Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 11332890)

Although I do not know for sure...I am pretty certian that they are no longer buying traffic from Zango. If that shit has been installed, it's been installed...shame on them.
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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars (Post 11071505)

AdultFriendFinder from time to time as a small part of its advertising budget places ad buys with companies which some people might call “adware”. Adware is software that is installed on a user’s computer with notice and consent by the user. In some instances such adware will use contextual ads - for example it may scan web pages for references to certain keywords and then pop up relevant ads from its advertisers. Typical keywords for AdultFriendFinder may include “dating” and “friend”. One of the motivating factors in AdultFriendFinder placing such adware ads is to effectively compete in the online dating marketplace - namely if AdultFriendFinder does not place such ads our competitors will make deals with the adware companies to place such ads to our detriment.

It has come to our attention that some affiliates are unhappy about some uncommon and unintended side effects of adware advertising – in some instances the adware will scan a web page and pop up an “in context” AdultFriendFinder ad in a browser window next to an affiliate’s ad for AdultFriendFinder in another browser window. This scenario certainly makes us uncomfortable and creates a catch-22 for us – if we stop buying the contextual adware ads our competitors’ sites will pop up and we may lose sales and if we keep buying adware ads we may find from time to time our ads will pop up near our affiliate’s ads for our sites.

While it is perfectly legal for us to place ads with internet software providers like adware companies, specialized browser providers, and search engines that place our ads near our affiliates ads (for example this happens often with keyword buys on search engines) this notion of the adware ad “collisions” that has recently been raised does make us feel somewhat uncomfortable – in other words we find ourselves sympathetic with those who have not been happy with this bizarre result.

So we decided to look further into the adware issue. While we are at least partially at the mercy of the programmatic techniques of the given adware companies we are already exploring and experimenting with technology solutions to try to figure out ways to reduce the number of “adware collisions”. Our primary method of tracking affiliate traffic is not by using cookies (as has been wrongly suggested on some board postings) but rather by coded URLs – this may have to change. Suffice it to say that for now we appreciate the comments that have been made on the boards to date by our affiliates (yes even the adverse ones) and we will attempt to address this unforeseen consequence of adware ad buys in the near future. If AdultFriendFinder affiliates have any comments or proposed solutions you may e-mail me at lars at legendarylars.com

Originally Posted by Sagi_AFF (Post 11333034)

I think this is the "HE MUST BE MAKING MONEY WITH AFF" thread. :upsidedow

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 11333037)

http://www.suburbanperil.com/money.jpg

Show me the money will76....show me the money will76!

All's I've seen is you on the board posting a lot of bullshit. I know 1000% that some of the shit you posted was total bullshit because you posted it about me.

I ask for URLs or evidence. You give me nothing.

If you keep repeating the same manta its easy to get the other sheep to believe it. Repeat it often enough, you might believe it yourself.

Originally Posted by WWC-Raffi (Post 11332775)

well said....although i dont know who Will76 is but Lars is a cool guy...had dinner and hung out at SmashBucks dinner....

Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 11333043)

Those statements lead me to believe that you don't really understand how Zango works and that you really haven't been reading many of the Zango threads. If you had been reading, you'd know that Lars has brazenly stated on many occasions that he has no qualms about continuing to use Zango as a traffic source while downplaying its negative effects on affiliates and fellow webmasters.

I find it interesting that in the last few days 3 influential people on this board have came out in support of Lars, - Sleazy, BoyAlley and XXXJay. What's interesting is that in all 3 of their posts they displayed a lack of understanding of what is really going on with Zango and how its affecting them now and will affect them in the future. The gist of their posts gave you the feeling that they were siding with Lars based on him being a "well known good guy" and not on the merits of his actions regarding his company's involvement with Zango.

Originally Posted by TampaToker (Post 11333048)

Jay here you go guy. if you want i can make a video for you if you like. Also on that page i notice you pushing pussycash good choice:thumbsup


http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/7192/jay2dr1.jpg

Originally Posted by Jace (Post 11333077)

jay, I hate to say it man, but I agree with others in this thread

you obviously don't understand how zango works, and AFF is still on there BTW

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 11333082)

You know what...I will call Lars tomorrow and get to the bottom of this.

Novel idea. No?

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 11333093)

How do you know it is not an AFF affiliate? Here, I do agree, if we had an affiliate using Zango to send us traffic we would delete the account without pay. AFF and others should do the same.

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 11333082)

You know what...I will call Lars tomorrow and get to the bottom of this.

Novel idea. No?

Originally Posted by Tryme (Post 11333100)

Does Jay not care about a 5%+ shave? If not then all sponsors he promotes should do it to him. Why should Aff be the only one to do it.

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 11333093)

How do you know it is not an AFF affiliate? Here, I do agree, if we had an affiliate using Zango to send us traffic we would delete the account without pay. AFF and others should do the same.

Originally Posted by Kimo (Post 11333116)

Jay the quote and thread I posted shows Lars admitting that it is his company and not an affiliate.

Originally Posted by TampaToker (Post 11333130)

also jay that was the first page i clicked on your site. i can go thru you site if you like and see if there is anything else. Not tryin to be a smartass just offering you my help.

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11333060)

:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup he is a stand up guy i met him once at a show :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

:pimp

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 11333099)

hey i respect lars too , but that doesnt mean just because you like/admire someone doesn't mean they do no wrong.. nor does it make will76 the bad guy for being the one with enough balls to say something about it..

will76 may come off as a bit of a drama queen but sometimes you gotta shout to be heard.. ( obviously at some point its no longer ballsy and just annoying but hey thats just my opinion. )

Do i think lars is the devil for buying into zango ? no
but by the same token i dont think will76 is the devil for making it a crusade for him ..

but screw the drama and lets get back to business .. if this is the new NORM for adult then lets be building some spyware folks..

If anything this zango this is a sounding horn to the adult industry thats its ok to use spyware to promote adult sites... not exactly the trend i wanted to see but i can live with it ..

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 11333099)

hey i respect lars too , but that doesnt mean just because you like/admire someone doesn't mean they do no wrong.. nor does it make will76 the bad guy for being the one with enough balls to say something about it..

will76 may come off as a bit of a drama queen but sometimes you gotta shout to be heard.. ( obviously at some point its no longer ballsy and just annoying but hey thats just my opinion. )

Do i think lars is the devil for buying into zango ? no
but by the same token i dont think will76 is the devil for making it a crusade for him ..

but screw the drama and lets get back to business .. if this is the new NORM for adult then lets be building some spyware folks..

If anything this zango this is a sounding horn to the adult industry thats its ok to use spyware to promote adult sites... not exactly the trend i wanted to see but i can live with it ..

Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 11333177)

You raise an interesting point Smokey, at what point do others join in and follow Lars simply to offset the perceived competitive advantage he may have in using spyware to promote his programs. If enough programs jump on the bandwagon it could become an acceptable form of promotion. Certainly there are some standard promotion methods being used today, that back in 99 would have been considered risky and unethical.

Originally Posted by Kimo (Post 11333201)

This is exactly my worry. AFF/CAMS.com need to set an example for the Adult industry and say NO to adware.

Originally Posted by TampaToker (Post 11333231)

http://ads.x10.com/?ZzE4T2t3eGNhbS5k...0&keyword=xcam

lol they keep popin up now when i load http://www.jays-xxx-links.com/links/webcams.html


Also to let everyone know the top bidder gets 70% of the popup's the other
30% is sorted out between the rest of the bidders

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 11333244)

First, very brave of you to install that shit on your PC.

Second, give me a list of who these companies are.

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 11333244)

First, very brave of you to install that shit on your PC.

Second, give me a list of who these companies are.

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 11333082)

You know what...I will call Lars tomorrow and get to the bottom of this.

Novel idea. No?

Originally Posted by Zuss (Post 11333296)

So basically: LArs is a cool guy..yeah, he is a cool guy and will is not a cool guy..so lars is a pretty cool guy, and because he's such a cool guy, he should be supported. Despite of the fact, that he's stealing affiliate comission.

Idiot.

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 11333082)

You know what...I will call Lars tomorrow and get to the bottom of this.

Originally Posted by SomeCreep (Post 11333360)

Zango is the company everyone should be trying to shut down, not the affiliates and companies using them.

Originally Posted by SomeCreep (Post 11333360)

Lets say it's an AFF affiliate bidding on your site's keywords and you get his account termed. Tomorrow, another affiliate will take his place and bid on the exact same keywords, except this time send the traffic to Clickcash. Then what can you do? Zango is the company everyone should be trying to shut down, not the affiliates and companies using them.

Originally Posted by Daruma (Post 11333329)

jay.... best of luck on your call tomorrow, very interested to see what comes out of it

as you stated to tampa... it takes a lot of balls to install the shit because short of a total re-install its almost impossible to get rid of - that alone should be a reason to really put the brakes on and boycott at all levels any type of use of this traffic...

its kinda like a silent cancer that unless everyone - especially the top companies should set an example of not supporting or accepting any traffic in any way from this type of methods...

it hurts the customers... it hurts the affiliates and in the end hurts consumer and affiliate confidence in the products and programs

Originally Posted by Tryme (Post 11333374)

that might be fine if it was an affiliate, but aff buys a shitload from zango so I tend to think it's them rather then an affiliate.

Originally Posted by SomeCreep (Post 11333360)

Lets say it's an AFF affiliate bidding on your site's keywords and you get his account termed. Tomorrow, another affiliate will take his place and bid on the exact same keywords, except this time send the traffic to Clickcash. Then what can you do? Zango is the company everyone should be trying to shut down, not the affiliates and companies using them.

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 11333392)

Yep and the real tragedy is they will probably lose more money dropping their spyware campaigns than cutting out x number of affiliates that boycott. All of these threads are turning into a big advertisement for zango.

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 11333225)

I agree with that. After reading the post Lars made I can see his side of it too. Someone else would just get that tarrfic if AFF pull their bids.

I'll call them tomorrow personally and ask them to put down the crack pipe.

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 11333037)

http://www.suburbanperil.com/money.jpg

Show me the money will76....show me the money will76!

All's I've seen is you on the board posting a lot of bullshit. I know 1000% that some of the shit you posted was total bullshit because you posted it about me.

I ask for URLs or evidence. You give me nothing.

If you keep repeating the same manta its easy to get the other sheep to believe it. Repeat it often enough, you might believe it yourself.

Originally Posted by XPays (Post 11333400)

Please send us screencaps of what happens over xpays.com and hotelheiress.com and the bid system pricing cart to legal @ xpays


jay- you ever notice your shit just slowdown and you have a few gaps you never had before? your shit is up, your processor and sponsors all work- but.............

this is the story i am hearing. we have an affil who posts here who is seeing it as his competition pop over his site with zango. his domain is in the dating niche and aff is popping over him.

another thing is that zango adds a line to the top of their pop that says the site you were looking for does not function basically. even though your shit is showing in the background - it's too late - impulsive surfers are not as caring as us webmasters with regards to the tracking integrity.

Originally Posted by Martin3 (Post 11333425)

That post from Lars was pure bullshit and PR spin. If they were only bidding on cam traffic that would be one thing. But they're not, they also bid on domain names.
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/9...ookeskyid1.jpg
This is just one of many screens I have from when I tested it a week or so ago.

Originally Posted by TampaToker (Post 11333439)

Ok no one is bidding on your urls. Didnt see any popups either. I will recheck them in the morning.