My 2 cents on this Will76 vs. Lars bullshit? - GoFuckYourself.com

xxxjay · 11-17-2006, 12:33 AM

I support Lars.

Not clear enough?

I support Lars.

I?m not even great friends with Lars but I have met him and Sean on a few occasions and find them to be nice, smart, and personable guys -- more than I can say about 90% of the fuckwads in this biz. Lars did what he did, I?m sure he regrets it, and will never do it again. Medley.com has been doing some very aggressive marketing and making some bold moves to get traffic?this may have been a mis-step, but for Christ?s sake YOU GUYS ACT LIKE HE WAS ZANGO's ONLY FUCKING CLIENT!

Will76 on the other hand is a Drama-queen that just tries to feed off negative hysteria. I never even heard of his stupid ass till after I had CRUSHED PIMPDOG. I didn't crush him to create drama, not because it was making any of my business partners happy...it was a matter of real principal for me...he had insulted a friend that just commited suicide...and after it is all over Will76 wants to open it back up ? I guess he could never crush pimpdog so was trying to piggybag my glory to promote his own shit and make himself look holier-than-thou. Fact is, the idiot (ie: will76) fires off accusations at people like me and marc from Hoes.com saying that we are promoting Zango when that is never been the case. Hell, it was so brazen, and stupid, that he actually fooled me for a minute and I had to look at my Statsremote?

Do I see Zango on there?

Nope.

Huh that?s funny?some asshole just tried to drag me on the boards saying that I did. He almost made me believe it. LOL

Will76 is just an ambulance chaser, a wanna be, and a fucking bitch IMO. Lars is way cooler and I?ve made a shitload of money with AFF and will continue to so. All you sheep are give will76 too much credit?will76 is not cool, he's not hip, he's just blinded you guys with schadenfreude...and you bit...

Hook, line, and sinker.

schadenfreude (shädn-froid) - n. Pleasure derived from the misfortunes of others.

chowda · 11-17-2006, 12:36 AM

see sig

jk.. money is money

studiocritic · 11-17-2006, 12:37 AM

if only everyone would focus on their own business model instead of trying to run everyone else's

btw, that wasn't aimed at you, jay.. its my take on the situation as a whole.

TDF · 11-17-2006, 12:38 AM

nigga plz

WWC · 11-17-2006, 12:38 AM

well said....although i dont know who Will76 is but Lars is a cool guy...had dinner and hung out at SmashBucks dinner....

TampaToker · 11-17-2006, 12:39 AM

Jay lol he is jacking your traffic and everyone elses from there websites and you support this? God damn lay off the drugs man..

tony286 · 11-17-2006, 12:41 AM

nice ass kissing thread Jay lol

OY · 11-17-2006, 12:43 AM

Will who?

grumpy · 11-17-2006, 12:43 AM

any company supporting zango are assholes and should be banned from any webmaster activities. Period. To bad to hear you support companies, people who support zango.

xxxjay · 11-17-2006, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by TampaToker

Jay lol he is jacking your traffic and everyone elses from there websites and you support this? God damn lay off the drugs man..

Webby · 11-17-2006, 12:45 AM

News. Crooks can be personable guys - That has nothing to do with any business. For Gawds sake quit evaluating folks on how many drinks ya had with em - I know if I did that, I'd have been ripped off 400 times over.

Cams, Clickcash ad nausea are not the only websites using Zango "shaving tools". If you don't want to be ripped off - stay away and don't deal with scum. It's an easy choice who you choose to do business with. Other than that there is nothing to discuss

xxxjay · 11-17-2006, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by grumpy

any company supporting zango are assholes and should be banned from any webmaster activities. Period. To bad to hear you support companies, people who support zango.

Very George Bush of you. Great role model.

xxxjay · 11-17-2006, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Webby

News. Crooks can be personable guys - That has nothing to do with any business. For Gawds sake quit evaluating folks on how many drinks ya had with em - I know if I did that, I'd have been ripped off 400 times over.

Cams, Clickcash ad nausea are not the only websites using Zango "shaving tools". If you don't want to be ripped off - stay away and don't deal with scum. It's an easy choice who you choose to do business with. Other than that there is nothing to discuss

Show me where they are still doing it.

xxxjay · 11-17-2006, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404

nice ass kissing thread Jay lol

Just because you put a "lol" after everything you say doesn't mean I ain't picking up what you are putting down. nolol

xxxjay · 11-17-2006, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by TampaToker

Jay lol he is jacking your traffic and everyone elses from there websites and you support this? God damn lay off the drugs man..

OK, so now Tampatoker is asking me to lay off the drugs? What is the world coming to?

Nigga please!

tony286 · 11-17-2006, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

Just because you put a "lol" after everything you say doesn't mean I ain't picking up what you are putting down. nolol

I actually chuckled when I wrote it because I thought it was pathetic actually. Shame on you.

Kimo · 11-17-2006, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

Lars did what he did, I?m sure he regrets it, and will never do it again. Medley.com has been doing some very aggressive marketing and making some bold moves to get traffic?this may have been a mis-step, but for Christ?s sake YOU GUYS ACT LIKE HE WAS ZANGO's ONLY FUCKING CLIENT!

Unless I missed something Jay I think he is still doing it. I dont give a fuck about Will, and based on board personalities alone I'd much rather have a drink with Lars then Will.

My concern is that a company as large and powerful as Cams.com and Adult Friend Finder openly admitted right here on GFY that they were supporting Zango.

What the fuck do I know, but I would think Friend Finder and Streamray would want to use their powerful position to set an example for the industry and take a strong stance against adware.

Until reciently it seemed as though most porn sites were rid of the notorious adware and popup zoos, and that was a great step forward for the industry, but now with Zango it is a giant step back.

Again, I dont give two shits about Will, but personally, and I dont think I'm alone here... I'd like to see Lars find a better solution to the adware problem instead of making himself and his company part of the problem.

TampaToker · 11-17-2006, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

OK, so now Tampatoker is asking me to lay off the drugs? What is the world coming to?

Nigga please!

yeah i gotta admit you right there

But in all serious jay this is effecting you and everyone else. I mean if you dont care that this effects your bottom line then so be it. I just wanna know were you stand on the issue. Not who do you like.

will76 · 11-17-2006, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

I support Lars.
Lars did what he did, I?m sure he regrets it, and will never do it again.

Hey Jay he is still doing it

Tryme · 11-17-2006, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by WWC-Raffi

well said....although i dont know who Will76 is but Lars is a cool guy...had dinner and hung out at SmashBucks dinner....

guess we know one more company to avoid.

will76 · 11-17-2006, 12:56 AM

its all about the parties and coolness jay, being in porn is like being a drug dealer and not selling drugs....

of course you support lars he is so much cooler then me.

will76 · 11-17-2006, 12:56 AM

LOL this is offically the " HE MUST BE COOL WE HAD DRINKS THREAD"

LMFAO !!!!

xxxjay · 11-17-2006, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Kimo

Unless I missed something Jay I think he is still doing it. I dont give a fuck about Will, and based on board personalities alone I'd much rather have a drink with Lars then Will.

My concern is that a company as large and powerful as Cams.com and Adult Friend Finder openly admitted right here on GFY that they were supporting Zango.

What the fuck do I know, but I would think Friend Finder and Streamray would want to use their powerful position to set an example for the industry and take a strong stance against adware.

Until reciently it seemed as though most porn sites were rid of the notorious adware and popup zoos, and that was a great step forward for the industry, but now with Zango it is a giant step back.

Again, I dont give two shits about Will, but personally, and I dont think I'm alone here... I'd like to see Lars find a better solution to the adware problem instead of making himself and his company part of the problem.

Although I do not know for sure...I am pretty certian that they are no longer buying traffic from Zango. If that shit has been installed, it's been installed...shame on them.

I do agree with you that Lars is in the perfect position to turn the tide of this and I'm sure that given time and everyone staying off their ass...they will do the right thing.

xxxjay · 11-17-2006, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

Hey Jay he is still doing it

Proof???

tony286 · 11-17-2006, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

Although I do not know for sure...I am pretty certian that they are no longer buying traffic from Zango. If that shit has been installed, it's been installed...shame on them.

I do agree with you that Lars is in the perfect position to turn the tide of this and I'm sure that given time and everyone staying off their ass...they will do the right thing.

I found things dont change if people dont stay on sadly.

L-Pink · 11-17-2006, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Webby

News. Crooks can be personable guys - That has nothing to do with any business. For Gawds sake quit evaluating folks on how many drinks ya had with em - I know if I did that, I'd have been ripped off 400 times over.

Cams, Clickcash ad nausea are not the only websites using "shaving tools". If you don't want to be ripped off - stay away and don't deal with scum. It's an easy choice who you choose to do business with. Other than that there is nothing to discuss

Worth repeating .....

TampaToker · 11-17-2006, 01:03 AM

xxxjay just let me know if you support this whole adware issue or not.

Webby · 11-17-2006, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

Show me where they are still doing it.

Only my

, but I really don't give a shit whether they are "still doing it" or not. They can't be trusted with affiliate traffic - end of story.

BTW... not referring to either Cams or Clickcash in particular, but the largest scammers/shavers ever in this biz have been high profile sponsors who have ripped... hell knows how many millions off affiliate traffic. They are 100 times worse than fraudulent payment processors - and one of the main reasons we don't act as "affiliate fodder" and waste traffic on "programs".

The new "angle" on Zango has reached the stage where they even declare up that folks are being ripped - gimme a break

The net brings out the worst element of the adult biz and oozing with bottom feeders scrambling for a dollar - it's too silly

They'd fuck up a line of candy in a candystore given the chance.

xxxjay · 11-17-2006, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

its all about the parties and coolness jay, being in porn is like being a drug dealer and not selling drugs....

of course you support lars he is so much cooler then me.

No, I mostly think you are an idiot. Don't you have a business to run or do you just want to be the "Zango guy"? Do you do any research before you go wielding accusations? You certianly didn't with Hoes.com and I.

I know what you are doing...it's Marketing 101...the same way pimpdog markets himself, the same way boyalley might market himself, the same way DJa1rk might market himself...except the way you do it is extra lame...you try to come off as some crusader, so guy whose out to help the common webmaster, some goodguy...when all you are is some lame ass webmaster trying to pimp their program by starting beefs with high-profile webmasters.

Like I said...extra lame.

JD · 11-17-2006, 01:06 AM

STFU n00b

will76 · 11-17-2006, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

Proof???

LOL are you serious ? ask ANYONE here even lars.

before you start threads about how cool lars is and he isn't doing it any more and i just some board whore, with no sig mind you, you might want to actually check the accuracy of what you are talking about. Even LArs will tell you he is still using Zango.

Brujah · 11-17-2006, 01:09 AM

Wow.. Jay doesn't keep up much.

Lars admits it in almost every thread. Duh.

Phoenix · 11-17-2006, 01:10 AM

im just going to stay out of other peopls drama from now on

xxxjay · 11-17-2006, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by TampaToker

xxxjay just let me know if you support this whole adware issue or not.

Hell yeah that pisses me off. Now if you can just show me where Lars is the one bidding on my domain and I'll gladly take back this whole post and go after AFF.

xxxjay · 11-17-2006, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

LOL are you serious ? ask ANYONE here even lars.

before you start threads about how cool lars is and he isn't doing it any more and i just some board whore, with no sig mind you, you might want to actually check the accuracy of what you are talking about. Even LArs will tell you he is still using Zango.

URL????????

emthree · 11-17-2006, 01:14 AM

This bullshit is getting out of hand.

xxxjay · 11-17-2006, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

LOL are you serious ? ask ANYONE here even lars.

before you start threads about how cool lars is and he isn't doing it any more and i just some board whore, with no sig mind you, you might want to actually check the accuracy of what you are talking about. Even LArs will tell you he is still using Zango.

Is he their only client? Don't you run a competing site.

will76 · 11-17-2006, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

Is he their only client? Don't you run a competing site.

Jay you just said LArs was cool and you support him and he made a mistake and stopped doing it. You don't even fucking know point 1 about what is going on here.

I am not going to waste my time trying to explain something to someone who obviously doesnt have a clue and doesn't want a clue.

Lars is cool, you support him. we get it.

Doctor Dre · 11-17-2006, 01:19 AM

Lars did what he did, I’m sure he regrets it, and will never do it again.

I don't think he changed anything at all... from what I read he still has everything up.

High Plains Drifter · 11-17-2006, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

Fact is, the idiot (ie: will76) fires off accusations at people like me and marc from Hoes.com saying that we are promoting Zango when that is never been the case.

Huh? Where does it say that?

will76 · 11-17-2006, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by emthree

This bullshit is getting out of hand.

this bullshit has been out of hand for a long time, however from the post I have seen you make it sounds like you are more botherd by these post or think something bad about me, then what scumware is doing to all of us.

Sean · 11-17-2006, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

Jay you just said LArs was cool and you support him and he made a mistake and stopped doing it. You don't even fucking know point 1 about what is going on here.

I am not going to waste my time trying to explain something to someone who obviously doesnt have a clue and doesn't want a clue.

Lars is cool, you support him. we get it.

will, this is still in your sig
"Did you know that ""adware"" is is stealing your traffic and your sales?
Contact your sponsors to make sure they do not support this."

your sponsor is still supporting this?

Sean · 11-17-2006, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

this bullshit has been out of hand for a long time, however from the post I have seen you make it sounds like you are more botherd by these post or think something bad about me, then what scumware is doing to all of us.

will, your sponsor is taking adware traffic

Tryme · 11-17-2006, 01:23 AM

3 cheers for Lars

WWC · 11-17-2006, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Tryme

guess we know one more company to avoid.

Which company?

Penthouse Tony · 11-17-2006, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

LOL this is offically the " HE MUST BE COOL WE HAD DRINKS THREAD"

LMFAO !!!!

I think this is the "HE MUST BE MAKING MONEY WITH AFF" thread.

xxxjay · 11-17-2006, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

Jay you just said LArs was cool and you support him and he made a mistake and stopped doing it. You don't even fucking know point 1 about what is going on here.

I am not going to waste my time trying to explain something to someone who obviously doesnt have a clue and doesn't want a clue.

Lars is cool, you support him. we get it.

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Originally Posted by will76

LOL are you serious ? ask ANYONE here even lars.

before you start threads about how cool lars is and he isn't doing it any more and i just some board whore, with no sig mind you, you might want to actually check the accuracy of what you are talking about. Even LArs will tell you he is still using Zango.

Show me the money will76....show me the money will76!

All's I've seen is you on the board posting a lot of bullshit. I know 1000% that some of the shit you posted was total bullshit because you posted it about me.

I ask for URLs or evidence. You give me nothing.

If you keep repeating the same manta its easy to get the other sheep to believe it. Repeat it often enough, you might believe it yourself.

Brujah · 11-17-2006, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Irish Pimp

will, this is still in your sig
"Did you know that ""adware"" is is stealing your traffic and your sales?
Contact your sponsors to make sure they do not support this."

your sponsor is still supporting this?

Your only argument all day/night is that it's OK to steal and intercept affiliates traffic, because others are doing it? Are you fucking serious?

You're a tool.

lazycash · 11-17-2006, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

Although I do not know for sure...I am pretty certian that they are no longer buying traffic from Zango. If that shit has been installed, it's been installed...shame on them.

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Lars did what he did, I?m sure he regrets it, and will never do it again

Those statements lead me to believe that you don't really understand how Zango works and that you really haven't been reading many of the Zango threads. If you had been reading, you'd know that Lars has brazenly stated on many occasions that he has no qualms about continuing to use Zango as a traffic source while downplaying its negative effects on affiliates and fellow webmasters.

I find it interesting that in the last few days 3 influential people on this board have came out in support of Lars, - Sleazy, BoyAlley and XXXJay. What's interesting is that in all 3 of their posts they displayed a lack of understanding of what is really going on with Zango and how its affecting them now and will affect them in the future. The gist of their posts gave you the feeling that they were siding with Lars based on him being a "well known good guy" and not on the merits of his actions regarding his company's involvement with Zango.

TampaToker · 11-17-2006, 01:26 AM

Jay here you go guy. if you want i can make a video for you if you like. Also on that page i notice you pushing pussycash good choice

11-17-2006, 12:33 AM	#1
xxxjay Tube groupie. Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: LoScandalous, CA Posts: 13,482	My 2 cents on this Will76 vs. Lars bullshit? I support Lars. Not clear enough? I support Lars. I?m not even great friends with Lars but I have met him and Sean on a few occasions and find them to be nice, smart, and personable guys -- more than I can say about 90% of the fuckwads in this biz. Lars did what he did, I?m sure he regrets it, and will never do it again. Medley.com has been doing some very aggressive marketing and making some bold moves to get traffic?this may have been a mis-step, but for Christ?s sake YOU GUYS ACT LIKE HE WAS ZANGO's ONLY FUCKING CLIENT! Will76 on the other hand is a Drama-queen that just tries to feed off negative hysteria. I never even heard of his stupid ass till after I had CRUSHED PIMPDOG. I didn't crush him to create drama, not because it was making any of my business partners happy...it was a matter of real principal for me...he had insulted a friend that just commited suicide...and after it is all over Will76 wants to open it back up ? I guess he could never crush pimpdog so was trying to piggybag my glory to promote his own shit and make himself look holier-than-thou. Fact is, the idiot (ie: will76) fires off accusations at people like me and marc from Hoes.com saying that we are promoting Zango when that is never been the case. Hell, it was so brazen, and stupid, that he actually fooled me for a minute and I had to look at my Statsremote? Do I see Zango on there? Nope. Huh that?s funny?some asshole just tried to drag me on the boards saying that I did. He almost made me believe it. LOL Will76 is just an ambulance chaser, a wanna be, and a fucking bitch IMO. Lars is way cooler and I?ve made a shitload of money with AFF and will continue to so. All you sheep are give will76 too much credit?will76 is not cool, he's not hip, he's just blinded you guys with schadenfreude...and you bit... Hook, line, and sinker. schadenfreude (shädn-froid) - n. Pleasure derived from the misfortunes of others. __________________ http://donttellmehowtoruinmylife.com/ - http://www.jmdigitalmarketing.com/my...s-and-reviews/ - http://www.wouldyouhitit.org - http://shinyobjectreviews.com/

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tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	nice ass kissing thread Jay lol

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Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	News. Crooks can be personable guys - That has nothing to do with any business. For Gawds sake quit evaluating folks on how many drinks ya had with em - I know if I did that, I'd have been ripped off 400 times over. Cams, Clickcash ad nausea are not the only websites using Zango "shaving tools". If you don't want to be ripped off - stay away and don't deal with scum. It's an easy choice who you choose to do business with. Other than that there is nothing to discuss __________________ XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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will76 Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 18,037	its all about the parties and coolness jay, being in porn is like being a drug dealer and not selling drugs.... of course you support lars he is so much cooler then me. __________________ ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com PROGRAM SHIT LIST - DO NOT PROMOTE (click link for gfy thread) FNCash \| Media Revenue

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