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will76 11-17-2006 01:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emthree (Post 11332982)
This bullshit is getting out of hand.

this bullshit has been out of hand for a long time, however from the post I have seen you make it sounds like you are more botherd by these post or think something bad about me, then what scumware is doing to all of us.

Sean 11-17-2006 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11333005)
Jay you just said LArs was cool and you support him and he made a mistake and stopped doing it. You don't even fucking know point 1 about what is going on here.

I am not going to waste my time trying to explain something to someone who obviously doesnt have a clue and doesn't want a clue.

Lars is cool, you support him. we get it.

will, this is still in your sig
"Did you know that ""adware"" is is stealing your traffic and your sales?
Contact your sponsors to make sure they do not support this."

your sponsor is still supporting this?

Sean 11-17-2006 01:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11333021)
this bullshit has been out of hand for a long time, however from the post I have seen you make it sounds like you are more botherd by these post or think something bad about me, then what scumware is doing to all of us.



will, your sponsor is taking adware traffic

Tryme 11-17-2006 01:23 AM

3 cheers for Lars

WWC 11-17-2006 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Tryme (Post 11332874)
guess we know one more company to avoid.

Which company?

Penthouse Tony 11-17-2006 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11332884)
LOL this is offically the " HE MUST BE COOL WE HAD DRINKS THREAD"

LMFAO !!!!

I think this is the "HE MUST BE MAKING MONEY WITH AFF" thread. :upsidedow

xxxjay 11-17-2006 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11333005)
Jay you just said LArs was cool and you support him and he made a mistake and stopped doing it. You don't even fucking know point 1 about what is going on here.

I am not going to waste my time trying to explain something to someone who obviously doesnt have a clue and doesn't want a clue.

Lars is cool, you support him. we get it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11332942)
LOL are you serious ? ask ANYONE here even lars.

before you start threads about how cool lars is and he isn't doing it any more and i just some board whore, with no sig mind you, you might want to actually check the accuracy of what you are talking about. Even LArs will tell you he is still using Zango.

http://www.suburbanperil.com/money.jpg

Show me the money will76....show me the money will76!

All's I've seen is you on the board posting a lot of bullshit. I know 1000% that some of the shit you posted was total bullshit because you posted it about me.

I ask for URLs or evidence. You give me nothing.

If you keep repeating the same manta its easy to get the other sheep to believe it. Repeat it often enough, you might believe it yourself.

Brujah 11-17-2006 01:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irish Pimp (Post 11333024)
will, this is still in your sig
"Did you know that ""adware"" is is stealing your traffic and your sales?
Contact your sponsors to make sure they do not support this."

your sponsor is still supporting this?

Your only argument all day/night is that it's OK to steal and intercept affiliates traffic, because others are doing it? Are you fucking serious?

You're a tool.

lazycash 11-17-2006 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 11332890)
Although I do not know for sure...I am pretty certian that they are no longer buying traffic from Zango. If that shit has been installed, it's been installed...shame on them.

.

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Lars did what he did, I?m sure he regrets it, and will never do it again
Those statements lead me to believe that you don't really understand how Zango works and that you really haven't been reading many of the Zango threads. If you had been reading, you'd know that Lars has brazenly stated on many occasions that he has no qualms about continuing to use Zango as a traffic source while downplaying its negative effects on affiliates and fellow webmasters.

I find it interesting that in the last few days 3 influential people on this board have came out in support of Lars, - Sleazy, BoyAlley and XXXJay. What's interesting is that in all 3 of their posts they displayed a lack of understanding of what is really going on with Zango and how its affecting them now and will affect them in the future. The gist of their posts gave you the feeling that they were siding with Lars based on him being a "well known good guy" and not on the merits of his actions regarding his company's involvement with Zango.

TampaToker 11-17-2006 01:26 AM

Jay here you go guy. if you want i can make a video for you if you like. Also on that page i notice you pushing pussycash good choice:thumbsup


http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/7192/jay2dr1.jpg

will76 11-17-2006 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 11332890)
Although I do not know for sure...I am pretty certian that they are no longer buying traffic from Zango. If that shit has been installed, it's been installed...shame on them.
.


Jay, AFF is not doing the installs. They are buying traffic from other people who are doing the installs, You making it sound like " if it has been installed, then it's been installed" so AFF has stopped but it is still happening because it is has been installed. I know i probably just lost you, sorry, but I think everyone else follows me on this one.

Cliff notes, they don't do installs. They can stop right now if they wanted to and never use zango for their sites again, and sue tomorrow to protect their urls from others using it.

Kimo 11-17-2006 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars (Post 11071505)
AdultFriendFinder from time to time as a small part of its advertising budget places ad buys with companies which some people might call “adware”. Adware is software that is installed on a user’s computer with notice and consent by the user. In some instances such adware will use contextual ads - for example it may scan web pages for references to certain keywords and then pop up relevant ads from its advertisers. Typical keywords for AdultFriendFinder may include “dating” and “friend”. One of the motivating factors in AdultFriendFinder placing such adware ads is to effectively compete in the online dating marketplace - namely if AdultFriendFinder does not place such ads our competitors will make deals with the adware companies to place such ads to our detriment.

It has come to our attention that some affiliates are unhappy about some uncommon and unintended side effects of adware advertising – in some instances the adware will scan a web page and pop up an “in context” AdultFriendFinder ad in a browser window next to an affiliate’s ad for AdultFriendFinder in another browser window. This scenario certainly makes us uncomfortable and creates a catch-22 for us – if we stop buying the contextual adware ads our competitors’ sites will pop up and we may lose sales and if we keep buying adware ads we may find from time to time our ads will pop up near our affiliate’s ads for our sites.

While it is perfectly legal for us to place ads with internet software providers like adware companies, specialized browser providers, and search engines that place our ads near our affiliates ads (for example this happens often with keyword buys on search engines) this notion of the adware ad “collisions” that has recently been raised does make us feel somewhat uncomfortable – in other words we find ourselves sympathetic with those who have not been happy with this bizarre result.

So we decided to look further into the adware issue. While we are at least partially at the mercy of the programmatic techniques of the given adware companies we are already exploring and experimenting with technology solutions to try to figure out ways to reduce the number of “adware collisions”. Our primary method of tracking affiliate traffic is not by using cookies (as has been wrongly suggested on some board postings) but rather by coded URLs – this may have to change. Suffice it to say that for now we appreciate the comments that have been made on the boards to date by our affiliates (yes even the adverse ones) and we will attempt to address this unforeseen consequence of adware ad buys in the near future. If AdultFriendFinder affiliates have any comments or proposed solutions you may e-mail me at lars at legendarylars.com

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=666036

Penthouse Tony 11-17-2006 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sagi_AFF (Post 11333034)
I think this is the "HE MUST BE MAKING MONEY WITH AFF" thread. :upsidedow

Will you should try it. It's not too late.

http://adultfriendfinder.com/go/pa

Brujah 11-17-2006 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 11333037)
http://www.suburbanperil.com/money.jpg

Show me the money will76....show me the money will76!

All's I've seen is you on the board posting a lot of bullshit. I know 1000% that some of the shit you posted was total bullshit because you posted it about me.

I ask for URLs or evidence. You give me nothing.

If you keep repeating the same manta its easy to get the other sheep to believe it. Repeat it often enough, you might believe it yourself.

Jay, you're blind. You only see what you want to see.

You want to think Lars is cool and that they aren't promoting Zango anymore, but he fucking admits he's still doing it all over the board. When you're so blinded that you don't want to see it.. even if it's right in front of your face you aren't going to notice.

Lars has never said he stopped doing it. Did he tell you that? If he did, that would mean he lied to you.

will76 11-17-2006 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WWC-Raffi (Post 11332775)
well said....although i dont know who Will76 is but Lars is a cool guy...had dinner and hung out at SmashBucks dinner....

:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup he is a stand up guy i met him once at a show :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

:pimp

Tryme 11-17-2006 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 11333043)
Those statements lead me to believe that you don't really understand how Zango works and that you really haven't been reading many of the Zango threads. If you had been reading, you'd know that Lars has brazenly stated on many occasions that he has no qualms about continuing to use Zango as a traffic source while downplaying its negative effects on affiliates and fellow webmasters.

I find it interesting that in the last few days 3 influential people on this board have came out in support of Lars, - Sleazy, BoyAlley and XXXJay. What's interesting is that in all 3 of their posts they displayed a lack of understanding of what is really going on with Zango and how its affecting them now and will affect them in the future. The gist of their posts gave you the feeling that they were siding with Lars based on him being a "well known good guy" and not on the merits of his actions regarding his company's involvement with Zango.

well said!

I remember a thread with them talking about it being on Jays site, I could have sworn with a screenshot too.

Jace 11-17-2006 01:30 AM

jay, I hate to say it man, but I agree with others in this thread

you obviously don't understand how zango works, and AFF is still on there BTW

xxxjay 11-17-2006 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TampaToker (Post 11333048)
Jay here you go guy. if you want i can make a video for you if you like. Also on that page i notice you pushing pussycash good choice:thumbsup


http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/7192/jay2dr1.jpg

You know what...I will call Lars tomorrow and get to the bottom of this.

Novel idea. No?

xxxjay 11-17-2006 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace (Post 11333077)
jay, I hate to say it man, but I agree with others in this thread

you obviously don't understand how zango works, and AFF is still on there BTW

How do you know it is not an AFF affiliate? Here, I do agree, if we had an affiliate using Zango to send us traffic we would delete the account without pay. AFF and others should do the same.

TampaToker 11-17-2006 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 11333082)
You know what...I will call Lars tomorrow and get to the bottom of this.

Novel idea. No?

Feel free to hit up on icq if you really wanna find out how all this shit works. Its really fuckin nasty man. I could target every page of yours if i wanted . But this is not just zango there are about 23 other companys doing this as well.

SmokeyTheBear 11-17-2006 01:35 AM

hey i respect lars too , but that doesnt mean just because you like/admire someone doesn't mean they do no wrong.. nor does it make will76 the bad guy for being the one with enough balls to say something about it..

will76 may come off as a bit of a drama queen but sometimes you gotta shout to be heard.. ( obviously at some point its no longer ballsy and just annoying but hey thats just my opinion. )

Do i think lars is the devil for buying into zango ? no
but by the same token i dont think will76 is the devil for making it a crusade for him ..

but screw the drama and lets get back to business .. if this is the new NORM for adult then lets be building some spyware folks..

If anything this zango this is a sounding horn to the adult industry thats its ok to use spyware to promote adult sites... not exactly the trend i wanted to see but i can live with it ..

Tryme 11-17-2006 01:35 AM

Does Jay not care about a 5%+ shave? If not then all sponsors he promotes should do it to him. Why should Aff be the only one to do it.

TampaToker 11-17-2006 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 11333093)
How do you know it is not an AFF affiliate? Here, I do agree, if we had an affiliate using Zango to send us traffic we would delete the account without pay. AFF and others should do the same.


But they are buying the traffic jay lars admits to it. So how are they gonna term a afillate for doing it if they are doing it them selfs

Tryme 11-17-2006 01:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 11333082)
You know what...I will call Lars tomorrow and get to the bottom of this.

Novel idea. No?

I'd Call him now. Why wait? Maybe you'll realize you've been getting fucked hard.

Best thing lars can tell you is, hey sorry bro I won't buy your site anymore.
but thanks for the extra cash.

Kimo 11-17-2006 01:39 AM

Jay the quote and thread I posted shows Lars admitting that it is his company and not an affiliate.

xxxjay 11-17-2006 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tryme (Post 11333100)
Does Jay not care about a 5%+ shave? If not then all sponsors he promotes should do it to him. Why should Aff be the only one to do it.

What the heck is that?

TampaToker 11-17-2006 01:43 AM

also jay that was the first page i clicked on your site. i can go thru you site if you like and see if there is anything else. Not tryin to be a smartass just offering you my help.

lazycash 11-17-2006 01:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 11333093)
How do you know it is not an AFF affiliate? Here, I do agree, if we had an affiliate using Zango to send us traffic we would delete the account without pay. AFF and others should do the same.


Because there's no affiliate link in the popup, its straight from AFF/Cams.com

xxxjay 11-17-2006 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kimo (Post 11333116)
Jay the quote and thread I posted shows Lars admitting that it is his company and not an affiliate.

It's a dog-eat-dog world...

"This scenario certainly makes us uncomfortable and creates a catch-22 for us ? if we stop buying the contextual adware ads our competitors? sites will pop up and we may lose sales and if we keep buying adware ads we may find from time to time our ads will pop up near our affiliate?s ads for our sites"

I'll call him in the morning.

xxxjay 11-17-2006 01:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TampaToker (Post 11333130)
also jay that was the first page i clicked on your site. i can go thru you site if you like and see if there is anything else. Not tryin to be a smartass just offering you my help.

Yeah, please do. It will just give me more ammo for my chat. Check www.xxxpornmovielinks.com also please.

Webby 11-17-2006 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11333060)
:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup he is a stand up guy i met him once at a show :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

:pimp

:winkwink: Shows should be banned - it would keep webmasters from licking ass and being impressed by folks who don't really matter in the first instance - even worse, making business decisions based on the personality bullshit :pimp

Shit.. that crap is depressing and embarassing - awesome how easily impressed folks can be :uhoh

lazycash 11-17-2006 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 11333099)
hey i respect lars too , but that doesnt mean just because you like/admire someone doesn't mean they do no wrong.. nor does it make will76 the bad guy for being the one with enough balls to say something about it..

will76 may come off as a bit of a drama queen but sometimes you gotta shout to be heard.. ( obviously at some point its no longer ballsy and just annoying but hey thats just my opinion. )

Do i think lars is the devil for buying into zango ? no
but by the same token i dont think will76 is the devil for making it a crusade for him ..

but screw the drama and lets get back to business .. if this is the new NORM for adult then lets be building some spyware folks..

If anything this zango this is a sounding horn to the adult industry thats its ok to use spyware to promote adult sites... not exactly the trend i wanted to see but i can live with it ..

Very well put, people want to make this a Lars vs. Will76 thing, and it isn't. Whether you like or dislike Will's methods for calling out something he feels is having a detrimental affect on the adult online industry, the bottom line is the message not the deliverer.

You raise an interesting point Smokey, at what point do others join in and follow Lars simply to offset the perceived competitive advantage he may have in using spyware to promote his programs. If enough programs jump on the bandwagon it could become an acceptable form of promotion. Certainly there are some standard promotion methods being used today, that back in 99 would have been considered risky and unethical.

xxxjay 11-17-2006 01:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 11333099)
hey i respect lars too , but that doesnt mean just because you like/admire someone doesn't mean they do no wrong.. nor does it make will76 the bad guy for being the one with enough balls to say something about it..

will76 may come off as a bit of a drama queen but sometimes you gotta shout to be heard.. ( obviously at some point its no longer ballsy and just annoying but hey thats just my opinion. )

Do i think lars is the devil for buying into zango ? no
but by the same token i dont think will76 is the devil for making it a crusade for him ..

but screw the drama and lets get back to business .. if this is the new NORM for adult then lets be building some spyware folks..

If anything this zango this is a sounding horn to the adult industry thats its ok to use spyware to promote adult sites... not exactly the trend i wanted to see but i can live with it ..

Well if this and the other 10000 Lars / Will / Zabgo / AFF threads prove one thing, it's this...

THERE IS A HELL OF A LOT OF TRAFFIC IN SPYWARE!

Kimo 11-17-2006 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 11333177)
You raise an interesting point Smokey, at what point do others join in and follow Lars simply to offset the perceived competitive advantage he may have in using spyware to promote his programs. If enough programs jump on the bandwagon it could become an acceptable form of promotion. Certainly there are some standard promotion methods being used today, that back in 99 would have been considered risky and unethical.


This is exactly my worry. AFF/CAMS.com need to set an example for the Adult industry and say NO to adware.

Theo 11-17-2006 02:01 AM

the thread with the guy that commited suicide was very sad.

xxxjay 11-17-2006 02:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kimo (Post 11333201)
This is exactly my worry. AFF/CAMS.com need to set an example for the Adult industry and say NO to adware.

I agree with that. After reading the post Lars made I can see his side of it too. Someone else would just get that tarrfic if AFF pull their bids.

I'll call them tomorrow personally and ask them to put down the crack pipe.

TampaToker 11-17-2006 02:04 AM

http://ads.x10.com/?ZzE4T2t3eGNhbS5k...0&keyword=xcam

lol they keep popin up now when i load http://www.jays-xxx-links.com/links/webcams.html


Also to let everyone know the top bidder gets 70% of the popup's the other
30% is sorted out between the rest of the bidders

xxxjay 11-17-2006 02:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TampaToker (Post 11333231)
http://ads.x10.com/?ZzE4T2t3eGNhbS5k...0&keyword=xcam

lol they keep popin up now when i load http://www.jays-xxx-links.com/links/webcams.html


Also to let everyone know the top bidder gets 70% of the popup's the other
30% is sorted out between the rest of the bidders

First, very brave of you to install that shit on your PC.

Second, give me a list of who these companies are.

TampaToker 11-17-2006 02:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 11333244)
First, very brave of you to install that shit on your PC.

Second, give me a list of who these companies are.

Man i been doing screencaps and videos since this all started allmost 2 months ago. I got a shitload of them here from all diffrent companys. There is also stuff going on behind the scenes that im not gonna post about. But this will benifit everyone in the long run. I will do some for you but you gonna have to install this shit yourself. You got like 14k of pages on that website :1orglaugh

Tryme 11-17-2006 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 11333244)
First, very brave of you to install that shit on your PC.

Second, give me a list of who these companies are.

I don't understand why you aren't pissed off, if I lost as much traffic as you have I'd be wanting someone's head.


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