Police punch man in head ( video )

[SmokeyTheBear]

http://www.filecabi.net/video/news-police-beat10.html

Now he will make out like a bandit. prob walk away with over a million i bet.

[Fucksakes]

you post alot of cop beating videos I noticed

[fris]

harsh video

[marko13]

uff.... bad video for police.... he is so brutal...

[Bossman]

Police state?

[Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE]

dude, the guy wasn't doing anything but trying to stop the cop from punching him, lmfao

[Lazonby]

I wonder why they arrested him in the first place. If it was for something bad, then I won't be shedding any tears for him.

[Fred Quimby]

You can see the suspects right hand clench the officers leg before the cop hits him. That is a felonious assault and the cop had every right to defend himself.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by Fucksakes

you post alot of cop beating videos I noticed

hmm i dont recall posting any police beating videos ?

dont quote me on that though i could be wrong.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by Fred Quimby

You can see the suspects right hand clench the officers leg before the cop hits him. That is a felonious assault and the cop had every right to defend himself.

are you serious ? turn your sound up, he says he cant breathe , he obviously isnt intentionally trying to hurt the cop he merely is grabbing in an upward motion to remove the hand from his neck.. its an instictual action everyone will do when they can't breathe.. ( also a move very familiar with cops to intigate a beating ) if you choke a man with your leg/arm telling him "not to resist" he has no choice but to try and remove whatever is choking him , its a reflex action , then he looks like e is struggling

[Splum]

Cardenas is a known gang member who had been wanted on a felony warrant for receiving stolen property.

http://www.nbc11.com/news/10285250/detail.html

[dougeetx]

Isn't this the one where the feds are investigating?

[Babaganoosh]

Without knowing what he did to tangle with the police in the first place, I think calling it police brutality would be premature. Sometimes in the real world people need to be punched in the face repeatedly. Perhaps this guy is one of those people?

[David_MaskTV]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

are you serious ? turn your sound up, he says he cant breathe , he obviously isnt intentionally trying to hurt the cop he merely is grabbing in an upward motion to remove the hand from his neck.. its an instictual action everyone will do when they can't breathe.. ( also a move very familiar with cops to intigate a beating ) if you choke a man with your leg/arm telling him "not to resist" he has no choice but to try and remove whatever is choking him , its a reflex action , then he looks like e is struggling

U have a point.

[Angry]

video is 2 days old and the prick deserved it. He is a scumbag and needs to be taken off of the street. The cop should have raped him in the ass wtih his baton. Who really cares? This guy was wanted for having and selling stolen weapons on the street and gang related. Should they have bought him some roses and wiped his ass for him? Fuck that. He got what was coming to him. Whining retards.

[Babaganoosh]

And there we have it:

"Vernon claimed Cardenas is a known gang member"

"According to a person familiar with the investigation, the arrest report claims that Cardenas fought with the officers before they held him down and placed handcuffs on him."

Let the beating commence.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by Angry

video is 2 days old and the prick deserved it. He is a scumbag and needs to be taken off of the street. The cop should have raped him in the ass wtih his baton. Who really cares? This guy was wanted for having and selling stolen weapons on the street and gang related. Should they have bought him some roses and wiped his ass for him? Fuck that. He got what was coming to him. Whining retards.

hmm i didnt see any of those details , hardly a "scumbag" if his only charge was being "suspected" to have recieved stolen property. That could just mean someone parked a stolen car at his house.. not great but not deserving of being beaten .. especially when it hasnt been proven yet..

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

And there we have it:

"Vernon claimed Cardenas is a known gang member"

"According to a person familiar with the investigation, the arrest report claims that Cardenas fought with the officers before they held him down and placed handcuffs on him."

Let the beating commence.

lol and what do you think they are going to say .. " turns out the guy was an angel and we were totally wrong " ..

NOT...


How do you think that officer would write his report.. " had some jackass down , gave him shots to the head and choked him for a bit , fun times had by all "

[Fred Quimby]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

are you serious ? turn your sound up, he says he cant breathe , he obviously isnt intentionally trying to hurt the cop he merely is grabbing in an upward motion to remove the hand from his neck.. its an instictual action everyone will do when they can't breathe.. ( also a move very familiar with cops to intigate a beating ) if you choke a man with your leg/arm telling him "not to resist" he has no choice but to try and remove whatever is choking him , its a reflex action , then he looks like e is struggling

If he is talking he is breathing.

he obviously isnt intentionally trying to hurt the cop

Pls don't speculate on his intentions as we don't know what caused 2 cops to take him down in the first place.

[Babaganoosh]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

lol and what do you think they are going to say .. " turns out the guy was an angel and we were totally wrong " ..

NOT...


How do you think that officer would write his report.. " had some jackass down , gave him shots to the head and choked him for a bit , fun times had by all "

The guy chose to fight the police. Even thinking that's a good idea entitles him to a free beating. I have no reason to doubt that the police are telling the truth about him fighting them. If he weren't fighting he wouldn't have ended up on the ground with a cop thumping on him.

[RTP]

that happened in LA, the video JUST got released on youtube and caused a whole bunch of shit now. the truth of the matter is that is is a clip from the whole entire incident. the guy was extremely violent and fought police, there was a full investigation when the shit happened and they were cleared by the superior court.

The video was released by a watch group to cause shit which it did, NOW he and his lawyer are suing, just anothe case of using the media as a tool.

The guy was wanted for stolen property and gang shit. The cops saw him - went after him. The part you don't see is he went after the cops guns during the struggle.

THIS FUCK FACE WENT AFTER THIER GUNS.

But you only see him getting punched in the face.

[C_U_Next_Tuesday]

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

Without knowing what he did to tangle with the police in the first place, I think calling it police brutality would be premature. Sometimes in the real world people need to be punched in the face repeatedly. Perhaps this guy is one of those people?

I agree

[starpimps]

douche bags

[asianbeautychat]

It's normal, they always do this.

[klinzter]

fucken pigs! they all suck

[Babaganoosh]

Originally Posted by klinzter

fucken pigs! they all suck

Quit fucking up and breaking the laws the rest of us have to abide by and your idiotic opinion will change.

[asianbeautychat]

Police is also human being, I guess there must be some reason. I can understand but I don't agree that.

[Babaganoosh]

Originally Posted by asianbeautychat

Police is also human being, I guess there must be some reason. I can understand but I don't agree that.

Please stop butchering my native language. Your English makes me a sad panda.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

The guy chose to fight the police.

not on the video he didnt, he couldnt breathe he did what every human on earth reflex action is to stop whatever is making you not breathe.

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

I have no reason to doubt that the police are telling the truth about him fighting them. If he weren't fighting he wouldn't have ended up on the ground with a cop thumping on him.

nice theory . so everyone who has been punched in the head by cops must have been fighting or they wouldnt be getting punched in the head..

So lets just setup a hypothetical situation.. a bad cop punches and attacks unsuspecting person , arrests him and says he was fighting.. now by your flawed theory there is no bad cops , its impossible to lie and it didnt happen.. the cop said he fought thus he deserved to get attacked..

no offense but grab a clue..

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by Fred Quimby

If he is talking he is breathing.

the sky is blue grass is green..

if your getting choked you try to stop it..

Originally Posted by Fred Quimby

Pls don't speculate on his intentions as we don't know what caused 2 cops to take him down in the first place.

i speculated only about what i watched not about what the grapevine says he may or may not have done..

He was being choked , if his intention was to hurt the cop he would have been punhcing him hitting him anything , he wasnt , he had his hand on his leg period.. thats why i speculated that its OBVIOUS to anyone watching the video it was a "defensive" reaction not an "offensive reaction"


Now granted we dont see the whole video.. if they were struggling for a gun and its laying behind the officer , then its a whole different story, his reach could be interpreted as a grasp for the weapon..

[nikki99]

oh my fucking God

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by RTP

that happened in LA, the video JUST got released on youtube and caused a whole bunch of shit now. the truth of the matter is that is is a clip from the whole entire incident. the guy was extremely violent and fought police, there was a full investigation when the shit happened and they were cleared by the superior court.

The video was released by a watch group to cause shit which it did, NOW he and his lawyer are suing, just anothe case of using the media as a tool.

The guy was wanted for stolen property and gang shit. The cops saw him - went after him.

hmm i think you have your facts wrong , its a top story because the fbi is investigating the case.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061110/us_nm/crime_lapd_dc

Originally Posted by RTP

The part you don't see is he went after the cops guns during the struggle.

THIS FUCK FACE WENT AFTER THIER GUNS.

But you only see him getting punched in the face.

im not saying your wrong but ..
do you have any proof of this or did you just read some cop post it on a board ?

[Babaganoosh]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

not on the video he didnt, he couldnt breathe he did what every human on earth reflex action is to stop whatever is making you not breathe.



nice theory . so everyone who has been punched in the head by cops must have been fighting or they wouldnt be getting punched in the head..

So lets just setup a hypothetical situation.. a bad cop punches and attacks unsuspecting person , arrests him and says he was fighting.. now by your flawed theory there is no bad cops , its impossible to lie and it didnt happen.. the cop said he fought thus he deserved to get attacked..

no offense but grab a clue..

No offense but for such a seemingly smart guy, you sure say a lot of stupid shit. Most cops are good. My definition of good for the sake of this discussion would be law-abiding, honest, professional and level-headed. Most of the people who cops get in trouble for pummeling are not good. They usually have previous offenses and a history of making seriously bad decisions. To blindly give the criminal the benefit of the doubt is extremely foolish.

Cops generally have to be good or they wouldn't get the job. These days, to become a cop you have to go through background checks, credit checks and a personality/mental evaluation. That doesn't mean that bad cops don't get in or that they don't become shitheads later on but as a general rule they do their jobs quite well.

Honestly, you're making a judgment based on the last few seconds of the video. You have NO idea what happened prior to this chucklehead getting punched by the police. If he was fighting the police before he was taken down and is continuing to struggle (as is seen) on the video, the police are completely and totally justified in punching him to gain control. I applaud the cop who is hitting him for showing amazing restraint and only using his fist when there are other more painful options within easy reach.

[RTP]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

im not saying your wrong but ..
do you have any proof of this or did you just read some cop post it on a board ?

they have the complete video

[ro8in]

I'm in the middle ... The problem is we didn't see what happend before it all we see is a few second footage of what is probally almost the ending of the arrest.. One could even question why would the person recording this post only the last part on youtube.. Was this the moment the person finally got his camera on record or was he filming all the way and on purpose decide to hide us from the footage filmed before this part?.. Anyway we can speculate on this matter much longer.. What we do see is clearly the cop beating the guy without being any need for it.. Yes the guy may be a scum bag, but this should not make any impact on a police officers descision in doing anything. A cop should do what he is trained for and what he is doing on the video goes beyond his proffesionalism so in that case yes the police officer is wrong...

But as this is a forum and not a courthouse we are free to bring our personal aspect into it.. Yes maybe the guy did deserve a good beating hehehe so thats what keeps me in the middle...

[RTP]

fyi it was posted by a watch group....hmm i wonder why they didnt post the whole thing.

if someone goes after a gun and your a cop, fucking own them...if you are from LA, you know so many cops get killed it's sad. they subdued him. good for them, cops beat and kill people often around here and it is for good reason. its the guy who got shot 60 times by the cops. you see the video of him getting shot then his family crying. when you look at the entire video, he tells them he is armed and gonna kill everyone of them - he makes a move to pull put something from his pants and gets killed, then people demonstrate saying it was a wrongful death.

it's fucking sad but dont fuck with the police and don't try to resist arrest especially if you are a gang member or wanted felon. a liberal standpoint on this topic is not an option or its fucking anarchy

[Martin]

Fuck alot of cops are just power tripping assholes. I've had a few run ins with them. For one good cop there is 500 like this.

Im going to go listen to some Body Count.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

Honestly, you're making a judgment based on the last few seconds of the video. You have NO idea what happened prior to this chucklehead getting punched by the police. If he was fighting the police before he was taken down and is continuing to struggle (as is seen) on the video, the police are completely and totally justified in punching him to gain control. I applaud the cop who is hitting him for showing amazing restraint and only using his fist when there are other more painful options within easy reach.

like i said im only conjecturing on what i saw not on what a third party says happened , we do KNOW what happened on the video , all the other rumours on here are just rumours.. so we cant go on anything other than what we saw.

obviously it would be foolish to come up with a "final conclusion" based on a tiny section of video.

I also agree if he was fighting before the cop had the right to regain control , but i havent see any evidence to suggest that happened, and it doesnt seem very likely either considering about halfway thru the clip you hear a woman saying " why are you doing that he didnt do anything to you" or something of the sort.. not the sort of thing you would say if you just wtinessed a man fighting with the cops..

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by RTP

they have the complete video

so what your saying is you made all that shit up.. ?

you said

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The part you don't see is he went after the cops guns during the struggle.

THIS FUCK FACE WENT AFTER THIER GUNS.
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do you have any factual evidence to back this up is all im asking..

[trashymedia]

the media only played the portion of the tape that (over and over and over and over) showed Rodney King getting his ass beat. Now they conveniently left out the part that showed him getting to his feet after being Tasered and lunging for one of the cops. Was it strange that the other guy in his car laid down as ordered and was not touched? If anything, the media was to blame for the LA riots, as up until Sept. 11, channel 9 news had a vendetta for the LAPD. Not to say that they were angels themselves, as they had (and still have) alot of internal issues. After Sept. 11, many media outlets changed their tune as it was not PC to bash cops after all of those guys died in the world trade center. Shit still happens, but if you have never had to face someone who is trying to beat your ass (no matter if you carry a badge and a gun), it is very hard to judge what you are seeing. The clip is being used to provoke a reaction, and it seems to be working. The cops will probably be cleared in Federal court, but have their asses sued civily as there are 100's of lawyers lining up now to take this case (sharks smelling blood in the water). Just my 2 cents spoken from experience...

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by RTP

fyi it was posted by a watch group....hmm i wonder why they didnt post the whole thing.

if someone goes after a gun and your a cop, fucking own them...if you are from LA, you know so many cops get killed it's sad. they subdued him. good for them, cops beat and kill people often around here and it is for good reason. its the guy who got shot 60 times by the cops. you see the video of him getting shot then his family crying. when you look at the entire video, he tells them he is armed and gonna kill everyone of them - he makes a move to pull put something from his pants and gets killed, then people demonstrate saying it was a wrongful death.

it's fucking sad but dont fuck with the police and don't try to resist arrest especially if you are a gang member or wanted felon. a liberal standpoint on this topic is not an option or its fucking anarchy

Under which previous nickname were you known ?

Just curious....

[RTP]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

so what your saying is you made all that shit up.. ?

you said

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The part you don't see is he went after the cops guns during the struggle.

THIS FUCK FACE WENT AFTER THIER GUNS.
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do you have any factual evidence to back this up is all im asking..

no man, what i am saying is they did state that and it was stated that he did along with evidence...i dont see how i made this up, i'm sure that it will all come out at a later point in time...soon, they cleared them once in superior court, it is funny how everyone jumps to conculsions after a 15 second clip

[RTP]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Under which previous nickname were you known ?

Just curious....

none dude

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by RTP

no man, what i am saying is they did state that and it was stated that he did along with evidence...i dont see how i made this up,

who stated that ? where ? thats what evidence is.

your saying and i quote " this fuckface went after thier gun " we certainly didnt see that on video so unless you just pulled that out of your hat then its made up..

Originally Posted by RTP

it is funny how everyone jumps to conculsions after a 15 second clip

nobody is trying to presume the whole case from the clip we are talking about what anyone with eyes can see. there is no evidence of any sort posted so far that says he was fighting before what we saw on cam .

Nor that he was a gangbanger nor that he was even a convicted criminal..

What we do know is he was drinking beer on a corner , cops rolled up checked him for warrants then tried to arrest him for an outstanding warrant for possesing stolen property.. . something happened and we caught the end..

[Ace_luffy]

damn .. i love tha video

[MaddCaz]

Fris my goodness wit that avatar!!!!

[RTP]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

who stated that ? where ? thats what evidence is.

your saying and i quote " this fuckface went after thier gun " we certainly didnt see that on video so unless you just pulled that out of your hat then its made up..


nobody is trying to presume the whole case from the clip we are talking about what anyone with eyes can see. there is no evidence of any sort posted so far that says he was fighting before what we saw on cam .

Nor that he was a gangbanger nor that he was even a convicted criminal..

What we do know is he was drinking beer on a corner , cops rolled up checked him for warrants then tried to arrest him for an outstanding warrant for possesing stolen property.. . something happened and we caught the end..

these will answer your questions...he wasn't some poor chap hanging around the corner drinking beer. he is a felon and known gang member, he ran from them, resisted arrest AND went after the gun. this is not some innocent guy hanging out and getting owned for no reason...he got what he deserved.

"The suspect's hand covered my partner's gun holster so I yelled at my partner to watch his gun. My partner responded by capping his gun and delivering a left elbow to the suspect's face causing the suspect to let go of him," the report said.

"A Superior Court commissioner who viewed the entire video nearly two months ago and heard the officers' testimony has found that their conduct was ''more than reasonable'' because Cardenas was resisting, the Los Angeles Times reported Friday."

"In the preliminary hearing held in the Cardenas case in September, the patrol officers seen in the video testified that Cardenas had lashed out at their hands and belt and apparently tried to reach for one of their guns. They recognised him as a member of the Gordon Street Locos gang and knew he was wanted for failing to appear on a warrant of receiving stolen property."

"In an arrest report obtained by the Associated Press, the officers said they tried to arrest Cardenas after spotting him on the sidewalk, but Cardenas ran."

" Vernon said Cardenas is a known gang member wanted on a felony warrant for receiving stolen property. In an arrest report, the officers said they tried to arrest Cardenas on a sidewalk."

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by RTP

these will answer your questions...he wasn't some poor chap hanging around the corner drinking beer. he is a felon and known gang member,

wrong he was wanted on a felony warrant.. in the usa your innocent until proven guilty

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According to testimony at Cardenas' preliminary hearing, Schlegel said he and his partner were in their patrol car when they spotted Cardenas drinking beer with two friends on the corner of Fountain Avenue and Gordon Street
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"It is totally fabrication that he is gang member or resisted arrest," Duren said. The attorney said Cardenas was employed as a mover and lives with his daughter, mother and sisters in Hollywood
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hmm a gangmember who works for a moving company .. thats the first minimum wage working gang member i have ever seen or heard of

Originally Posted by RTP

he ran from them, resisted arrest AND went after the gun.

well no shit the cop is going to say that AFTER... i hope your not this gullible in normal life..

Originally Posted by RTP

"The suspect's hand covered my partner's gun holster so I yelled at my partner to watch his gun. My partner responded by capping his gun and delivering a left elbow to the suspect's face causing the suspect to let go of him," the report said.

the report may say that , the video certainly doesnt unless your dyslexic..

Originally Posted by RTP

"A Superior Court commissioner who viewed the entire video nearly two months ago and heard the officers' testimony has found that their conduct was ''more than reasonable'' because Cardenas was resisting, the Los Angeles Times reported Friday."

good for them i guess the fbi isnt nearly so gullible.

Originally Posted by RTP

these
"In the preliminary hearing held in the Cardenas case in September, the patrol officers seen in the video testified that Cardenas had lashed out at their hands and belt and apparently tried to reach for one of their guns. They recognised him as a member of the Gordon Street Locos gang and knew he was wanted for failing to appear on a warrant of receiving stolen property."

so they dont even know he was a gang member just suspected him as a gang member.

Originally Posted by RTP

these

"In an arrest report obtained by the Associated Press, the officers said they tried to arrest Cardenas after spotting him on the sidewalk, but Cardenas ran."

so far all your evidence has been from the person who is accused and we all watched beat this man, what do you think he is going to say " yup i beat him for no reason"

[RTP]

we will see then bump this thread for you being the guilble one who things a known gangmember is innocent, obviously you live in a sheltered world, propaganda will only hurt you man. listen if you are a cop and if some fucker you are trying to handcuff is struggling, ran and went for your gun and still resisted arrest, wouldn't you pound his face also...you think they didn't know if was being recorded? what matters more your life or worrying about hurting the guy trying to take it. this is fucking LA, happens all the time. wait you are probally one of those guys who thinks rodney king was just a random guy who got beat also and his problems with pcp and crack all a consiracy theory,

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by RTP

we will see then bump this thread for you being the guilble one who things a known gangmember is innocent,

who said anything about him being innocent.. all i said is he isnt guilty until proven.. not hard to figure out.. your the idiot for thinking gang members live with their moms and work at a minimum wage job

Originally Posted by RTP

obviously you live in a sheltered world,

i lived very close to where this happened ,

try again.

Originally Posted by RTP

propaganda will only hurt you man.

so stop trying to spread it problem solved.

Originally Posted by RTP

listen if you are a cop and if some fucker you are trying to handcuff is struggling, ran and went for your gun and still resisted arrest, wouldn't you pound his face also..

if that happened then yes i would do whatever it took to subdue him, but we have nothing to say that happened.. its pure conjecture , we do however have video of him beating a man who isn't resisting. your saying he resisted based on stuff we didnt see ,

Originally Posted by RTP

.you think they didn't know if was being recorded?

i doubt it , supposedly it was recorded on a cell phone

Originally Posted by RTP

wait you are probally one of those guys who thinks rodney king was just a random guy who got beat also and his problems with pcp and crack all a consiracy theory,

maybe you should stop making stupid guesses about things with no factual basis ..