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11-11-2006, 01:38 PM

Sponsors using companies like Zango.

Processors not paying their clients.

IS all that matters to everyone is to make a quick buck and fuck your business peers.

Doesn't anyone have integrity anymore?

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11-11-2006, 01:42 PM

Originally posted by JMan

Sponsors using companies like Zango.

Processors not paying their clients.

IS all that matters to everyone is to make a quick buck and fuck your business peers.

Doesn't anyone have integrity anymore?

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11-11-2006, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by JMan

Sponsors using companies like Zango.

Processors not paying their clients.

IS all that matters to everyone is to make a quick buck and fuck your business peers.

Doesn't anyone have integrity anymore?

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11-11-2006, 01:43 PM

Welcome to mainstream, where agreements are a little more enforceable than these handshakes at shows
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11-11-2006, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by JMan

Sponsors using companies like Zango.

Processors not paying their clients.

IS all that matters to everyone is to make a quick buck and fuck your business peers.

Doesn't anyone have integrity anymore?

Be glad you don't have big b00bs...when they have them, people don't even PRETEND like they think you are smart!

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11-11-2006, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by kaylacam

Be glad you don't have big b00bs...when they have them, people don't even PRETEND like they think you are smart!

might have something to do with having seen you as content with cum in your face. Stuff like that dont exactly make us think you are the sharpest tool
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11-11-2006, 02:39 PM

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might have something to do with having seen you as content with cum in your face. Stuff like that dont exactly make us think you are the sharpest tool

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11-11-2006, 02:41 PM

This is not unique to the adult biz. Welcome to the real world.

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11-11-2006, 02:42 PM

It's always been this way. People are just more aware because the money doesn't pour into their bank accounts with little work anymore...

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11-11-2006, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by ebus_dk

might have something to do with having seen you as content with cum in your face. Stuff like that dont exactly make us think you are the sharpest tool

I like being both the business side and the content side. I am my own product, I never have to worry about losing my product line!

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11-11-2006, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by kaylacam

I like being both the business side and the content side. I am my own product, I never have to worry about losing my product line!

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11-11-2006, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by kaylacam

I like being both the business side and the content side. I am my own product, I never have to worry about losing my product line!

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11-11-2006, 03:03 PM

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11-11-2006, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by GetBigCash

This is not unique to the adult biz. Welcome to the real world.

yup, real world is no different.

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11-11-2006, 03:08 PM

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11-11-2006, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by JMan

Sponsors using companies like Zango.

Processors not paying their clients.

IS all that matters to everyone is to make a quick buck and fuck your business peers.

Doesn't anyone have integrity anymore?

I learned this earlier in the week they dont have any. Xbiz putting someone from GUBA in their magazine.
The big 2257 meeting where the fbi invited companies they saw as industry leaders to come. These so called leaders share no info with anyone.
Its all little kingdoms and thats why as a whole we are so weak.
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11-11-2006, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by squishypimp

yup, real world is no different.

I worked in the real world for over 15 years it wasnt as bad as this industry is. There was competition but when as a industry they had to come together they did. That was two industries the bar and the auto.
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11-11-2006, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by tony404

I learned this earlier in the week they dont have any. Xbiz putting someone from GUBA in their magazine.
The big 2257 meeting where the fbi invited companies they saw as industry leaders to come. These so called leaders share no info with anyone.
Its all little kingdoms and thats why as a whole we are so weak.

Well said!

And Kayla balances more than most of us... Try being content and sharp as a tack on the business end. It takes a bright girl to pull that one off and she's done a damn good job.
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11-11-2006, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by Kre8t0r

And Kayla balances more than most of us... Try being content and sharp as a tack on the business end. It takes a bright girl to pull that one off and she's done a damn good job.

Yes she does... Kayla has more than a couple brain cells in that head of hers.
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11-11-2006, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by GetBigCash

This is not unique to the adult biz. Welcome to the real world.

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11-11-2006, 05:06 PM

I don't know look at Google Adsense

They don't tell you what they pay you.
What they do pay they do upto 60days after you have made it
Just discussing your stats is enough to get terminated
Support is something there working on, still after being live 4 years
They will use your affiliate code to track down your network and ban you
If you have a payment problem you have to wait 90 days before they will even look at it.

the list goes on an on

best Google key phrase at the moment " smartpricing " Ahh you dumb fucks, its called shaving.

see adult is not that bad after all.....
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11-11-2006, 05:22 PM

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11-11-2006, 05:22 PM

This is the porn business. You know, underworld scum, sleeze balls, and shady people just like carnivals, and strip clubs. They are naturally attracked to this biz.
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11-11-2006, 05:30 PM

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11-11-2006, 06:51 PM

Suspect it's a matter of judgement who you associate or do business with. Two of the biggest scumbags (and the only one's) I ever encountered in decades were in mainstream commerce. One is sitting in a jail cell now and the other due to follow shortly. (Tho both of em are *very* extreme and destined to spend time behind bars.)

On the adult biz... can only say what I see now after having been in this biz long before the net. There was never any decrying of talent. There were (and still are) biz relationships formed that span several decades with folks who kept their end of the bargain - and without bullshit. Several of these people were instigators of the whole concept of selling adult content - and went thru numerous trials to establish this. In the past I'd have done deals on a handshake and everyone would be happy - that is not the case with online adult.

There has been an emergence of "facilitators" who were either too ambitous (with an ambition which often does not match their abilities) or were too greedy or, had other agendas. Transaction processors and others fall into that league.

Another factor is the ease at which anyone with a computer can commence operating a biz on the net. The usual phrases like.. "Easy money" are an obvious attraction - even to most unqualified and incapable people with no biz accumen. In "offline adult" they would never get off the ground.

Bottom line... "offline adult" has changed very little. Online is another issue where vetting is vital - it matters little how high profile the names are. A fair number of 'relevant' names are not particularly well-known in online adult - they are not personalities, but more than capable of purchasing large segments of this biz. All processors need vetting - it's not an option - they are handling funds of others and need to provide assurances they can operate a business on a solid basis and make provision for client funds in the event of their demise.

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11-11-2006, 07:00 PM

Originally posted by kaylacam

Be glad you don't have big b00bs...when they have them, people don't even PRETEND like they think you are smart!

There was a guy on here not long ago, that told Czarina that because she has big boobs, there is no way that she is smart or making money, other than in front of the camera

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11-11-2006, 07:13 PM

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11-11-2006, 07:17 PM

Originally posted by pornguy

There was a guy on here not long ago, that told Czarina that because she has big boobs, there is no way that she is smart or making money, other than in front of the camera

Very first girl I had on a shoot had big boobs. X years later she is running one of the largest model agencies in the EU with around 400 - 700 girls on record - and she does not let them work for less than 600 Euros/day (approx $800) for straight modelling. She is not a silly pimpess

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11-11-2006, 07:25 PM

A business that once sold 1 in 200... then sold 1 in 400... now is lucky to sell 1 in 1000.

The demand for porn didn't drop, the big guys are driving ferraris and smoking imported cuban cigars... so you know something is going on.

From AVNads to Zango... I could write a book about click stealing, funding of copyright violators, and redirection of surfers (zango, avn, zango, for those keeping score).

There is big money in porn - it just isn't getting down to the affiliates like it use to...
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11-11-2006, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by Webby

Suspect it's a matter of judgement who you associate or do business with. Two of the biggest scumbags (and the only one's) I ever encountered in decades were in mainstream commerce. One is sitting in a jail cell now and the other due to follow shortly. (Tho both of em are *very* extreme and destined to spend time behind bars.)

On the adult biz... can only say what I see now after having been in this biz long before the net. There was never any decrying of talent. There were (and still are) biz relationships formed that span several decades with folks who kept their end of the bargain - and without bullshit. Several of these people were instigators of the whole concept of selling adult content - and went thru numerous trials to establish this. In the past I'd have done deals on a handshake and everyone would be happy - that is not the case with online adult.

There has been an emergence of "facilitators" who were either too ambitous (with an ambition which often does not match their abilities) or were too greedy or, had other agendas. Transaction processors and others fall into that league.

Another factor is the ease at which anyone with a computer can commence operating a biz on the net. The usual phrases like.. "Easy money" are an obvious attraction - even to most unqualified and incapable people with no biz accumen. In "offline adult" they would never get off the ground.

Bottom line... "offline adult" has changed very little. Online is another issue where vetting is vital - it matters little how high profile the names are. A fair number of 'relevant' names are not particularly well-known in online adult - they are not personalities, but more than capable of purchasing large segments of this biz. All processors need vetting - it's not an option - they are handling funds of others and need to provide assurances they can operate a business on a solid basis and make provision for client funds in the event of their demise.

// end of rant

We've got to agree with you Webby - offline adult is made up of real business people who know how to do business and you can rely on them. If some of the flakes here in online adult tried their hand and their tricks over there they'd be dead or out of the business in a very short time.

And anyone who thinks that just because a girl does it in front of the camera she doesn't have brains seriously needs to connect with reality.

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11-11-2006, 08:06 PM

From my point of view, being fairly new on this particular forum.
I have good business training, good instincts, a great support system in mentors and clients.
I was born in S. Philly, raised in Detroit and have been working in Las Vegas for the last 12 years. I saw my first dead body when I was 9, and I grew up in a city riddled with drugs and guns. I have spent the first part of my adult life around people doing dirt, (Driving a Limo, and Bartending) I have spent 10 years whatching people at their dirtiest. I have seen scams, crimes, liars and cheats that most people only see on the news, or hear as "Folk lore".
My point is: The one thing I did not prepare for in this business ( I'm talking about the internet as a whole) is the extreme paranoia of getting ripped off.
I didn't know about that part. That the hardest part, for me.

I though i would be able to do business as usual. Have a good product, be knowlegable of the clients needs, blah, blah..Would I should have been studying is how to get people to trust you in a paraniod world.

In my opinion, it's tearing the little guy in the industry apart, and creating a bigger rift between the have's and the people that work for them, hoping to get a piece of the pie. As long as we keep fighting each other for the crumbs of scraps that are thrown down, the "man" has us by the balls, and keeps the possibility of compitition to a minimum. Just like every other industry.

Thers not enough money in the world to make me fuck someone over. But to a lot of people, $1000 is a lot of money and they'll cut your throat for it.

The big difference here is so many people look at the internet and porn in particular as a "no work", cash cow ,that everybody and their mother wants some.
It's just like living in Vegas. People still keep moving out here with, no skills, and no money or job lined up, because they heard a news story 5 years ago, that said 7500 people a month are moving to Vegas, and finding good jobs.
Well they did, and now it's just like everyother city, if you want something, you have to work for it. And this aint no different.

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11-11-2006, 11:44 PM

Originally posted by pornguy

There was a guy on here not long ago, that told Czarina that because she has big boobs, there is no way that she is smart or making money, other than in front of the camera

I must admit...the business-minded part of me finds Czarina hot as all hell because she IS so savvy, while the whore side of me cannot stop drooling over the memory of her in my silver dress in Florida that year! I am not sure if she looked better wearing it or getting OUT of it. *drool*

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11-11-2006, 11:45 PM

it seems to get worse from day to day...

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11-11-2006, 11:52 PM

Originally posted by ebus_dk

might have something to do with having seen you as content with cum in your face. Stuff like that dont exactly make us think you are the sharpest tool

probally one of the stupidest things I've ever heard on GFY and prof positive you're an idiot.

I know MANY women who run their own sites - alone or with their husbands/mates that get covered in cum regurally and are VERY intelligent - a HELL of a lot more intelligent than YOU I can guarentee.

ok, there are some dumb as fuck content girls but your comment was no better then saying all drug addicts are stupid. Sure there's one hell of a lot of stupid ones out there - but there's also a LOT of very smart ones too.

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11-11-2006, 11:55 PM

Originally posted by JMan

Sponsors using companies like Zango.

Processors not paying their clients.

IS all that matters to everyone is to make a quick buck and fuck your business peers.

Doesn't anyone have integrity anymore?

Always been like this.
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11-11-2006, 11:59 PM

I have been selling software to porn companies and main stream. This year 100% of the adult companies we did work have paid us, in main stream we are at 90% collection.

In adult if some one does not pay, their is GFY. In main stream they just say 'take me to court' and you just write it off since its not worth spending money on lawyers.

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11-11-2006, 11:59 PM

Originally posted by SleazyDream

probally one of the stupidest things I've ever heard on GFY and prof positive you're an idiot.

I know MANY women who run their own sites - alone or with their husbands/mates that get covered in cum regurally and are VERY intelligent - a HELL of a lot more intelligent than YOU I can guarentee.

ok, there are some dumb as fuck content girls but your comment was no better then saying all drug addicts are stupid. Sure there's one hell of a lot of stupid ones out there - but there's also a LOT of very smart ones too.

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11-12-2006, 12:07 AM

Originally posted by kaylacam

I like being both the business side and the content side. I am my own product, I never have to worry about losing my product line!

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11-12-2006, 12:21 AM

everybody's always out looking to make a buck, regardless of ethics. this business is as sleazy as the others are.
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11-12-2006, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by SleazyDream

probally one of the stupidest things I've ever heard on GFY and prof positive you're an idiot.

I know MANY women who run their own sites - alone or with their husbands/mates that get covered in cum regurally and are VERY intelligent - a HELL of a lot more intelligent than YOU I can guarantee.

ok, there are some dumb as fuck content girls but your comment was no better then saying all drug addicts are stupid. Sure there's one hell of a lot of stupid ones out there - but there's also a LOT of very smart ones too.

You dont even know me, so you have zero knowledge of my intellect. You dont know even ONE site I run, or ONE of my businesses.

Maybe you should take a look at what i said again, and then pass judgment on who is the real idiot here. I did not say she was a idiot. I mentioned the effect of being content, and what it does to your reputation.

There is a difference between being a idiot, stupid or unintelligent. I would have to know the models on a personal level to know if they were unintelligent. But I reserve the right to call any model a idiot or stupid, based on how they behave and what kind of modeling they do. There are smart models out there for sure, and I have seen a few of them grow into successful business women. If ******* ran here own site, I'm sure it would be making a LOT of money, but that sure as hell dont make her smart.

Or maybe we just have two different measurements for being smart or intelligent.

If a models only job is to have 20 guys com on here face, please, dont come here and call her intelligent, smart or a businesswoman (and im not talking about kayla)
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11-12-2006, 12:43 AM

Only an observation - there are more dumb webmasters around than dumb talent, - and there would be no webmasters around without the talent.

It's all a fantasy and models provide that "food" - they are no different to the average member of the public, - some are bright, some dumb, some talented, let em work without pulling them apart and appreciate they give webmasters a living. (Often for far less money than they can earn in print media)

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11-12-2006, 12:47 AM

Originally posted by ebus_dk

You dont even know me, so you have zero knowledge of my intellect. You dont know even ONE site I run, or ONE of my businesses.

Maybe you should take a look at what i said again, and then pass judgment on who is the real idiot here. I did not say she was a idiot. I mentioned the effect of being content, and what it does to your reputation.

There is a difference between being a idiot, stupid or unintelligent. I would have to know the models on a personal level to know if they were unintelligent. But I reserve the right to call any model a idiot or stupid, based on how they behave and what kind of modeling they do. There are smart models out there for sure, and I have seen a few of them grow into successful business women. If ******* ran here own site, I'm sure it would be making a LOT of money, but that sure as hell dont make her smart.

Or maybe we just have two different measurements for being smart or intelligent.

If a models only job is to have 20 guys com on here face, please, dont come here and call her intelligent, smart or a businesswoman (and im not talking about kayla)

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3. If I post anything on this board, your narrow-minded, insult-throwing keyboard warrior coward self will post something derogatory about me.

I do not NEED to know you, I know that you are a pussy asshole who likes to make his money off of "content whores" yet treat them with disdain. Any chance you are related to Luke Ford You seem to share his hypocritical views on the adult industry...

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11-12-2006, 12:48 AM

Originally posted by Webby

Only an observation - there are more dumb webmasters around than dumb talent, - and there would be no webmasters around without the talent.

It's all a fantasy and models provide that "food" - they are no different to the average member of the public, - some are bright, some dumb, some talented, let em work without pulling them apart and appreciate they give webmasters a living. (Often for far less money than they can earn in print media)

I honestly think that most webmasters and content start for the same reason. Being to lazy or stupid to get a real job or because they need some fast money. Those people will be in the business for a short period of time.
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11-12-2006, 12:49 AM

Originally posted by ebus_dk

might have something to do with having seen you as content with cum in your face. Stuff like that dont exactly make us think you are the sharpest tool

Sure reads like an insulting judgemental comment from a fuckwit to me Etwit.

I think Sleazy called it dead nuts on.

Originally posted by ebus_dk

I reserve the right to call any model a idiot or stupid, based on how they behave and what kind of modeling they do.

You reserve the right. Riiight.

Shortbus, you are definitely in the wrong business.

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11-12-2006, 12:51 AM

i think this situation is occasional.... the biz will stand on healthy legs after new year...

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11-12-2006, 12:52 AM

Originally posted by ebus_dk

You dont even know me, so you have zero knowledge of my intellect. You dont know even ONE site I run, or ONE of my businesses.

Maybe you should take a look at what i said again, and then pass judgment on who is the real idiot here. I did not say she was a idiot. I mentioned the effect of being content, and what it does to your reputation.

There is a difference between being a idiot, stupid or unintelligent. I would have to know the models on a personal level to know if they were unintelligent. But I reserve the right to call any model a idiot or stupid, based on how they behave and what kind of modeling they do. There are smart models out there for sure, and I have seen a few of them grow into successful business women. If ******* ran here own site, I'm sure it would be making a LOT of money, but that sure as hell dont make her smart.

Or maybe we just have two different measurements for being smart or intelligent.

If a models only job is to have 20 guys com on here face, please, dont come here and call her intelligent, smart or a businesswoman (and im not talking about kayla)

BTW, if you think models only job is to have 20 guys cum on their face, you obviously did NOT sit in on the webmaster access west panel which I was the head speaker on, there were more than a FEW smart "content" girls there...I am one of 5 SrA in the USAF history to get the AF Commendation medal. I do my website myself...100%, always have. I am my own agent for booking dvd scene, SOME of us are too busy working for a living to devote much time to being judgemental...on THAT note, I have wasted far more time on you in this thread than you are worth. I have videos to edit and encode. GFY with a splintered broom stick

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11-12-2006, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by kaylacam

BTW, if you think models only job is to have 20 guys cum on their face, you obviously did NOT sit in on the webmaster access west panel which I was the head speaker on, there were more than a FEW smart "content" girls there...I am one of 5 SrA in the USAF history to get the AF Commendation medal. I do my website myself...100%, always have. I am my own agent for booking dvd scene, SOME of us are too busy working for a living to devote much time to being judgemental...on THAT note, I have wasted far more time on you in this thread than you are worth. I have videos to edit and encode. GFY with a splintered broom stick

No need to defend yourself to nobodies like him. Funny how he yells at Sleazy for not knowing him and accuses him of basically talking out of his ass, yet he does the same thing to you.

That's ebus for you.

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11-12-2006, 01:00 AM

Originally posted by kaylacam

Dude, build a bridge and get over whatever your issue with me is...I will gladly donate the lumber. There are a few things in life I can ALWAYS count on:
1. If I want to go on vacation, my period will be early and ruin it for me.
2. If I leave my car windows down, it will rain
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3. If I post anything on this board, your narrow-minded, insult-throwing keyboard warrior coward self will post something derogatory about me.

I do not NEED to know you, I know that you are a pussy asshole who likes to make his money off of "content whores" yet treat them with disdain. Any chance you are related to Luke Ford You seem to share his hypocritical views on the adult industry...

Jesus christ - you dont even get it. I did NOT insult you, I did NOT call you stupid. For Gods sake, read my post.

All I said is, that because you are also content, you MUST accept people see you as such. You have been having sex, flashing your tits and other privat parts at webmaster-shows for the last - what - 5 years? If you dont understand what it does to your reputation.

You play the slutty girl on your sites and you try and sell yourself like that on the webmaster forums as well - so what do you expect people to think of you?

....If you want to be seen as a smart business women, then act like one.
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11-12-2006, 01:03 AM

Originally posted by kaylacam

BTW, if you think models only job is to have 20 guys cum on their face, you obviously did NOT sit in on the webmaster access west panel which I was the head speaker on, there were more than a FEW smart "content" girls there...I am one of 5 SrA in the USAF history to get the AF Commendation medal. I do my website myself...100%, always have. I am my own agent for booking dvd scene, SOME of us are too busy working for a living to devote much time to being judgemental...on THAT note, I have wasted far more time on you in this thread than you are worth. I have videos to edit and encode. GFY with a splintered broom stick

thank you - I have not said ONE bad word about you, and yet you have done nothing but insult me.
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