pufy,are you saying that you made 4 test orders and only 1 of them showed up as a sale? If that's true, it's huge news.

I'm not an native english speaker..:)..sorry about my mistakes or anything else..
also, yes, i hav ethe same opinion like you that fleshlight is really a damn good product..just taht i dont like their explicatins..:)..
and i was intregued about taht guy that changed his opinions in this strange way..
wish you all a good day..and keep up promoting fleshlight products..eventually money will come..;)..

That's how I read it... I may have to consider doing some tests myself.

Avg for the last 3 months 1 in 600. Made over $16K with these guys in 3 months.

I think it's a great additional income source.

1:3458


I pulled them a few months ago, but that is what my ratio was.

Thats a combo of blog traffic, and search engine/hardlink clicked traffic.


shitty.

Primarily upsells in members areas??

The problem is there is room for shaving.

Your sales dont show up until the item is shipped, so if they ship the item and dont update it in NATS then bam you got shaved.

I wish they'd just pay me for the 3 or 4 sales I made so that I could just forget about them.

0:12 - but we just started promoing them.

Not pushing them, but have an account and a banner somewhere lol

0:240

1:453 since new program. I think it was better with the older program but the stats we're not as clear as the new nats ones so can't say for sure...

We do not like to air dirty laundry, and will only reply to specifics if push comes to shove. You and I both know that the switch to NATS was not the primary reason for your drop in sales. You were breaking our terms of service, and I believe we both came to an amicable solution, when I had every right to cut you off completely.

I find it funny that after the entire situation, you have the nerve to try and accuse US of shaving. We have never denied that NATS was a far from seamless migration (because NATS was not originally designed for tangible products), but both NATS and Fleshlight feel that everything is stable and accurate... and has been for some time.

As I have stated several times now:

If ANYONE has any problems with Fleshlight, please contact anyone here at Fleshlight, and we will be MORE than happy to address your issues on a personal basis. You can even call us (888)804-4453

CT
ICQ: 34416048
[email protected]

Josh
ICQ: 345334957
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I would like to see for you to create some quality picture FHG's where "couples" use the fleshlight while they make out. I saw such a gallery where Raven Riley used one, it was a nice change to see something like this and I'm sure it would wake up the curiousity of many surfers who don't know what a fleshlight is even today and help to boost sales.

Not to hijack, but other products are currently getting far better press than the Fleshlight, and some of you may want to capitalize on that (i.e. Maxim). Feel free to contact me if you'd like me to elaborate, contact details are in my profile.

Fleshlight has been a tried-and-true for awhile, but I'm inclined to believe based on my personal research that the product may be going stale due to quality and saturation concerns.

Sorry for the double post. Info is in signature.

I would love for you to say which products you are talking about. You said it right when you stated "Fleshlight has been a tried-and-true for awhile" but you couldn't be more wrong by stating that Fleshlight has quality or saturation issues. To elaborate even further, we are the #1 selling male sex toy because we pride ourselves on making a quality product that once purchased and used, gives the consumer a feeling that they didn't overpay for a cheap, non-quality knock off. One of the best things about working for this company is that I am VERY proud of our product and I can honestly say I've never had somebody see/use our product and not be amazed. It is a good feeling at the end of the day to actually be able to stand behind what you work so hard for and trust me, Fleshlight is still in the baby stages as far as marketing/saturation is concerned. :)

Every sponsor I ever promoted had the same affect when switching from CCbill to NATS. Sales down the tube.

I don't have a explanation for it; those are just the plain facts without interpretation.

We have some picture sets from these videos:

http://www.fleshlight.com/main/mov/anna/
http://www.fleshlight.com/main/mov/kristi/
http://www.fleshlight.com/main/mov/julia/

We do have quite a few FHG's with other Fleshlight picture sets.

We have a bunch more new stuff coming out soon...

Why would you take a successful program and change it to where affiliates needed to update their links?

Why is using NATS so "worth it" that you would risk affiliates not being happy and quitting your program?

There is a maxim article I am referencing but alas I cannot post the URL until I have around 20 more posts under my belt. I will do so ASAP however.

I am of course not saying that they are scientific minds, but you all know as well as I that people take things they read even in entertainment-only magazines fairly seriously.

Hopefully you can cite 10 articles to my 1 that support your product, I'm simply providing one possibility that might explain poor ratios, if those are in fact happening to others.

If anyone has a problem with a sponsor post the fucking shit here so I can read it.

Most webmasters contact the sponsor before posting so if the webmaster still wants to post then the sponsor blew the opportunity to resovle the issue when contacted.

100.............

Noone had to change their links, the old links still work to this day.

As far as the switch to NATS... we were trying to make affiliates happy. We sent out an evalutation to our affiliates asking for their feedback, and they all complained about the affiliate backend. So, we did some research and went with NATS based on their reputation for being a sought after system by affiliates. The only thing that we didnt anticipate was the problems we ran into after we launched, and both NATS and Fleshlight worked overtime to resolve all the issues.

We always encourage feedback and are open to suggestions as we want to make our affiliates happy.

your sig made me hard..so i borrowed it

I completely agree with you IF the webmasters in question DO do come to us first... but honestly it is sad that every sponsor has to hire someone just to monitor the boards due to the overwhelming amount of complaints that never go straight to the company. :2 cents:

Here's an idea: Test your own fucking shit with your own fucking credit card! Catch sponsors that are cheating and revoke their license so people can stop blaming your product for the sleazy-underhanded shit that sponsors do that you don't approve of, or accept the implied accusations that your product is enabling sponsors to fuck webmasters and you don't care.

Hey interracialtoons, hit me up on ICQ...

Post it here my friend.

Post your fucking threats out loud!

The senso lips look good and I think I'll be redirecting my fleshlight traffic to a page with that on it and see how it does. One sale would be better than the last month+ with the current black hole... but why would I use your program, assuming that's what you're working on, as opposed to say pecash. i.e. I just checked and they also have it and it's for less money.

lips2go.com looks nice.

Put back the "orders placed" stats. At least that way I could see if there was some activity or not.

It has to do with how those companies tend to deal with those complaints when they're done in private. The vast majority of times, things are never resolved "well" or quickly by going straight to the sponsor. But post it to the board and things happen damn fast. Don't blame the affiliates for this.

Haha, what threats?? I actually had nothing bad to say at all. I wanted to speak on a more personal level... but obviously that is not your style... so nevermind.

There is a section for "orders place" at the bottom of the stats page.

ah.. never noticed that before... 0 in over a month.. not good.

I completely agree with you. I am not saying that people shouldnt bring issues to the boards. I am only talking about the people that never contact the sponsor about their issues. There have been people that have brought up legitimate issues in the past, when asked to contact us to resolve the issues... we never hear from them. How can we fix the problem???

Well, lets look at the original post:

The post was not made to address an issue. The poster doesn't even know if their is an issue. The poster is only looking to compare "sales notes".

But comparing sales notes is somehow an "attack" on the sponsors if bad news is reported.

This thread was not started as a "put down" of fleshlight.
Other posters with great ratios were free to post how good they were doing but that didn't really happen.

You can't blame the poster for asking a general question when truthful answers by others don't fit into you ideal promotional efforts.

If you can't take a little hit on the chin by an affiliate then maybe your program isn't very strong.

I never dropped a program I was kicking ass with because somebody posted that they couldn't convert with it. So I don't know why sponsors get so uptight about it instead of doing something productive.

My sales are back to normal, in fact more than before. I cannot tell you why. They were lower than average for a couple months, but they are great now.

My biggest complaint before was the shipped/order ratio. They stated that the problem was orders being counter twice in some cases and that was why there was a big difference compared to previous months. True, I cannot compare shipped/ordered now, but my sales now are good. Perhaps the lower sales volume was just that. No underlying reason. It's not like my sales went from 1000 to 600. It was a difference of maybe 20+ those few months.

Make what you can out of this. I can't provide with explanations as to why it was slower and now picked up. Also, they didn't count clicks before, so I can't with little effort compare ratios.

omg... I signed up two weeks ago... anyway, I will give a try to fleshlighcash...

???????????!!!!!!!!
sorry??!!
what exactly terms and conditions i have breaked??!!!
this is the first time when i here this? if necessary i can copy paste the discuttion between us..
DONT EVER TRY AGAIN TO BULLSHIT ME !!!
EVER!

"You and I both know that the switch to NATS was not the primary reason for your drop in sales. "

maybe you can tell me also what is the primary reason becouse it seems that is clueless for me...becouse i still dont understand/know why sales are so low..and why conversion is so bad..and not only to me..read the damn topic and see how many peoples say the same thing about their conversion...please post here the primary reason ..i dont have anything to hide. post it here so everyone can learn from it.. and i presume that the second reason remains the NATS switching decision? becouse this is what i understand from what you say..is good enought taht you admit it..

or do you suggest taht sales dropped becous ei had breaked some terms so you deleted some sales from my affiliate id?? please explain becouse is very confusing..


"You were breaking our terms of service, and I believe we both came to an amicable solution, when I had every right to cut you off completely."

hmm..thats really intresting to hear..tell me please, what terms exactly did i break? and when exactly do we both agreed on a amicable solution??!!! more then that, what exactly it was that solution?!?!! please refresh my memory..


"I find it funny that after the entire situation, you have the nerve to try and accuse US of shaving. "


i dont find it funny..at all..what exactly is the situation that you talk about??! you put it like you have made me a favor or something like taht..please explain this also... more then that... back then you coudnt give me a straight answer..maybe now you can..whatever..like i said..is not funny for me at all....i didnt accused of shaving..i just said about the test i had made..if you jump with such a conclusion then maybe is true..i dunno..but i didnt said it..youve could said what you have told me back then..that it was from the cookies... i dont understand why you dont just explain for everybody how they can make a test order..will be much easier for anyone to test their affiliate link..isnt it right? will not be pretty fair for everyone? you'll not have to explain here how you could "cut me off" but you didnt do it becouse youre such a nice pearson..youve could just cut me off and put here explications that i'm a bad pearson and bad affiliate and you cut me off even if i brought to fleshlight company over 200,000 USD in sales until now...

i'll explain here what is all about with the test orders..becouse it seems taht CT didnt want to explain about this..i also have the history of our discutions ..
everyone read it until the end and think whatever you want to think..for CT..if you think that you should "cut me off" then you can go ahead and be my guest..i'm really tired of talking with you and trying to solve this up without any results...

i have over 2000 sites/webpages/blogs on more then 200 diffrent domains where i promote fleshlight.. i manage them with a custom tool made in house by my programmators..a damn good tool i may say...whatever..i have to tell you this becouse you have to understand that any changes that they asked me to do it i did it in matter of minutes..
so..order links can be changed on the fly in all the sites/pages..so when the first time fleshlight was changed i changed the links also..after taht offcourse that i started to make tests to see if were counted.. in the old affiliate tracking sistem every order use to appear..in the new sistem (NATS) not any order appeared not even 2 weeks..that can be prooved with stats if the stats will not be "lost" like it happen wiht the other old stats...also on GFY can be found some topics regarding this issue back then..
CT told me taht pending orders will not appear becouse NATS sistem didnt had this option...in the mean time this option is available..so i had made another tests..from diffrent webpages..4 test orders..from 4 diffrent webpages..only 1 got counted in pending orders..from 4..i immediatly contacted CT and told him about this..he told me that everything is fine and works great..exactly like now..this was happen couple months ago..dunno what happen now becouse i didnt tried anymore..i dont even care...i'll do a test order later today.....but this guy nerve really irritates me..

if CT will not explain how an easy test order can be made at any time then i'll explain it..

good to hear taht and i'm really happy for you.
still i remember that back then we talked something else..but maybe i'm wrong..whatever..doesnt matter anymore..is good to hear that is ok for you at this moment...
on the other hand i have exactly the same traffic like i use to have..i do have better places in SERPS now thou...so i can say that compared with what sales i use to have for less traffic, even if they didnt had clicks counter - i had a traffic counter so i can compare - now my sales are very bad..and since the initial post from this topic it was related with conversion ratio i posted here..
thats all..
again , i';m glad for oyu and wish oyu the best..