lies against American soldiers and in favor of tyrants.
It?s not unpatriotic to criticize a war or particular wartime policies. But how many patriots do you know who take aid from terrorists who kill Americans?
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[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

michael moore is a douchebag. he's making a mint on people's obvious opinions. he never brings anything new to the table, he just points out the obvious. the way he does this isn't even that great, he bends truths, using creative editting to sway the opinion in the favour of his opinion, etc etc. i suppose its all good, you need to have somebody fighting for the good side, but you also need to realize that he uses the same biased tactics the government uses to mislead people at the same time. i just hate that he's making bank off of what he does, and puts on the image that he's some hero fighting back for the little guy. fuck michael moore...

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by BusterPorn

and the rest.....

did you read before cut & paste ....

# 42 & 45 ...

We know where the big lie was ... don't we ????

[marketsmart]

ok... i used to respect mike moore... but he caved to govt pressure and is now trying to revamp himself cause the dems control the house and senate..

i cab ride from the airport to bahgdad is not 35k.. maybe thats what halliburton and the other private contractors charge for a secure escort caravan, but thats not what a cab costs... i know i have friends that work for several anon security firms in iraq and afghanistan...

tell mike moore to take his fat ass over to iraq and film all the atrocities... he has no problem busting into a frotune 500 company, but lets see how he does in the line of fire.. he is a fat fucking pussy and i have lost all respect for him...

i do agree that iraq is a lost cause.. let those filthy fucking sand people have a civil war and kill each other... this is nothing new.. its been going on for hundreds of years, but until the US was involved those stories never got reported...

if tyhere was no oil in iraq or hefty govt contracts available, we would not be there.... war makes the economy strong... war is good business say the republicans...

[Webby]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

did you read before cut & paste ....

# 42 & 45 ...

We know where the big lie was ... don't we ????

Was about to reply.. but ya got there before me

There is rarely any validity in cutting and pasting from websites where there is a clear agenda - this is yet more proof of that. Pointless to even waste time replying.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by baddog

You really believe that?

Okay, how many Americans were killed in WWII compared to Iraq? Think we will get to anywhere close?

So what do we do wait til how many are dead? How would you feel if your kid was there?

[sacX]

Originally Posted by marketsmart

if tyhere was no oil in iraq or hefty govt contracts available, we would not be there.... war makes the economy strong... war is good business say the republicans...

war makes the Chinese economy strong. War is paid for by loans from (mostly) China.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by BusterPorn

59 Lies from Farenheit 911 http://www.davekopel.org/terror/59Deceits.pdf

http://www.opednews.com/wade_071004_deception.htm Daves bullshit is torn apart line by line with real proof. Sheep

[tony286]

Originally Posted by marketsmart

ok... i used to respect mike moore... but he caved to govt pressure and is now trying to revamp himself cause the dems control the house and senate..

i cab ride from the airport to bahgdad is not 35k.. maybe thats what halliburton and the other private contractors charge for a secure escort caravan, but thats not what a cab costs... i know i have friends that work for several anon security firms in iraq and afghanistan...

tell mike moore to take his fat ass over to iraq and film all the atrocities... he has no problem busting into a frotune 500 company, but lets see how he does in the line of fire.. he is a fat fucking pussy and i have lost all respect for him...

i do agree that iraq is a lost cause.. let those filthy fucking sand people have a civil war and kill each other... this is nothing new.. its been going on for hundreds of years, but until the US was involved those stories never got reported...

if tyhere was no oil in iraq or hefty govt contracts available, we would not be there.... war makes the economy strong... war is good business say the republicans...

You know nothing of MicheaL Moore if you watching his old TV show he was shitting on clinton all the time.