Nowhere did I see him deny it either...

And you wouldn't consider 100 joins per day with more than one sponsor big money? I guess based on YOUR words (bold text) that he doesn't consider himself as someone who makes real money either if he doesn't use those tactics since only those who use spamming and spyware do. I suppose you're right, $1M per year is peanuts to most people.

Missie

Missie you dodge the bullet pretty nicely but let me try to enlighten the people who can't see the toilet because of all the shit.

He does not oppose to spyware like you do.
but how do you reach the conclusion:
"This guy admits spamming and using spyware to send his 100 joins per day"

ERRR no he doesn't!

It is not because you interpret it different than I do, it's because you interpret it wrong!

and you say you don't let money signs blind you but you surely let words like spyware blind you....

Missie get a hold of yourself.

At last you say
"Either way, I couldn't care less what this guy does or doesn't do."

If that is what it's about you should have stayed the fuck out of this thread and if you're just saying that to dodge the bullet then you are a silly girl who can't admit SHE was the one blinded by words.

Says who? You? What makes YOU right? And why should I believe YOU? You think you interpret right so everyone else with a different opinion is wrong? What if others, yes like mysellf, are right and YOU are wrong because *I* say so? Where did you see that he doesn't use those methods? Because you KNOW so? hummm....

Really? So because I read it different than you do, I have to stay out of the discussion? Man, you must be a real joy to talk to! Single huh?

Missie

Missie this is getting pathetic

I did not interpreted anything
I just read what it said and it said nothing about him using spyware.
Now that I also know for a fact that he doesn't I find your claim a little funny.

Just say where you find that he use spyware or kindly shut the fuck up.

Dodgin again :)
Can't blaim you though I would too
btw. Talking to you in person, this thing would never had ended up like this because I am sure you don't make empty claims when you stand in front of people and you know people can actually see what you are doing and argue against you.
Here you can just keep writing bullshit and eventually I will stop wasting my time on you.

I feel like answering your question though.
I am not single and I love my girlfriend very much for that matter.

then again she doesn't make false claims all the time, that would might irritate me :)

I find it quite amusing that people seem to think whales are the unicorns of the industry. Some of the folks in this thread would have a heart attack if they knew the volumes that some people push, day in and day out without using any illegal or illicit methods.

It wasn't meant to be funny but I guess you interpreted it your own way. :)

Someone who posts that those who make money in porn is because of spam, spyware and black hat, excuse me for taking it that this was his way of doing business. I personally consider sending 100 joins per day to more than one sponsor as making real money. Maybe it's because I'm the only one in porn who doesn't? Maybe. I don't know.

You know this guy personally? You can see everything he does to send his joins? Do you have access to logs to see where his sales come from? Or did you just take his word that he doesn't use any of these methods?

You have no idea!!!

Missie

No doubt about it and I do believe that. However, they wouldn't come here and post that the only way to make money in porn is to do it with those methods. THAT is my point.

Missie

Whats up.Newbie...I think you need to step out,take a deep breath,rub one out and try again.

don't know if he is scamming or legit, however, most of my big webmasters (whales) don't even post on gfy and the ones that do post have a post count around 100....

post count makes no difference, the higher the post count the more they are most likely wasting time here and not working, just sayin'

:2 cents:

I bet Lars already contacted him by now hahaha

I think I am intitled to interpret it as funny, so may you missie.

What I was angry about was that you just took it as a fact without knowing how he sends traffic and start warning people against him....
People might think that you new something they don't
This is not the case, hence the harsh words about you should stay out of it.

I don't know him personally so I could be tricked. Just talked to him and know what he does, and I know that is not spyware or email spam oriented at all.
I do believe from what I have seen that he should have no trouble sending 100 sales a day.
You could be right and I could be wrong but I just say I judge doing to some extra knowledge and you judge him upon a gut feeling of yours.

Now I speak nicely as I have to get back to work since I am having trouble reaching 100 sales day, probably because I bable and argue in dead conversations over nothing in threads thats really none of my concern.

Messie I am sure you are a nice person, but I just find it wrong of you to accuse him of something you can't proof

I made one mistake in my argument, so I will correct that, I can't bounce for his methods because I haven't seens his logs and blah blah blah.

This was not ment to be in deffence of blackhatter it was ment to be a critique of your post and the way you reach a conclusion.

Over and out.

Actually, Missie, I see where/why you may have interpreted it that way - but his response was to the claim that Blackhat SEO was 'BAD' and he was pointing out (to the gentleman that threw that comment) that the sponsor he was flying in his signature has a lot of traffic from cloaked pages (which is considered, by some, as black hat).

Now, taken in context, his reply back:
I took that as simply stating the facts of the history of this business. Seven to ten years ago, when this business was still in its infancy stage & booming - everyone did anything that was not 'illegal' at the time in order to get greater market share. As they grew into corporations & personal empires were built, laws changed in the US, things changed accordingly and are continuously changing. Not everyone accepts those practices - I agree - but I don't see him stating that spam or spyware are his traffic source or that he agrees with it.


Someone who is planning to de-fraud the sponsor will not want to accept the sponsor deducting chargebacks.

He states his stance on this here:
I don't know who would risk sending him cash via FedEx. I also would highly doubt any bank in the world will not question someone making $3k to $5k daily cash withdrawals from a corporate account. Then again, in this day and age, anything is possible.

**Just wanted to give you my perception of it**

It wasn't a gut feeling at all, it was based on his own words. Big difference. Maybe I did interpret it wrong, and I did say that somewhere in a post, and maybe I didn't.

Normally people who DO use spyware/adware and spam extensively don't openly post it on public discussion boards and rarely, if ever, discuss it with people who don't, especially when they don't even know them. For good reasons. The best con artists are the ones who can fool you, me, and pretty much everyone else.

I wasn't angry at all, not at you or anyone else who "took a shot" at me in this thread. This is the internet where everything is up for our own views and interpretations. It would be boring as hell if we all had the same opinion on everything, wouldn't it? :)

Missie

i never said it was peanuts. maybe its just me but i see nothing wrong with blackhat seo or canspam email advertising. in my opinion at least spyware is in a totally different catagory. i do see something wrong with that. if he is doing that, then yeah then fuck him and anyone willing to work with him but spyware isn't the only way to make good money.

You don't know a lot about porn do you? Teen sites aren't getting signups from pedos :2 cents: There are tons of other niches that have a much much higher crap factor than teen sites, you will find out when you get more active in porn.

i'll tell you the secret: wiki hacks and guestbook spam... that's what i really hate. you could have law problems too! :)

here is a bump for the people clueless about blackhat seo (missie)

blackhat seo has legal tactics involved too thats can get tons of traffic, which have nothing to do with any spyware malware etc

100 blackhat sales :)

nothing to see here people

black hat seo = se spam

Not as clueless as you think. I wasn't talking about BH anyway.

You obviously didn't understand any of my posts.

Missie

Why would a program term him for posting blog comments? Nothing illegal about that.

You're a fucking retard. Look at you talking about this industry like you do something positive for it or something. I could care less if anyone clicks the links in my cigs. Get back to your "work" (aka spamming craigslist and other communities)

spamming craigslist and other communities? WTF!

I dont get inbounds from guestbooks but I have.

wiki hacks what is this nettrust : X

wow this thread is alot of iiiiish

attention!! attention!! it has come to my knowledge I have yet another bridge for sale, I'm sure many of the posters in this thread will be very interested. It's vintage but quite useable, loads of possibilities. Selling it for only 50k, interested parties, pls send offers to [email protected]

And a fucking amen to that, most of the GFY'ers have no fucking clue about how this biz was 6-7 years ago

I dunno why people act as if black hat SEO is somehow illegal or fraud. Umm last time I checked no one told the SE's they had to list any specific sites. Just because they may not like some tatics doesn't mean it's illegal.

The SE aren't god nor johnny law. As long as you arent' miss leading meaning pushing for non-adult keywords and redirecting then I can't see what is so bad about black hat.

It annoys me but it's nothing as bad as spamming e-mails or pushing spyware.

I remember, and it involved email spam and cracked password sites. Babylon X oh yea remember that well.

i dont believe this specially with ur gfy post count.... heehehe

being the bold words a KEY in what you say :winkwink: I know how it was even before that, been there, done that. So?

Besides, I'm not concerned at all about blackhat SEO, I don't care about blog spam, personally don't like mail spam but I know for a fact most programs still do that. And I don't like spam because I have had trouble with spammers. Sorry, "mailers", spammers are kinda touchy at this :winkwink:

I do have a problem with spyware assuming he's using spyware

but JUST BECAUSE I KNOW THIS BIZ FROM WAY MORE TIME THAN "6-7 years ago" I know almost ALL the tricks in the book and the behaviors of these "cool people doing nothing wrong".

I know some LEGIT (as in they won't fuck with your business) mailers and believe me they don't need all this, they'll try to get whale bonuses, no sell themselves cheaper. hey, what's a 5-10 dollars a day for a whale bonus multiplied by 100? Only 500-1000 bucks, 15-30k a month, who cares about that? Let's not even start with those paying 45-50 buck PS.

Somebody offered this guy 30 bucks and he's cool with that, when just by waiting 1 or 2 weeks the difference could range between 14 and 30k every 15 days. yeah, he's worried to get paid 3k a day but has no problem in letting go an average of 1-2k a day just to be sure "he will get paid". I know most programs out there will pay that and more and even give him a blowjob, even those programs so worried about spam. And remember, this guy isn't spamming, so why should he be worried?

Of course, do what you want, it's not my money, I couldn't care less.

and for everyone else WITH REFERENCES and knowing what they're talking about capable of sending 50-100 sales a day to a wide range of microniches, as well as a few "mainstream-nish" niches, I'm buying. And I'll even give you a blowjob if needed :winkwink:

n00bieee?

I didnt know most of you all of you had such great morals. What do you guys do at these adult webmaster gatherings? Wear a sign around your neck with a sponsor on it and be an idiot and see how many people you can get to look at yourself? Do you know a sig is representation of you, or a company that YOU say is a good company. I have even tried to help most of you that contacted me.You ask why would you help anyone? Because when someone helps you, you never forget them and you build a strong relationship that lasts. I dont care what you say, you can not stay on top forever, the world does not work that way. I know who helped me on my way up, stayed true, and helped me through the pain of living with ambition.

Happy Thanks Giving

hey man...happy thanks giving to you if it applies:)

im cdn and we already had ours..lol

anyway....im hitting y ou up on icq..hope to speak soon:)

bump for 100 blackhat joins

Silvercash
 

Silvercash is paying 50.00 pps for 30 days.. I would love to get you set up!

FedEx cash? That's a bit worrysome...

Matt