Originally Posted by jayeff (Post 11345669)

I have no idea whether Sleazy believes all of the rubbish he writes or if he does so to press peoples' buttons. He is a fool if he does believe that money makes the man: it simply makes for men who can be extremely embarassing to be around, until they learn otherwise.

He is also wrong in a practical sense that has more relevance to this context. Change in business is indeed driven from the top, but it is often a reaction to an awareness of what customers want. In this regard affiliates are customers and as more sponsors perceive an advantage in promoting themselves as anti-scumware, more affiliates will become aware of the scumware issue and avoid sponsors who do not make such declarations. In particular they will avoid sponsors who align themselves with scumware.

In short, if enough affiliates make enough noise about scumware, they can drive change even though they may have little impact initially on the prime offenders. Business history is littered with once successful companies which acted as if the rules of the marketplace no longer applied to them.

That said, you should not have started this thread.

When you first started posting about scumware, you were performing a service and while doing so would obviously raise your profile, that did not seem to be your intention. Several sponsors were mentioned in your early posts and those posts were written objectively. I even understand why it was easier and made sense to target Lars and his programs: he does maintain a high profile on this board.

But over the past few weeks your posts have become increasingly personal and non-objective. Tactically that is the worst thing you could be doing since it was obvious that those who want to protect the status quo would at some point start attacking you on a personal level. You needed to stay objective, avoiding the language and style which is commonly associated with GFY drama. By reacting to the personal attacks in the way that you have, you are becoming guilty of that of which you are being accused. You are also beginning to cloud the issue as much as your attackers are attempting to and that is playing straight into their hands.

Look on the personal attacks as a sign that your efforts are making an impact. Ignore most of them and the more vitriolic those attacks become, the more objective and respectful your posts should be. More people may reach conclusions from that contrast than from what is actually written.

This issue is not Will76 vs Lars and a lot of people have put time and effort into making that clear. You deserve credit for persisting so that it was taken up more widely. Don't throw all that away by trivialising it down to a series of personal squabbles.

Originally Posted by SleazyDream (Post 11350376)

guess what will76 - it's NEVER been a secret - i think all YOUR posts are worhtless and dont' matter.

I also think EVERY OTHER MEMBER OF THIS BOARD'S posts are worthless and don't matter.


fuck are you ever stupid, have you been living under a rock - I've said that from day one too - 6 years on here telling evering fucking person from ron leve to worthless trolls they're idiots and you STILL DON"T FUCKING GET IT!!


duuuuuuuu

does that make it any clearer

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11350802)

Sorry I just really never noticed you before so I didn't know you were like that :2 cents:

Originally Posted by Jace (Post 11345363)

i matter
I can go buy a meal at a restaurant right now

I am drunk as shit right now

Originally Posted by SleazyDream (Post 11353736)

i did a search and you posted in several dozen of my threads, and have responded to me multiple times on many subjects - you loose credibility every day moron.

your'e a moron and an idiot. total and complete

if you're do a comeback do one with some intelligence PLEASE

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11356416)

Free Drinks for everybody.

Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 11345591)

If Sleazy is nice and cool to 10 people, it's natural that those 10 people are going to be nice and cool with him too. When he's a prick to many others, they're just going to be pricks to him in return. That alone is a valid reason.

Originally Posted by crocop (Post 11356627)

word up ,

Originally Posted by Brujah

If Sleazy is nice and cool to 10 people, it's natural that those 10 people are going to be nice and cool with him too. When he's a prick to many others, they're just going to be pricks to him in return. That alone is a valid reason.