How many programs will roll out HD sites this year?

[PR_Dave]

I think this will be the trend for 2007.

Do surfers care will be the question.

Mind you I am not opposed to seeing every pimple and hair up close but does HD and Porn work together?

[martinsc]

i think surfers will love HD...
i just hope the programs will jump on that wagon...

[PR_Dave]

You can airbrush a still image but you can't cover up the nasty as well on video.

[NoWhErE]

Originally Posted by PR_Dave

You can airbrush a still image but you can't cover up the nasty as well on video.

Depends, I can cover it up pretty well, but its a costly process (very time consuming)

[tony286]

poorly shot videos look just as shitty in hd just bigger. The time it takes to download hd trailers I couldn't imagine a surfer having the patience to down load a 30 min clip.

[spasmo]

Originally Posted by tony404

poorly shot videos look just as shitty in hd just bigger. The time it takes to download hd trailers I couldn't imagine a surfer having the patience to down load a 30 min clip.

That gets me thinking. Perhaps HD is actually a niche.

[Matt 26z]

Not many sites do full screen video at broadcast TV quality, so I think talk of HD is jumping the gun.

Besides, the internet isn't exactly accommodating to HD video yet. File sizes even for a 15 minute scene would be huge. Around 1 gig. We need advancements in connection speeds and video encoding.

I'm sure surfers would be thrilled with decent quality at full screen instead of losing quality in any window larger than a playing card.

[mikesouth]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Not many sites do full screen video at broadcast TV quality, so I think talk of HD is jumping the gun.

Besides, the internet isn't exactly accommodating to HD video yet. File sizes even for a 15 minute scene would be huge. Around 1 gig. We need advancements in connection speeds and video encoding.

I'm sure surfers would be thrilled with decent quality at full screen instead of losing quality in any window larger than a playing card.

I do full DVD quality

and a 15 min HD scene rendered in good quality CAN come in at way less than 1Gb, specially if you use MPG4 or even wmv

[SomeCreep]

Hmm, well HD porn is up and coming. I'm not sure if surfers would actually pay more for it though.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

I do full DVD quality

and a 15 min HD scene rendered in good quality CAN come in at way less than 1Gb, specially if you use MPG4 or even wmv

Way less than a gig I would to see that? The avg webguy isnt a compressionist they use the program that came with nle they use.

[Martin3]

A better question would be how many will actually start doing it right.

[Jakke PNG]

I registered fullhdporn.com a few days back. lol

[Jakke PNG]

Originally Posted by tony404

Way less than a gig I would to see that? The avg webguy isnt a compressionist they use the program that came with nle they use.

Welll.... microsoft has 1080p videos on their website to showcase wmv.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...tshowcase.aspx

2 minute clip 120mb..

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Martin3

A better question would be how many will actually start doing it right.

I say three yrs it will be the standard. Also internet connections have to get faster to make it a enjoyable experience. You will still have to make sd clips for those on old machines and on dial up. You can shot hd all day long but if the content isnt hot and its poorly lit it doesnt matter. What sells is not the lastest technology but hot content this is porn not radio shack lol

[tony286]

Originally Posted by TeenGodFather

Welll.... microsoft has 1080p videos on their website to showcase wmv.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...tshowcase.aspx

2 minute clip 120mb..

Thats microsoft , show me a regular persons clips and thats still a big file 750 mb for 15 mins

[LA Mike]

With simple compression tools you can bring a 2,000kbs HD format WMV to roughly 250megs.. and 4,000kbs which is really not a good option for web would basicaly be double that.

[Jakke PNG]

..besides, nobody's forcing anyone to put the HD sites up NOW.. but medicenters etc are coming, bandwidth is gettin cheaper, and internet connections are getting faster. You don't have to give a fuck about dial-up users anymore, or windows 95 users with 640x480 resolutions.

So basically offering good quality porn that you can watch on your tv (from your media center for example) on your new 1080p tv is going to be good stuff.

[Jakke PNG]

Originally Posted by tony404

Thats microsoft , show me a regular persons clips and thats still a big file 750 mb for 15 mins

Well, I'm sure the industry guys who start to make the sites will understand the importance of compression (but not too much) ;)

[tony286]

Originally Posted by TeenGodFather

..besides, nobody's forcing anyone to put the HD sites up NOW.. but medicenters etc are coming, bandwidth is gettin cheaper, and internet connections are getting faster. You don't have to give a fuck about dial-up users anymore, or windows 95 users with 640x480 resolutions.

So basically offering good quality porn that you can watch on your tv (from your media center for example) on your new 1080p tv is going to be good stuff.

do you have websites and deal with customers because if you did you wouldnt say what you said. lol I get dialups(If dialup was dead there still wouldnt be tv commercials for it all the time), webtv, people using windows 3.1 most are not on the lastest and the greatest. They arent geeks like us lol

[ladida]

Definatelly the future, tho not just yet. And you can bet your ass surfers will love it. Still, HD requires alot more then just a site that you put up with HD video. You'll need to cater to public that has very high broadband speeds and "high tech" comps, since 200 gigs will not be that much anymore, which is some standard in computers today. With right marketing, im sure the price of membership for such sites can be raised up since the people that would join such sites aren't your regular joe with a credit card looking for a quick whack. Think prada of porn :P

[Jakke PNG]

Originally Posted by tony404

do you have websites and deal with customers because if you did you wouldnt say what you said. lol I get dialups(If dialup was dead there still wouldnt be tv commercials for it all the time), webtv, people using windows 3.1 most are not on the lastest and the greatest. They arent geeks like us lol

Blah, not where I'm from.

[Jakke PNG]

Originally Posted by tony404

do you have websites and deal with customers because if you did you wouldnt say what you said. lol I get dialups(If dialup was dead there still wouldnt be tv commercials for it all the time), webtv, people using windows 3.1 most are not on the lastest and the greatest. They arent geeks like us lol

Just to refine my answer a bit.
a) we don't have ads for dial-up, haven't had since the 90's.
b) We have broadband in cellphones, and practically NOBODY uses dial-up except if forced to.
c) I run sites that I deal with customers, and catering to dial-up users isn't on my high-priority list..and whaddya know, I just said what I said.
d) What's webtv?
e) Most people in finland are on the latest and fastest.


I do cater for north-american markets too, but I have faith that you'll soon pull out of medieval times and people move on with the rest of the world.

[Nathan]

HD is all great, but a full 1080p movie is not only huge in size as many mentioned, but if compressed with mp4, a today STANDARD PC can not even PLAY the damn thing at even CLOSE to full framerate... My PC can't even play HDTV resolution videos, it eats up all resources and I have plenty of those.

The standard porn viewer will not have the hardware power to even view them well in my oppinion, at least not 1080p ones.

1080p is 1920x1080 resolution, who even has that big of a screen?! Almost noone does.

Its a nice gimmick, but full 1080p is just for a very few porn surfers and by far not the majority.

[PhotoGreggXXX]

HDV is here already, been shooting it for over a year. Windows keeps coming up with better and better solutions for compression and file sizes.

Check out mayor's money sites and ask how the hell do they get over 1000 signups a month and an incredible retention rate.

Check out Pornpayouts.com and ask Janell about the signup ratios.

The learning curve a year ago was intense for capturing, editing and encoding, now it's just another day at the office.

What's good about shooting in hdv is you can encode to what the surfer wants: 320x240, 640x480 or full blown hd quality.

Another plus is all the video shot is ready for another market, the dvd market as a secondary income to cover cost of production

[Sexsitesurfer]

We have been using HD video more and more over the last year. We started on just one site to test the popularity, but most of our video is HD now because the members love it!

But we also give the option of downloading other formats if they prefer!

[Nathan]

Originally Posted by PhotoGreggXXX

What's good about shooting in hdv is you can encode to what the surfer wants: 320x240, 640x480 or full blown hd quality.

Another plus is all the video shot is ready for another market, the dvd market as a secondary income to cover cost of production

I very much agree with you there... Thats the real great thing about HD. You can easily have multiple resolutions and reuse the content for DVD stuff without a problem. And once 1080p makes sense for surfers you can offer that too.

768p is today already not bad, I just still think many people join the sites and use lower quality videos in the end because of download speed and such.

[Jakke PNG]

Originally Posted by Nathan

HD is all great, but a full 1080p movie is not only huge in size as many mentioned, but if compressed with mp4, a today STANDARD PC can not even PLAY the damn thing at even CLOSE to full framerate... My PC can't even play HDTV resolution videos, it eats up all resources and I have plenty of those.

The standard porn viewer will not have the hardware power to even view them well in my oppinion, at least not 1080p ones.

1080p is 1920x1080 resolution, who even has that big of a screen?! Almost noone does.

Its a nice gimmick, but full 1080p is just for a very few porn surfers and by far not the majority.

I don't think full hd is for people who watch porn thru their computer monitor, but rather those who have windows media centers, or linux mediacenters. There's a lot of articles in finnish magazines atleast, comparisons and tests of the systems. In august 2007 analog tv-transmissions will end in finland, and people hate 100000 remotes.. So they want an all-in-one system with digital decoder, dvd-player, (internet connection), 'Tivo' and such. I think 1980x1080 resolution videos are more for people who watch it on their tv rather than monitor. Also the HD-dvd/blueray will make it possible to use the same content as HDTV hard-copies.

But if you don't believe that'll happen, feel free to stick to your compressed 240x180 real-media files.

[emthree]

a lot more sites are shooting in HD
Soon it wont really become a marketing point, just an industry standard.

[Jakke PNG]

Oh, and I don't even imagine it's a 'great' majority of surfers who want to see full hd porn, but I DO think the numbers who want to see that are far greater than those interested in microniches. and microniche sites work. The expenses to run a full HD site isn't *THAT* much bigger if you already have a few servers, good video encoder etc.

The only think HD video will *NEED* is good guy behind the camera, lights and makeup. You CAN see the pimples on her ass with full HD ;)

[Jakke PNG]

Originally Posted by emthree

a lot more sites are shooting in HD
Soon it wont really become a marketing point, just an industry standard.

HDV isn't FULL HD.

[Buzz]

Originally Posted by TeenGodFather

HDV isn't FULL HD.

What's the difference then ?

[Jakke PNG]

Originally Posted by Buzz

What's the difference then ?

Well, HDV isn't exactly even a format. It's a method.

HDTV : 1080p
HDReady :720p (what most sites call 'HDV')

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-definition_television

[Jakke PNG]

That was a bit wrong too, since I don't know if north america has 'hdready'.
720p is ALSO a HDTV format, but FULL HD is different. heh.

[Nathan]

Originally Posted by TeenGodFather

But if you don't believe that'll happen, feel free to stick to your compressed 240x180 real-media files.

For copying to blueray/HD DVD and such medias or media centers, absolutely, I agree, its great. Thats why I said in reply to photogreg that I think HD is good for recording now, you can use it for any lower format too, and you will have the higher formats for later to release to everyone.

And btw, my newest project uses 4 steps of quality, from around 1024x800 down to 360x288... I am definately not sticking to 240x180 real media files

[SinisterStudios]

True HD is years away for our business, the expense for cameras (good hd cameras not the crap thats out today and yes im talking about the sony so called HD cameras out there) crews experienced in shooting hd, proper lighting for HD, and all the other production nightmares that go with it are just not worth it yet. Shooting true hd requires roughly 1gb per minute of storage, so a 20 minute scene will run roughly 20gb of storage in a Full HD Stream. Now compress that to 1/4 size for web streaming and your still talking 5gb for a 20 minute scene. How many scenes does an avearge paysite have? and can they afford to convert to HD and the expense of storage solutions they need to handle storing and streaming this large of a file?

Then we havent even gotten into the editing systems for HD video, cause there is nothing out there for less than $75k that can handle true hd editing. All the products out there from Vegas, Premiere, and FCP handle stepped down HD and not true HD Streams. Only Avid has a solution for this and it runs way more than any of us will pay.

Then the bandwith issues comes into play, bandwith prices have basically hit the lowest point they will go ( maybe they might go down alittle more but cant see too much more) There has been alot of consolidation in the Bandwith business and i would think this would cause prices to stay level or even go up slightly.

Technology prices have to come down quite a bit to make it cost effective for paysite owners to justify the addtional expense in servers, storage and bandwith needed to stream HD on the web

There is alot of factors to consider when trying to put HD porn on the web, and personally with all im told by my mainstream friends and what i have played with myself, we are years from getting True HD on the web.

[PR_Dave]

Let's see where this goes.

[BradShaw]

I have yet to see anything close to true HD online. Its all marketing.

[marko13]

what is HD????

[JimiJimi]

Originally Posted by BradShaw

I have yet to see anything close to true HD online. Its all marketing.

HD converts. Does anything else realy matter?