PAYMONDE - Here is how to get paid by next Monday

[Pleasurepays]

Sorry. You most likely won't get your money because you are retarded. The fact is you deserve to lose your money. You could have used Epoch or CCBill like any competent business person would have, if you had bothered yourself with even the slightest bit of due dilligence. Jesus fucking christ, next you are gonna start posting threads about troubles with the crack head that manages your finances? or the reformed pedo that runs your day care? The Muslim cleric that updates your fisting blog? I mean really? what the fuck is wrong with you people? It's been said that igorance is bliss... but if the crowd here is any indication, it seems that ignorance is an absolute fucking nightmare.

[JD]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

Sorry. You most likely won't get your money because you are retarded. The fact is you deserve to lose your money. You could have used Epoch or CCBill like any competent business person would have, if you had bothered yourself with even the slightest bit of due dilligence. Jesus fucking christ, next you are gonna start posting threads about troubles with the crack head that manages your finances? or the reformed pedo that runs your day care? The Muslim cleric that updates your fisting blog? I mean really? what the fuck is wrong with you people? It's been said that igorance is bliss... but if the crowd here is any indication, it seems that ignorance is an absolute fucking nightmare.

quoted for truth

[Forest]

all you had to do was take a look at how they acted at any shows to know that this was not a bunch to trust your money with

they acted like 12 year olds on crack

[ModelPerfect]

You people make me sick. Fellow webmasters are being hurt, and you're going to attention whore yourself by ragging them? When did we get back into high school?

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by ModelPerfect

You people make me sick. Fellow webmasters are being hurt, and you're going to attention whore yourself by ragging them? When did we get back into high school?

are you serious? dude. i dont know you. i dont care about you. we are not "brothers". we are not fighting side by side against the communists here. we are people who are running a business and competing with each other. we are in a business full of retards and scumbags. this is a business that tolerates and even worships lies and thievery.

people like you make me sick. you are blinded by your ignorant, utopianistic ideas about how you want to seee things and because of that you can't see things for how they are.

announce your intentions to throw yourself in front of a train and see how many "fellow webmasters" go out of their way to save your pathetic life. you'll be lucky if anyone sends flowers to your mom... and even if they did, they would say its a dozen roses, keep 3 and sell them to someone else.

[Cassie]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

are you serious? dude. i dont know you. i dont care about you. we are not "brothers". we are not fighting side by side against the communists here. we are people who are running a business and competing with each other. we are in a business full of retards and scumbags. this is a business that tolerates and even worships lies and thievery.

people like you make me sick. you are blinded by your ignorant, utopianistic ideas about how you want to seee things and because of that you can't see things for how they are.

announce your intentions to throw yourself in front of a train and see how many "fellow webmasters" go out of their way to save your pathetic life. you'll be lucky if anyone sends flowers to your mom... and even if they did, they would say its a dozen roses, keep 3 and sell them to someone else.

um WOW!


and sadly, all of what you posted is the truth.


ok maybe not sadly.........

[ModelPerfect]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

are you serious? dude. i dont know you. i dont care about you. we are not "brothers". we are not fighting side by side against the communists here. we are people who are running a business and competing with each other. we are in a business full of retards and scumbags. this is a business that tolerates and even worships lies and thievery.

people like you make me sick. you are blinded by your ignorant, utopianistic ideas about how you want to seee things and because of that you can't see things for how they are.

announce your intentions to throw yourself in front of a train and see how many "fellow webmasters" go out of their way to save your pathetic life. you'll be lucky if anyone sends flowers to your mom... and even if they did, they would say its a dozen roses, keep 3 and sell them to someone else.

That's a really sad way of looking at things.

And for the record, there's a difference between apathy and malevolence

[4Man]

you said it good

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by ModelPerfect

That's a really sad way of looking at things.

And for the record, there's a difference between apathy and malevolence

darwinism isn't good or bad. it just is.

and it truly does pain me deeply to be the one to inform you that it doesn't look like you will be making the cut.

sucks for, but you can find solace in the fact that its for the greater good. afterall, thats what you're all about right?

[squishypimp]

very true.

[ModelPerfect]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

darwinism isn't good or bad. it just is.

and it truly does pain me deeply to be the one to inform you that it doesn't look like you will be making the cut.

sucks for, but you can find solace in the fact that its for the greater good. afterall, thats what you're all about right?

I'm afraid I don't see it that way. I don't contest that there are a great number of people out there...both in and out of the adult industry...who are exactly as you describe, but why would you want to make yourself just like them?

[BitAudioVideo]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

even if they did, they would say its a dozen roses, keep 3 and sell them to someone else.

lmao - thats just sad =]

[Peaches]

JR is one of the smartest guys I know. This thread proves it.

[directfiesta]

some people used them because they processed TANGIBLES ... but that probably passed way over your bright brain .....

BTW, I didn't use them, but I sympathise for those who did.

[tiffini_titan]

Shitty deal all around for anyone who used them.

[HarlotCash Dyker]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

are you serious? dude. i dont know you. i dont care about you. we are not "brothers". we are not fighting side by side against the communists here. we are people who are running a business and competing with each other. we are in a business full of retards and scumbags. this is a business that tolerates and even worships lies and thievery.

people like you make me sick. you are blinded by your ignorant, utopianistic ideas about how you want to seee things and because of that you can't see things for how they are.

announce your intentions to throw yourself in front of a train and see how many "fellow webmasters" go out of their way to save your pathetic life. you'll be lucky if anyone sends flowers to your mom... and even if they did, they would say its a dozen roses, keep 3 and sell them to someone else.

A lot of brain-work went in to that statement - And very, very true.

[alan-l]

are you aware a lot of people outside US or Europe (and not ALL of Europe) only can use this sort of services instead of Epoch or CCBill? I've never used them, but I can understand people who does. Now, if you're in US... well , you kinda of deserve it

[Xplicit]

I can see where your coming from - I would never use some shit CC processor that no major company is using. Yes, they are stupid for that.

But, to be realistic IBill would have been on your list of legit processors a couple years ago, so really, it could happen to anyone - including you.

Thats why its best not to be a jackass for attention.

[KrisKross]

A bit harsh, but I agree 100%.

[Sly]

PP always cracks me up.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Sly

PP always cracks me up.

I hope your clients weren't hit to hard ...

[scardog]

They don't like getting called thieves on this board. I don't know enough about the biz to know. I just know, Ibill said their processing was pulled, then they never payed. Will paymonde do the same? Who knows?

http://xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=18162

[Sly]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

I hope your clients weren't hit to hard ...

I hope so too.

Its really an unfortunate situation and sucks for everyone that will suffer because of it. I personally did business with quite a few people that used MVC/PM and I can't even imagine the headaches their experiencing right now.

Situations like this are perfect examples of why its very important to fully investigate any company that your business relies on. Processing, hosting, sponsors, content producers, the list goes on and on.

[HighSociety]

some people used them because they processed TANGIBLES ... but that probably passed way over your bright brain ....

we have a winner. I have accounts with strompay, paypal, ikobo (old), xoom and paymonde for dvd sales. CCbill for the paysite. Once again a fucking know it all

[Kimo]

yeah this is a fucked up situation for sure

[sigurman]

The rats always jump ship first...that's why some call them "clever", but they still are just rats...

[thicknigg]

I was one of those Paymonde People. I was referred by a fellow Webmaster. I was in the Process of Leaving and going else where, but I acted too slow.

I am not bitter that the monies are gone, but that I have to now carefully choose a Better Merchant company. Whose to say that they wont flake either.

[RFremont]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

Sorry. You most likely won't get your money because you are retarded. The fact is you deserve to lose your money. You could have used Epoch or CCBill like any competent business person would have, if you had bothered yourself with even the slightest bit of due dilligence. Jesus fucking christ, next you are gonna start posting threads about troubles with the crack head that manages your finances? or the reformed pedo that runs your day care? The Muslim cleric that updates your fisting blog? I mean really? what the fuck is wrong with you people? It's been said that igorance is bliss... but if the crowd here is any indication, it seems that ignorance is an absolute fucking nightmare.

That is a real interesting perspective. Here is my take on it:


Stupid fucks like you are what opitimize what is wrong with this industry. No one said we are 'brothers' but there is power in numbers and if there are a group of scammers or thieves somewhere, those that were victimized need to band together. You yourself are not immune to getting ripped off or having to make a stand for what is right, however clever you think you may be. For example, fighting .xxx, Acacia, or ibill or a potentially draconian law passed by the administration. People in this industry need to band together. The situation with ibill; there is no way anyone had the foresight to see it coming. Did you get taken by them? I bet if you had, you would have a different attitude. Also, like some people pointed out Paymonde dealt in shipped good, hence the reason for them vs. ccbill or epoch.

For me personally, scammers, thieves and cheats sicken me. I don't care what industry it is in; if I can make an effort to put an end to it, I will. Yet another way to look it is look how hard you work for your honest money (assuming you do), and these criminals just come in and swipe people's livelihood. It's bullshit to the nth degree.

I'll leave you with a quote, not mine of course: Evil prevails when good people fail to act.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by Xplicit

I can see where your coming from - I would never use some shit CC processor that no major company is using. Yes, they are stupid for that.

But, to be realistic IBill would have been on your list of legit processors a couple years ago, so really, it could happen to anyone - including you.

Thats why its best not to be a jackass for attention.

Ibill was NEVER on my legit list of processors. Ibill was built on scamming and spam. I know... i was there. I was one of them doing the mailing and for all the stuff i did that i regret... i was NEVER even remotely close to doing the shit that others i knew where with Ibill's full consent and support. It was a company built on spam and billing for questionable content (scat, beast etc) - nothing more. It was never a sustainable business to begin with. They were always assholes and scammers. What made the situation worse was that they sold an unsustainable business built on scamming, and gave the clueless masses hope that somehow things would be better. Then what? late payments... 900 money gone.... more late payments, more horrible excuses and lies and so on.

I can understand if there are no alternatives... but holy shit. there are people here to this day that defend Ibill... that sums up this industry well.

As much dirt as i know about people and companies... I don't know a single bad thing about Epoch.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by RFremont

That is a real interesting perspective. Here is my take on it:


Stupid fucks like you are what opitimize what is wrong with this industry. No one said we are 'brothers' but there is power in numbers and if there are a group of scammers or thieves somewhere, those that were victimized need to band together. You yourself are not immune to getting ripped off or having to make a stand for what is right, however clever you think you may be.

no... its smart fucks like me that never find themselves being victemized. you idiots are the ones that do business with snakes... then act suprised and shocked when snakes act like snakes.

"band together"??? are you serious? "band together" with who? stand up guys like lars that come right out and say "yeah, we fuck you! so what?!?" and the sycophants that continue to suck his cock?

"Power in numbers" - Really? I got news for you. You are widely percieved as being the scum of the earth. the general US public thinks you rape kids and sell the videos for trillions of dollars. "Power in numbers" and "band together" mean "One easy to hit, target". thanks... but no thanks. in this business, there is nothing but danger in numbers.

the idea of "banding together" has been around since day one. A few "pioneers" even got the idea that since the business is mostly run by retards and thieves, they can "band together" and they formed the GIA. then what happened? a group of the business biggest egos and cocaine habits lasted about 10 minutes as they "banded together"

but please... suit yourself, you can "band together" with the other hopefuls on the Titanic. You can sit in the lounge, listen to the music and tell nice stories as the ship begins to list and creak and groan under the stress of sinking. Me... i will always be doing business from the comfort and safety of a liferaft... because that has always proven to be the best place to be in this business.



reading GFY at times is like reading The Diary of the Deluded

[scardog]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

Ibill was NEVER on my legit list of processors. Ibill was built on scamming and spam. I know... i was there. I was one of them doing the mailing and for all the stuff i did that i regret... i was NEVER even remotely close to doing the shit that others i knew where with Ibill's full consent and support. It was a company built on spam and billing for questionable content (scat, beast etc) - nothing more. It was never a sustainable business to begin with. They were always assholes and scammers. What made the situation worse was that they sold an unsustainable business built on scamming, and gave the clueless masses hope that somehow things would be better. Then what? late payments... 900 money gone.... more late payments, more horrible excuses and lies and so on.

I can understand if there are no alternatives... but holy shit. there are people here to this day that defend Ibill... that sums up this industry well.

As much dirt as i know about people and companies... I don't know a single bad thing about Epoch.

Ibill changed hands a couple of times. Built on scamming? In the beginning, the were the largest processor out there. Perhaps later, the scamming began.
The final owners screwed us. I am not sure about the original guys.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by scardog

Ibill changed hands a couple of times. Built on scamming? In the beginning, the were the largest processor out there. Perhaps later, the scamming began.
The final owners screwed us. I am not sure about the original guys.

well... at least you can kinda read. good thing HTML doesn't require a license or like most of the idiots in this business, you would be walking dogs for a living.

[scardog]

"Ibill was NEVER on my legit list of processors. Ibill was built on scamming and spam. I know... i was there."

I read it. Does it mean they were NEVER Legit? Does it mean Ibill was built on scamming and spam? So they weren't the biggest processor at one time? Business model not sustainable? If I read something wrong, please let me know. My ego may not be as big as yours, so I will stand corrected.

So you code in Html for a living?

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by scardog

"Ibill was NEVER on my legit list of processors. Ibill was built on scamming and spam. I know... i was there."

I read it. Does it mean they were NEVER Legit? Does it mean Ibill was built on scamming and spam? So they weren't the biggest processor at one time? Business model not sustainable? If I read something wrong, please let me know. My ego may not be as big as yours, so I will stand corrected.

So you code in Html for a living?

"built on" - i.e. the beginning. its origins. the early days.

you keep saying you can read... in your defense, i am seeing some evidence of that. i think the problem is in your ability to comprehend what you are reading. thats not something i can assist you with.

anyway... keep the faith and keep fighting the good fight. Paymonde will pay you tuesday. really they will. seriously.

no .. they will.

i mean it.

[RFremont]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

no... its smart fucks like me that never find themselves being victemized. you idiots are the ones that do business with snakes... then act suprised and shocked when snakes act like snakes.

"band together"??? are you serious? "band together" with who? stand up guys like lars that come right out and say "yeah, we fuck you! so what?!?" and the sycophants that continue to suck his cock?

"Power in numbers" - Really? I got news for you. You are widely percieved as being the scum of the earth. the general US public thinks you rape kids and sell the videos for trillions of dollars. "Power in numbers" and "band together" mean "One easy to hit, target". thanks... but no thanks. in this business, there is nothing but danger in numbers.

the idea of "banding together" has been around since day one. A few "pioneers" even got the idea that since the business is mostly run by retards and thieves, they can "band together" and they formed the GIA. then what happened? a group of the business biggest egos and cocaine habits lasted about 10 minutes as they "banded together"

but please... suit yourself, you can "band together" with the other hopefuls on the Titanic. You can sit in the lounge, listen to the music and tell nice stories as the ship begins to list and creak and groan under the stress of sinking. Me... i will always be doing business from the comfort and safety of a liferaft... because that has always proven to be the best place to be in this business.



reading GFY at times is like reading The Diary of the Deluded

Well it must be tough being jesus's son, however for the rest of us, there are times when some people do get scammed in this industry. Not sure what your analogy of the Titanic has ANYTHING to do with combining resources, information and strategy with other webmasters that is getting ripped off by Paymonde. I'm quite sure no one did business with Paymonde knowing they are/were snakes. We are doing something about it with every post that bring more information to light, and it's one step in the right direction.

As for being perceived as 'scum of the earth', don't follow that either. Are you suggesting that no court of law will be interested in bringing Paymonde to justice because of our industry? Last I checked, larceny and theft is criminal no matter what the background.

Your attitude is cynical, almost resigned. It's dangerous and counterproductive and more importantly, simply not true. I'll be the one that says I told you so when things catch up with Paymonde, they can't scurry around and hide forever.

[Lykos]

i got my money from them

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by RFremont

Your attitude is cynical, almost resigned. It's dangerous and counterproductive and more importantly, simply not true. I'll be the one that says I told you so when things catch up with Paymonde, they can't scurry around and hide forever.

yeah genius. the courts can catch up to a failed company that doesn't exist anymore. a company is just a piece of paper. do you think paymonde took their site offline... but they have 10,000,000.00 in the bank and just don't want to pay it out and all you have to do is go get it... because "truth" is on your side?

wow. The Crusades are calling... The Pope wants you to retake the holy land.

after almost 10 years, i really get a kick out of the "if we all just band together" speeches. nothing new. never happened yet. thats not due to my cynicism.. its because a bunch of highly individualistic, self destructive parasites don't "band together" because the interests of the "whole" and whats good for the "industry" is their last concern.

you can tell me i'm wrong all you want... but until your pipe dream about a happy porn business place, full of nothing but couteous, kind, professional, respectful and perfectly honest and ethical pornographers comes to fruition... the fact of the matter is that i am right about the chances of that happening.





on a side note....

i never considered the notion of being Jesus son. now that you've said that, a lot of things are starting to make sense now.
hmmm... very interesting indeed.

[minusonebit]

This thread is hilarious. Keep tearing at each other's throats, I am dying from laughter over here.

[scardog]

Originally Posted by scardog

"built on" - i.e. the beginning. its origins. the early days.

you keep saying you can read... in your defense, i am seeing some evidence of that. i think the problem is in your ability to comprehend what you are reading. thats not something i can assist you with.

anyway... keep the faith and keep fighting the good fight. Paymonde will pay you tuesday. really they will. seriously.

no .. they will.

i mean it.

Ok. And I'm the the one who's not smart here?

[BVF]

Originally Posted by Forest

all you had to do was take a look at how they acted at any shows to know that this was not a bunch to trust your money with

they acted like 12 year olds on crack

Just like I remember the probilling dudes constantly asking me for some weed in florida....They went down a few months later.

[Nydahl]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

Sorry. You most likely won't get your money because you are retarded. The fact is you deserve to lose your money. You could have used Epoch or CCBill like any competent business person would have, if you had bothered yourself with even the slightest bit of due dilligence. Jesus fucking christ, next you are gonna start posting threads about troubles with the crack head that manages your finances? or the reformed pedo that runs your day care? The Muslim cleric that updates your fisting blog? I mean really? what the fuck is wrong with you people? It's been said that igorance is bliss... but if the crowd here is any indication, it seems that ignorance is an absolute fucking nightmare.

doesn't sound like a true to me.There is lot of people who can not use CCbill or epoch.For example me - they both have 1 time trasaction limit + don't accept company structure like I have.
Netbilling never even bother to answer my questions so paymonde was quite a good choise
this choise costed me 15K now - shit happens

[Shoplifter]

Originally Posted by Xplicit

But, to be realistic IBill would have been on your list of legit processors a couple years ago, so really, it could happen to anyone - including you.

Bingo. The whole industry is hanging by a thread each and every day. It all operates at the fancy of the powers that be, and it could all end at any time.

Paymonde got the letter from the bank just like many others before them. They probably tried desperately to secure other processing capabilities but there is just nowhere else to go. So that's that. This is the sort of biz where you live it day to day and try to rake it in like there is no tomorrow.

But is anyone incompetent for choosing Paymonde? Hmmm...It's truly hard to argue that any processor is in a solid position these days.

[RK]

Originally Posted by Shoplifter

It's truly hard to argue that any processor is in a solid position these days.

Those who have been using and setting up their own merchant accounts for years wonder what all the fuss is about. All these problems happen only to aggregator/third party billers. Those with the proper setup sleep well at night.

[bellybuttonlint]

pleasurepays.....for a person who took a dumb naive 19 year old, pumped her up with garbage coke.....then practically raped her and gave her herpes, you sure do talk alot of shit. best to keep that wanna be bad ass attitude in a place where no one knows who you are. Seems you got all comfortable and thought the old timers forgot who you are

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by bellybuttonlint

pleasurepays.....for a person who took a dumb naive 19 year old, pumped her up with garbage coke.....then practically raped her and gave her herpes, you sure do talk alot of shit. best to keep that wanna be bad ass attitude in a place where no one knows who you are. Seems you got all comfortable and thought the old timers forgot who you are

ha.. if you're gonna create an anon nick to slam people on the boards, at least make it believable and credible. start small... see where it goes, then work your way up. don't go for the gold with the first post.

[llporter]

damn dude lay off the bold

[Kimmykim]

interesting...

[andrej_NDC]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

Ibill was NEVER on my legit list of processors.

Same here. It was just a matter of time before they go under.

[scottybuzz]

hahhaa this thread is awesome. i love pleasure plays posts

no fucking around, straight to the point.

[XXXWriterDude]

Originally Posted by Shoplifter

Bingo. The whole industry is hanging by a thread each and every day. It all operates at the fancy of the powers that be, and it could all end at any time.

Paymonde got the letter from the bank just like many others before them. They probably tried desperately to secure other processing capabilities but there is just nowhere else to go. So that's that. This is the sort of biz where you live it day to day and try to rake it in like there is no tomorrow.

But is anyone incompetent for choosing Paymonde? Hmmm...It's truly hard to argue that any processor is in a solid position these days.

I agree. It's really good to see people being reasonable in these threads after all the terrible things that have been said about Paymonde. What's their crime exactly? They weren't totally upfront with their affiliates when they were having problems? Oh well. They were scrambling to get back on track and take care of everyone, but it just didn't work out. It's not like they were lying all along, nor did they intentionally set out to rip people off.

Business go under all the time. It happens. And yes, it sucks. People are losing money. No one is happy. ESPECIALLY Paymonde. These guys are sick over what happened. They had the best of intentions. I think it's important, however, to remember that we are all susceptible to failure, and that senseless name-calling isn't going to solve anything.