and many more were lost do your homework get a real lawyer to tell you what is what, that is what I did

Alex I'm not trying to make my company look "better". I don't have a problem with the way my company conducts business. I have a problem with Will. I have a problem with him calling me a thief and erroneously saying that my affiliates aren't making money.

where is will the thrill

I've gone neutral on the matter as too much bullshit is flying around. That being said, I have not dropped a single AFF property from promotion. I did drop ClickCash in late 2005, however, as they were no longer converting for me (yes, the clicks were getting through).

One thing I've noticed is that AFF/Cams can pretty much fill the front page of GFY without paying a dime for stickies or contests at this point. Courtesy of Will.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

A real lawyer would win that case for you. But like I said, if you're doing the same thing to others, the only thing you're left with is a lost case.

On the other hand, you CAN have other companies stop popping ads over your site by just having your lawyers contact the adware scumbags with a well written complaint letter. If you're serious, Ben can help your legal team with that. He's done it for many others in the past, He's been on the litigation side of this problem long enough to understand better than most how it really works.

Missie

You understand he's calling you a thief in generic terms, because of the stolen sales AFF takes by supporting Zango. There's no doubt in anyone's mind that Zango does steal a percentage of traffic. Have you convinced yourself that it's ok and necessary?

Yup thanks will

Recently a friend of mine at another company was telling me about this software that he is working on. You download this app the silently runs in the background. Lets say you are shopping for a new camera and you find it on Bestbuy.com. When you are actually looking at the product page a popup comes up with all the other stores (amazon, walmart, etc) that sell this item at a cheaper cost. I thought it was a cool program. I'm going to download it when it's out of beta.

To answer your question I have no problem with pops.

where is will????

Aww, a cute story to colorize the black and white version? Short answer = Yes, you've convinced yourself that Zango traffic interception is OK.

fiddy zangoriffic replies:pimp

You have got to be kidding! When you target traffic from affiliate sites you are directly stealing money from them. Sure it may be small, but it's so large that you won't stop buying the traffic. So it must make you enough sales to make all the headache worth it.

I think my answer was actually shorter:

I have no problem with pops.

BTW what's not black and white about my story? It's the same thing, no? Or is it only "evil" when AFF is invovled? To me it's as black and white as can be. User downloads app and receives some benefit (game, price watch, whatever) in exchange for advertising.

User downloads app. Your company intercepts and steals traffic from others in the industry. You take it from your own affiliates, and from affiliates of other industry programs. You're a parasite and much worse than Zango themselves, because you choose to participate in the theft. Then you take it farther by trying to justify it.

Zango won't care if you are outbid. They will sell the traffic interception to the highest bidder. If I knew your own personal sites, assuming you have any, I could bid on your traffic and intercept it.

Someone should start bidding up the price that you (AFF/Lars) pay for Zango traffic.. just to make sure you pay more for it.

The amount of additional traffic we are gaining is nothing compared to the amount of traffic we are protecting. Check our alexa ranking out and figure how much traffic someone else could get by bidding on our domain. When we step out for about a week we saw our nearest competitor buy it all up.

Then Zango could just pay their affiliates more to get more installs.

I'm out of this thread everyone. Goodnight and look for a HUGE annoucement from us tomorrow.

Great idea. Maybe some of those who are selling zango installs should pay attention to this plan, in order to increase their Zango per install payouts.. while at the same time making sure AFF keeps paying more and more for the traffic they are intercepting from everyone.

This sounds like a good excuse for buying traffic targeted at AFF or Cams, but what about buying traffic from sites that aren't even sending you traffic?

Free XThreadz in your size to the first 5 people to send us screencaps of what you see with Zango running on your pc when you visit www.xpays.com and www.hotelheiress.com


legal at xpays d0t com


please tell me if anything at XThreadz.com excites you and what size and where to send.


discretion is assured since you may wish to lay-low.

yes that is great excuse for why he is taking sales from everyone, Will76 didn't put up to his satisfaction, Sorry I let everyone down. I didn't know AFF's decission to use Scumware hinged whether or not I used clickcash... silly me.

I think Will should stop sending to Clickcash until they stop allowing spyware, there are other cam companies he can work with to get conversions right for him along with the payout.

I am glad you guys (AFF crew) is finally responding to the issues, your excuses are rather amusing.

if you all can't enforce your intellectual property with a domestic infringer- i can help point you in the right direction. all you have to do is protect your intellectual property. the can't beat them join them thing is ........

i'm going to write anti-zango worm after all these talks... lol! :1orglaugh

If noone bought the zango keywords would affiliates get more or less signups?
More.

Who's buying the keywords?
AFF.

=> Aff are stealing from their affiliates.

Will76 = SO FUCKING OWNED


:1orglaugh

If it were only about protecting AFF's domain and traffic then why are you bidding on other domains/sites that have nothing to do with cams?


:321GFY

owning of the week at least lol :D

Will, you're officially the biggest idiot on this board and very fucking owned. I mean like totally fucking owned. And lets not forget also the biggest hypocrite.

will, I'm looking forward to the day you'll start threads about clickcash using zango.

what is amusing is your total fucking lack or presecnce in this thread.....bumparoo

Will you got owned.

Deal with it.

aside from the will - lars drama i finally read up on all the zango shit... its fucked up for sure, from the sponsors involved i only use sexsearch actively... conversion wise i dont see any changes yet, in fact this week they are better then before - i'll see what i will do.

Bullshit. You can prevent them, but most can´t afford it. So somehow you´re right. But I have to admit that trademarks are handled in different ways depending on local laws, so there may be different results for different countries.

I cant believe you just said that.

:helpme

Fling will be getting more and more of my traffic.

This is fucking priceless.

:)

how does this change anything? Does AFF still use Zango? Will is not the only one with a problem from what I can see. IF will is using Zango also how does that make AFF right? I can see why people would not send traffic to ifriends now. It just seems like 2 wrongs make a right in this case. People have told AFF about Zango and how it hurts them, If this is not true they should show the facts. Maybe I missed the post but does AFF plan on using Zango in the future?

I wouldn't know you if we bumped into each other on the street. Which means that I start out, the same as I do with anyone else, assuming you are honest, intelligent, etc. Naive, certainly. Gets me into trouble, often. I just prefer to think positively of people until they give me a reason to think differently.

You just gave me such a reason, because there can be no way you sincerely believe that is what scumware means to anyone here.

Those who download scumware have their own issues, such as transparency of disclosure, ease of removal, etc. But they are not what this means to affiliates and other sponsors. We are affected by how that advertising is placed. And the core factor is that its appearance is triggered by someone who has succeeded in getting a visitor to his or her site to click a link through to a sponsor. Generating those clicks is the reason his site exists and getting sales from those clicks is what pays his bills.

Scumware, whether automatically or because some scumware customers choose to use it that way, delivers - as the first page the surfer will see after clicking a link - a page owned by the scumware customer. Even if that page fails to make a sale, given surfers' well-known dislike of consoles (their 2nd most hated feature after spam email), the operator of the traffic generating site has little chance of making a sale.

That isn't competition, to all practical intents and purposes it is theft. In some cases trademarks are being abused and in every case the traffic is being diverted without the permission of nor compensation for the person responsible for its creation.

More than just representing a total lack of business ethics, those who work with or condone scumware also betray a total lack of business sense. If this were a reasonable business model, it would be one capable of being scaled up. But if this one were used by even a majority of sponsors and major affiliates, there wouldn't even be a point in trying to promote anyone in the affected market areas.

Taken to its logical conclusion, affiliates would end up promoting nothing but scumware installs, leaving sponsors to fight over scumware traffic, paying more and more for it until no-one made a cent. Except that of course, if affiliates did promote nothing but scumware installs, there would be no more links to other sponsors on their sites, so the scumware providers would go out of businesses and sponsors would once more need their affiliates.

Scumware providers are middlemen. They do not generate a single extra click, nor a single extra sale for the industry as a whole. All of their estimated $2 billion a year income comes straight off the bottom line of affiliates and sponsors and the only reason they even exist is because of the stupidity and greed of a relatively small number of people and the unwillingness of the majority to act in their own interests.

Forget the 2 wrongs dont make a right and just think why would someone start a hate campaign about a program that buy adware traffic, when this person is a big affiliate of a company which also buys adware traffic.
But will doesnt mention anything about the company he promotes just shit loads of stuff about a company he doesnt promote. Theres something more wrong with that imo then buying adware traffic in the first place.
If zango display pops thats up to them and the user should learn how to uninstall or use a pc forum to remove it. If zango let people bid on urls that up to them. You should be going after zango not aff or any of the other advertisers.