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12clicks

11-19-2006 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 11349264)

That only about 99% of this biz might actually care what you think.

Frankly I find it very refreshing that this issue hasn't just faded off GFY like most issues even if a lot of the threads are just haters using it to get exposure for themselves or their programs. So when someone comes on here and attempts to make it "disappear", it pisses me off.

The reality is that a lot of people still don't know about it or even understand it so it needs to remain in the forefront in order to get the message out to more WMs. Case in point, the new cam site operator that didn't even know about this board and found a thread about it thru google and is now aware and learning about the issue. Not everyone reads GFY.

Anyone who really cared about stopping zango, would not be posting on gfy, they'd be hitting the FTC website.
however, its so much easier to get on the latest GFY bandwagon and seem cool.

TampaToker

11-19-2006 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 11349268)

hahaha, believe me, I've passed over your multiple rants on the subject. its funny your advice doesn't apply to yourself as this is my only thread on the subject.:thumbsup

I dont have a problem with you makein threads like this so continue on. I just gave you a fix for your problem :winkwink:

Martin

11-19-2006 08:17 PM

Will76

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crockett

11-19-2006 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 11348940)

for the sake of argument, shame is always trumped by money. :winkwink:

That's why bringing it up on the forums over and over helps. The more affiliates of AFF/Cams know what is going on, the more that will likely stop sending traffic and move it elsewhere.

Tempest

11-19-2006 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 11349285)

Anyone who really cared about stopping zango, would not be posting on gfy, they'd be hitting the FTC website.
however, its so much easier to get on the latest GFY bandwagon and seem cool.

Really? You mean a person can only do 1 thing and not any others??? Damn.. I'd better cut back on what I'm doing...

Jman	11-19-2006 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 11349285)

Anyone who really cared about stopping zango, would not be posting on gfy, they'd be hitting the FTC website.
however, its so much easier to get on the latest GFY bandwagon and seem cool.

Honestly I think Will did bring awareness but I agree with you, the song remains the same.

Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE

11-19-2006 09:23 PM

totally unrelated to the subject at hand, but 12clicks can you hit me up on ICQ? i got a few questions about your program

SmokeyTheBear

11-19-2006 09:36 PM

as with any other issue , if its still important to people they will still start threads.. no different than any other news.. some will tire of it before others..

Standard internet has a history with "zango-like" products right ? How much money did SI make distributing zango-like products ? so its not suprising its a dead issue to you and not us.. you made money , we lost money :) i'm usually more unhappy when i lose money than when i make it :) no offense

12clicks

11-19-2006 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 11349666)

I've lost more money from adware companies than you've made in the last decade. :) no offense

You've started threads before about SI and history with zango like products only to dissapear when pressed to back up your false claims.

again no offense but if you'd like, I can probably find the threads.:thumbsup

stev0

11-19-2006 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 11349200)

its my turn again appearently.

about 100 threads ago I stated that having dealt with zango in main stream, I would not take it's or any other adware program's traffic.

I just think the dead horse is not only beaten, its no longer interesting.

I thought you ran an adware company?

woj	11-19-2006 10:11 PM

50........

12clicks

11-19-2006 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 11349596)

Really? You mean a person can only do 1 thing and not any others??? Damn.. I'd better cut back on what I'm doing...

does yelling that from the band wagon work?:winkwink:

12clicks

11-19-2006 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stev0 (Post 11349773)

I thought you ran an adware company?

if you get your news from smokey you might think so.:1orglaugh

will76

11-19-2006 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 11348922)

People who go on crusade, generally go because they have nothing else to do.:winkwink:

maybe crusade is the wrong word. I have a million better things to do but when it comes to theft it is hard for me to let it go, continue to let it happen, and just walk away. Even if all i can do is raise awareness (aka bitch) at least I feel like I am doing something.

AFF/LARS tried to make this a Will76 vs. AFF thing. That was their whole approach to try to spin the real issues and through it back on me. You might to take that up with them and all of their friends who are starting post about me trying to discredit me.

Lars made himself the poster boy for zango by the way he has handled all of the constant questions that people have been asking him about it.

nadanada

11-19-2006 10:14 PM

there is more bitching in this thread than all of the will76/lars threads combined.

TheJimmy

11-19-2006 10:18 PM

Congrats to all the winners.

:pimp

12clicks

11-19-2006 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stev0 (Post 11349773)

I thought you ran an adware company?

if you get your news from smokey you might think so.:1orglaugh

advertising.com + spyware = 77,700 results in google.
standardinternet.com + spyware = 299 results in google.
doubleclick.com + spyware = 13,100 results in google.
adsense + spyware = 1,480,000 results in google.:1orglaugh

it gets tiring sometimes but some people just won't admit they were wrong.

12clicks

11-19-2006 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11349790)

Will, you know I have nothing against you but you've made what, 1000 posts to lars one on the subject? not much chance for him to spin, eh?

I just think its pointless and silly to beat the horse. if you had spent this much energy with the ftc, zango might already be in trouble.

will76

11-19-2006 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin (Post 11349315)

Will76

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:helpme

http://www.hoinews.com/uploadedImage...HELP%20YOU.jpg

Cutty

11-19-2006 10:30 PM

Yo let me clear one thing right now you nazi mother fuckers.

Lars is my gay lover and I will not have his name shat on.

LARS TILL THE END!!

VIVA LA LARS VIVA LA LARS!

will76

11-19-2006 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 11349839)

I know you have nothing against me and i appreciate that.

I started off making posts about several of the companies that were using zango. Zango outed AFF, AFF replied admitting they do it and posting a lot of bullshit. I replied to the bullshit and lies they were making. I guess I did it a few times more then others because Lars ignored everyone else bashing them and proceeded to make it personal with me and no one else. From that point on I defended myself from the multiple bullshit posts he was making about me or others that supported him were making about me.

I don't see the FTC doing much especially since they just settled with Zango. Maybe if a religious group with 1000's of their congregation made phones calls and wrote letters, maybe that would get their attention but I don't think a bunch of emails from adult webmasters are going get much of their attention.

I posted somewhere before there are several ways to approach this problem and different people are suited better for different options.

1. Let all adult webmasters know exactly how zango works and encourage them to contact their sponsors to see if they support it and then decide for themselves if they want to do business with that company.
2. Educate the people/sites who are doing the zango installs and let them know how harmfull it is to all of us.
3. Create programs that we can use to try to detect and reroute the people who have zango installed on their pc.
4. Educate the surfers.
5. Try to get new laws passed, let the govt know how we feel.
6. Get help from mainstream since this affects them, and get help from religious groups since what zango is doing is reckless to kids and causes kids to get porn on their pcs.
7. Try to start lawsuits.

there is no one magically answer and some people may be better suited then others for each of the options above.

I checked out of curiosity, I started 10 threads specifically about lars/aff over the last 6 weeks about zango. Although there has been a lot of posts made by others about both of us so I know you are seeing a lot of Will76/Lars threads. Personally, I see it as me against scumware, but i guess different people see it different ways.

Tryme

11-19-2006 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WEG Cory (Post 11349101)

One of the things that aggravates me personally is that no matter how many times you state your position, if you were not in the most recent thread condemning Zango, you are assumed to be in support.

The other day when Video Secrets said they were against Zango, they were commended and a few people posted that they were glad that a ?few companies get it.? I think a couple of people actually stated that only 5 companies were against Zango.

Weg has been against this type of traffic well before Will76 went on this crusade. I hate to break it to everyone, but this is not new. I had a meeting well before the crusades with our CTO and we arranged a plan to try to find out how much it affected us. I have also hit up Smokey and had conversations with him regarding it, I am sure he can verify such.

While I appreciate people trying to better the industry, I do think people need to keep perspective and understand that we all can?t post all day long about the issue. I stated that Weg does not accept Zango traffic and will do what we can to counter it, and as far as I know, well more than 5 affiliate programs reflected the exact same position. But because we aren?t in all the threads, we are somehow supporting it. Because I don?t bash Lars, I support it.

Go back to Will?s original thread and look at all the programs that agreed they do not accept the traffic. I know for fact that before Will ever brought this up, we were discussing the subject privately with other program operators and our affiliates.

Saying you are tired of the threads is not saying you support Zango or any affiliated companies. It is saying you are tired of the threads. Many people knew about all of this before the crusades.

Wegcash as a program has a track record of supporting affiliates. We do not and have never needed a crusade to motivate our decision-making.

And if you take the above statements to be aggressive towards Will, they are not. I appreciate good will as much as anyone. My personal opinion is that the lines are drawn, however, they are just post on a message board and I don?t have to read them; Hence, I don?t care if they are posted all day long or not. However, we should make a better effort to consolidate independent business ideals.

my question is, do you send AFF traffic from your exits, mailers or inside of sides?

Tempest

11-20-2006 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 11349784)

does yelling that from the band wagon work?:winkwink:

In this case it actually appears it is. :winkwink:

SmokeyTheBear

11-20-2006 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 11349771)

I've lost more money from adware companies than you've made in the last decade. :) no offense

I wasnt aware you had read my tax statements lol.

I'm not sure what to think of someone who takes stabs in the dark but your offbase and dont know anything about me or how much money i have made. I wouldn't presume i had lost more than you had made.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 11349771)

You've started threads before about SI and history with zango like products only to dissapear when pressed to back up your false claims.

? whoah there cowboy , i didnt think i was really speaking about anything that wasnt already known.

Did standard internet get paid 1/3 of a million dollars in 2004/2005 to distribute product/adware for a company hit by the ftc for spyware last year ?

SmokeyTheBear

11-20-2006 12:39 AM

the new york attorney general called directrevenue " one of the most elusive internet spyware companies" when he prosecuted them earlier this year and several media outles reported standard internet as a distributor to the tune of 1/3 of a million dollars paid by directrevenue to you.

Its not like im just pulling this info from out of a hat...

But hey im not saying your the devil im just saying from your standpoint it isnt as big of a concern as from others standpoints right..

As long as adult and standard internet are seperate its not my concern though.

SmokeyTheBear

11-20-2006 12:44 AM

p.s. hit me up on icq im gonna try the 12xtrannies in that 404 spot but i wanted to run by where the traffic comes from to see if you still think that would be the best choice.. or if perhaps something else might be better..

Although not exactly my thing theres alot of tranny signups but not a shitload of good tranny sites.. is any of the tranny stuff xclus ?

High Plains Drifter

11-20-2006 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 11350437)

Did standard internet get paid 1/3 of a million dollars in 2004/2005 to distribute product/adware for a company hit by the ftc for spyware last year ?

$293K, to be exact.

Webby

11-20-2006 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by High Plains Drifter (Post 11350545)

$293K, to be exact.

Why you keep telling all these lies? :1orglaugh

12Clicks don't know the meaning of scumware. He's a very modest "stand up guy" with high moral values and now "running a top notch program" while gritting his teeth because Zango beat him to it :pimp

Pity he's seen enough of Will76/Lars threads - some shit from memory lane ya just got to live with :thumbsup

en21	11-20-2006 04:25 AM

can't agree more... getting sick of it now

12clicks

11-20-2006 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 11350437)

Did standard internet get paid 1/3 of a million dollars in 2004/2005 to distribute product/adware for a company hit by the ftc for spyware last year ?

nope. we were paid considerably less for showing advertising just as we did with probably 50 other companies in that time period.
Just as probably 50 other advertisng companies ran DR ads.

Just as you want to take exception over me not seeing your tax return, I take exception with your lack of knowledge regarding mainstream advertising.

Manowar

11-20-2006 08:13 AM

this drama has gone on forever

StuartD

11-20-2006 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 11349285)

Anyone who really cared about stopping zango, would not be posting on gfy, they'd be hitting the FTC website.
however, its so much easier to get on the latest GFY bandwagon and seem cool.

That's what I've been saying... see, you and I don't think so differently after all :upsidedow

DWB	11-20-2006 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace (Post 11349106)

while I think you are totally right, I think your digs on tony are unnecessary

tony and his wife have all but made the BBW niche their own, mandy is one of the most famous and best retaining bbw sites on the net...they both know what they are doing and probably have more retaining members than any 12x site you own.

tony is a intelligent and very well rounded member of the adult community, and you speak to him like he has done nothing and can't generate revenue in the adult internet industry....if you are going to dig on someone, at least do a little research first

:thumbsup Well said.

SmokeyTheBear

11-20-2006 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 11351907)

Like i said i wasnt stirring shit i was making a point about how from your perspective , its not hugely suprising your sick of hearing about it..

I dont take exception to you seeing my tax return , i am just suprised you would "presume" my tax return based on nothing . I wouldnt "presume" to know how much you made from DR , i read an EXACT number , i'm not saying it was correct just saying it was reported that they paid you 1/3 million.

Do you see a slight difference ? My tax return wasnt reported in the media , the amout DR paid you was.. Thus presuming something from nothing is different than repeating a figure reported in the media

I bow to your knowledge of mainstream advertising. something i dont have huge experience in.

But back to the point . Most of the people in this thead .and those who have started zango/will76 threads ( thread topic ) , were NOT paid 1/3 million dollars from zango/dr/etc so from our perspective, its a problem. If we all were paid 1/3 of a million dollars from zango we wouldnt start any threads about it.. ( just my theory though i could be wrong :winkwink: )

Peaches

11-20-2006 10:28 AM

Smokey - look at it this way, Cory has admitted WEG came to you for advice on how to deal with Zango. They didn't go to 12Clicks ;)

Peaches

11-20-2006 10:37 AM

Though to think about it, since 12Clicks made money off a similar program, WEG probably DID talk to 12Clicks about it too. :)

thehand

11-20-2006 11:16 AM

[QUOTE=WEG Cory;11349101]One of the things that aggravates me personally is that no matter how many times you state your position, if you were not in the most recent thread condemning Zango, you are assumed to be in support.

The other day when Video Secrets said they were against Zango, they were commended and a few people posted that they were glad that a ?few companies get it.? I think a couple of people actually stated that only 5 companies were against Zango./QUOTE]

Just to clarify ,our post was about a month ago, not the other day.
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=670592

Cory W

11-20-2006 11:19 AM

[QUOTE=thehand;11353241]

Quote:

Originally Posted by WEG Cory (Post 11349101)

The point still remains. It isn't aggressive against you, I am simply saying that if you don't stay on the boards, people forget.

We are in the same boat.

thehand

11-20-2006 11:23 AM

Yea no doubt!:thumbsup

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11-20-2006 11:25 AM

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