PS Also smell this whole scenario stinks in that there is corp paper shuffling and non-transparency - which gives grounds to think there are other agendas.

and.... they are opening more corporations, or planning new businesses as we saw in the other thread with Joey.

:disgust

PayTuesde??

More like PayNever.

:2 cents:

pay-NO ONdE

i signed up with MyVirtualCard - the switch to "Paymonde" was made without me having to sign any new documents. i just got a message to switch the domains and buttons - which was a pain in the ass cause i have a couple of thousand in my shop. a bit later i met howard and norton in berlin and they explained they made the switch for marketing purposes - which i never believed a second.
i even made a joke at that time that "Paymonde" reminds be of "Globill" and "Globosale" - i guess i was right

at the moment i am seriously fucked: we use their database and their shopping cart - so i can't switch right away. and they owe me about $5K

right now i would love to grab Howards "bling bling gold chain" and his golden rolex and shove it up his ass - without lube

:mad:

Sure... more often than not, the usual scenario is line up a few new businesses, tho they rarely get off the ground. Any action they take is going to be under scrutiny and could cause em future damage. Damned amateurs :(

Ahah.. the sounds promising MaDalton.. Love the pathetic excuse about name changing for "marketing reasons" - liar :winkwink:

Hope ya got that communication about changing names - could be very handy :thumbsup

Whatever "Paymode" is, it appears Burah and Cohen are firmly in the frame as targets.

I guess I still have some hope that they'll do the right thing. I'm not a rich webmaster and my mortgage payment depends on my checks. I'm not quite ready to "stick it to them" and thus guarantee I and others don't get paid; all that does it remove my one chance and for something as stupid as revenge. If it comes to it, I'd rather go the legal route and not give them a legal excuse not to pay.

it's definitely those 2 guys - and you know whats funny?

they deleted their profiles on Adultwhoswho already: http://www.adultwhoswho.com/browse/b....html?id=01093

just howard is left: http://www.adultwhoswho.com/person/person.html?id=00033 - he probably forgot that his profile was still attached to MyVirtualCard

I'd assume they are on their way to some airport at this moment

The problem here is you are still "hoping". Those of us who've been through the loss of processors in the past know the warning signs. Also it's not mystery science theatre when you are submitting tickets, and e-mails, or calling, and noone is returning them.Much less bashing the hell out of them, and their lack of ANY communication on the boards, and still silence.

In hindsight, you will come to find all of the warning signs were there, and "hope" doesn't pay the models, or bills.

:2 cents:

hope doesn't really help in the buisness world

No, hope doesn't pay the bills. But maybe it's the lack of experience in this industry, since I have only been exclusively involved in it for 9 years, but I can't figure out how getting all our customers to do chargebacks will pay the bills either...

everytime this happens we are all gettin screwed

Fuck them...I've waited and waited, sitting here with my fingers crossed it'll all work out. When I saw their sites gone this morning, well that was the last straw.
I now consider my $2k owing vanished and I'll consider myself lucky if I ever see a cent of it again. If I do, I'll count my blessings and buy a lottery ticket or two.
I agree with Model Perfect:
'If it comes to it, I'd rather go the legal route and not give them a legal excuse not to pay.'

On the bright side, I have removed Paymonde from all my sites and switched to Verotel. They have gone above and beyond the call of duty and got me setup again within 24 hours.
Now that is service!

Hi i am here

Jeez... it's not as though they are not monitoring the boards :1orglaugh

If they have nothing better to do than pull down websites and remove their profiles, smells like they have other plans.

Anyone got any mugshots to post on GFY of Cohen, Howard or Burah et al?

Having gone through the Ibill disaster, I feel for anyone having to suffer due to these guys. Spend your time getting a new biller, asap. Forget them, the money is gone. Do the chargeback thing if you want. Because the IPSP business is built on trust, as soon as that goes, they are finished, and they have no reason to pay. Use all past billers that did this as your guide.

Christ. Talk about misinformation. Look up what CISP is. It's not Visa compliancy. CISP stands for CARDHOLDER INFORMATION SECURITY PROGRAM. It's even says so at top of the document.

You'll also notice on that list that CCBill and Paycom are past due with their CISP compliancy for the year.

The list is meaningless.

You've been fucked over before by other processors and yet you still went to Paymonde instead of Paycom or CCBill?

When I suggested in earlier threads that Paymonde's collapse was imminent, I must admit I thought they'd make it through the week...sheesh!

At this point, we are resigned to losing all our money and the majority of our rebills (tho we've emailed all of them with an incentive to re-join via Verotel), but what drives us to the point of hysteric distraction is it seems probable that these scumbags will get away with this horrendous scam.

How is it possible that, after thousands of webmasters were defrauded by Ibill last year, that yet another processor can come along and walk off with our money and that there appears little or nothing we -- as a group -- can do about it?

I realize that law enforcement has little, rather NO respect for us, but they're happy to apply existing laws when and if they penalize us. Is it too much to ask that they apply the law when it comes to people who defraud us and our members?

Don't answer that cause the answer is all too obvious already.

http://www.fubarwebmasters.com/curre...6/b/z09425.jpg

howard cohen on the left, then joshua ungar who left - and the third i have seen before too along with them


http://www.fubarwebmasters.com/curre...6/b/z09428.jpg

norton burah in the middle

I was hit by ibill and now paymonde and the only reason is running a tight budget-don't have the loose change to pay Visa's blood money fees.
But I'm either going non nude or coming up with the cash to get an established company to handle the billing.

Correct.

You might wanna do your homework, and read a bit bud. I have CCBill.

I had more than one company handling my billing since having grief in the past. CCBill, AND PayMonde handling memberships. B-H-E handling DVD (tangibles) and custom order sales.

PayMonde stopped paying, I dropped them days later. I then added in Verotel to my cascade. Which I had doing my celeb sites.

Visa blood money fees are a lot for the guy getting started. I paid them to Ibill, and still got ripped. :(

When Globill, and iBill went out of business did anyone get paid then by playing nice?

:helpme

If you decided to sell one of your member sites, would Verotel allow you to sell the rebills? I heard in another thread that they would not. I hope this is not true.

joshua unga left in june...he was my rep. over at paymonde...i dont think he has nothing to do with paymonde collapse...:2 cents:

Honestly I am not sure since I have no intention of selling my sites. However, my members have been through bill changes in the past, and you could do the same hastle I suppose if need be if that were to come up.

But Verotel's always done well for me since making the change on my celeb sites. Payments always on time, or early. Always have received a response on e-mails. Live chat is nice. Or you can call, and talk to the Dutchies.

More importantly, no customer complaints.

:thumbsup

myvurtualcard is jushua ungar

myVirtualCard (08:43 PM) :
hey bro
DasBroot (08:44 PM) :
hi ^^
DasBroot (08:44 PM) :
can you tell me whats wrong with paymonde?
myVirtualCard (08:44 PM) :
I have no idea bro..I left paymonde in June!
DasBroot (08:44 PM) :
i know..no contact to norton or someone?
myVirtualCard (08:44 PM) :
i dont speak with anyone there anymore...
myVirtualCard (08:45 PM) :
have you tried to call them?>
DasBroot (08:45 PM) :
no my spoken english is bad as hell
myVirtualCard (08:45 PM) :
lol
myVirtualCard (08:45 PM) :
paymonde.com not working?
DasBroot (08:45 PM) :
well,i guess they are on the bahamas right now with some shitload of cash from their clients
myVirtualCard (08:45 PM) :
lol
myVirtualCard (08:46 PM) :
I have no idea bro...honest
DasBroot (08:46 PM) :
i couldnt believe it
DasBroot (08:46 PM) :
all sites are down
DasBroot (08:46 PM) :
no phone or email answers
DasBroot (08:46 PM) :
nothing
DasBroot (08:47 PM) :
no payouts since end of october
DasBroot (08:47 PM) :
i'm in the shit
DasBroot (08:47 PM) :
i got no money
myVirtualCard (08:47 PM) :
really? :/
myVirtualCard (08:47 PM) :
Im really sorry to hear that bro
DasBroot (08:48 PM) :
do you visit some adult webmaster boards?
myVirtualCard (08:48 PM) :
sure....
DasBroot (08:49 PM) :
people are plippin out there right now
DasBroot (08:49 PM) :
flippin
myVirtualCard (08:49 PM) :
Im sure
myVirtualCard (08:49 PM) :
I wish you the very best of luck bro
myVirtualCard (08:49 PM) :
really
myVirtualCard (08:50 PM) :
If I can be of help, let me knwo
DasBroot (08:50 PM) :
hm..know a good 3rd party processor ^^
myVirtualCard (08:50 PM) :
lol
myVirtualCard (08:50 PM) :
ccbill/paycom
DasBroot (09:33 PM) :
hey
DasBroot (09:33 PM) :
still there?
myVirtualCard (09:33 PM) :
yup
DasBroot (09:34 PM) :
do you have someone of paymonde on icq?
myVirtualCard (09:34 PM) :
343-069-675
DasBroot (09:36 PM) :
i guess he will not come online anymore :-(
myVirtualCard (09:38 PM) :
no idea bro
myVirtualCard (09:38 PM) :
really
DasBroot (09:46 PM) :
https://youtube.com/watch?v=MfHiVh97S5M
DasBroot (09:46 PM) :
lol
myVirtualCard (09:48 PM) :
hilarious bro!
DasBroot (09:48 PM) :
^^
DasBroot (09:48 PM) :
i got a heart attack
myVirtualCard (09:48 PM) :
lmao!
DasBroot (11:01 PM) :
still there?
DasBroot (11:01 PM) :
sry if i shocked you

joshua USED TO work for paymonde/mvc...he says is right there in your chat log! He left in june...:2 cents:

this means he left in june, doesnt itr?

That's BS. Howard Cohen is the uncle of Joshua Unger. I spoke to paymonde 3 days ago and Howard and Josh were BOTH is the office at the same time.

Interesting development indeed.

:disgust

they are family...that is true...but josh has left paymonde in june...many ppl have already said this...

yes..somehow i think he left in june

but 123roman doubt that joshua had nothing to do with the paymonde misere

Perhaps he knew something about the S.S. iMonde back then, and jumped shit, er... ship.

:disgust

that was my thought also...joshua wanted to stay in canada and not go to the bahamas like cohen and burah..so he left

am i paranoid?^^

Thanks MaDalton :thumbsup

Can see them lining up for awards as the cream of Financial Entrepreneurs of the Year - not :)

Got some folks checking stuff now (tho may take a week before they get back with info) - it's handy to have mugshots for eyeballing. It *may* be innocent enough, but till that is known, every one of em in is the frame - including Unger.

This is PARTICULARLY grotesque. Here we have one Joshua Ungar, blood kin of the supreme scumbag Howie Cohen, working for and operating online as MyVirtualCard (an associated entity with Paymonde) claiming that he knows nothing about NO-paymonde and can do nothing to help. This beggars the imagination, pals.

What's even worse is that he seems wonderfully flippant about the collapse of Paymonde, leaving thousands of hard-working webmasters without funds and, as one thread reported, unable to pay their mortgages. Everything's LOL in MVP/Paymonde world, particularly when they start counting up the money they've stolen. ALL WILL BE FINE. ALL WILL BE GOOD.

What is wrong with us to allow this kind of shit to happen and to take it lying down? This is one of the most disturbing dialogues I have ever read!

It was a question. Hence, doing my homework. I know that you use CCBill now, but I have no idea how long you've used them. Ease up a bit, k?

As far as I know, no processor will allow this. I think it may be against Visa policy.

Whilst I am loathe to disparage anyone's appearance, I cannot help but note how FAT and DISGUSTING are these piglings replete with double-chins and huge bellies, gold chains and freaky whiskers. What a gallery of rogues!!!!!

Joshua Ungar is a greasy lying piece of shit. I smelled his stench in Vegas 04 when those clowns were pitching their shit service at Internext. I just took several steps back and wrote them off.

Too bad this stuff happens.

Got to agree :winkwink: There are at least two lies in the text Unger typed.

Gawd these idiots are amateurs.

I wish I had a $1 for everytime I have heard a flaky processor tell someone that.

myvirtualcard is no longer his name in icq..he changed it but my icq never updated it.

i guess he changed it when he left.anyone knows when that was?:1orglaugh

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