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BusterBunny · 11-06-2006, 05:38 PM

fiddy..........

Nysus · 11-06-2006, 05:40 PM

Fairly sure it's quite known that it's natural.. Jim just has big balls and licks big balls.

Matt

jimthefiend · 11-06-2006, 05:43 PM

Can we talk about how fags spread disease and cultural disfunction now?

BusterBunny · 11-06-2006, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jimthefiend

Can we talk about how fags spread disease and cultural disfunction now?

i'd start another thread on it

jimthefiend · 11-06-2006, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BusterBunny

i'd start another thread on it

Will do. Thanks man.

Its gonna be like outer space here for the next few days.

Holly Lez! · 11-06-2006, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jimthefiend

Show me fag boy.

Show me the press release talking about how they mapped the gay gene.

You can't.

You aren't as good as PimpDogg! Stop trying! He was fun to argue with! you are not orginal...

sacX · 11-06-2006, 06:01 PM

FACT: people who yell the loudest against homos, are fucking male escorts on the side.

marcjacob · 11-06-2006, 06:07 PM

Why give this shit the time it doesnt deserve? Jim doesnt believe this, hes just being a cock. And in any case, you dont need to argue him down as a) you will never turn his point of view and b) his point of view doesnt matter to a single gay man or lesbian. Who gives a fuck what he thinks? You dont like it Jim? Dont look!

u-Bob · 11-06-2006, 06:08 PM

http://www.narth.com/docs/whitehead.html :

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Summary: Recent studies show homosexuals have a substantially greater risk of suffering from a psychiatric problems than do heterosexuals. We see higher rates of suicide, depression, bulimia, antisocial personality disorder, and substance abuse.

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One important and carefully conducted study found suicide attempts among homosexuals were six times greater than the average

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Then, more recently, in the Archives of General Psychiatry-- an established and well-respected journal--three papers appeared with extensive accompanying commentary (Fergusson et al. 1999, Herrell et al. 1999, Sandfort et al. 2001, and e.g. Bailey 1999). J. Michael Bailey included a commentary on the above research; Bailey, it should be noted, conducted many of the muchpublicized "gay twin studies" which were used by gay advocates as support for the "born that way" theory. Neil Whitehead, Ph.D.

Bailey said, "These studies contain arguably the best published data on the association between homosexuality and psychopathology, and both converge on the same unhappy conclusion: homosexual people are at substantially higher risk for some forms of emotional problems, including suicidality, major depression, and anxiety disorder, conduct disorder, and nicotine dependence...The strength of the new studies is their degree of control."

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The second study (Fergusson et al. 1999) followed a large New Zealand group from birth to their early twenties. The "birth cohort" method of subject selection is especially reliable and free from most of the biases which bedevil surveys. This study showed a significantly higher occurrence of depression, anxiety disorder, conduct disorder, substance abuse and thoughts about suicide, amongst those who were homosexually active.

The third paper was a Netherlands study (Sandfort et al. 2001) which again showed a higher level of mental-health problems among homosexuals, but remarkably, subjects with HIV infection was not any more likely than those without HIV infection to suffer from mental health problems. People who are HIV-positive should at least be expected to be anxious or depressed!

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jimthefiend · 11-06-2006, 06:11 PM

Please note my dear friend Ubobs post above.

Pleasurepays · 11-06-2006, 06:14 PM

why are all the worst serial killers usually gay?

Holly Lez! · 11-06-2006, 06:27 PM

Wish all us gays could argue with you but we are too busy spreading the hidden gay agenda and selling faggotry porn! So sign up to www.nakeddollars.com to promote these poor mentally ill gay people!

Milkmans World · 11-06-2006, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

why are all the worst serial killers usually gay?

Name another other than Jeffrey Dhamer. Ted Bundy was much worse.

It stands to reason that gay people suffer more suicide, depression, bulimia, antisocial personality disorder, and substance abuse. They have been a heavily persecuted minority since time began, virtually everyone is brought up to believe that being straight is normal and being gay isn't.

Bottling up the feelings that everyone will be disappointed in you, be ashamed of you or maybe disown you, is going to cause higher rates of all those mental illnesses regardless of whether you are gay or not.

BoyAlley · 11-06-2006, 06:37 PM

U-bob, I'l agree with your statement that gays have a MUCH higher rate of depression and suicide.

Want to know why?

Because of the way they're often treated by society because of their sexuality.

The idiots commenting in this thread are a perfect example. Young gay men trying to come to grips with their sexuality facing the stigma that society places on them can indeed feel suicidal.

Blame Republicans, Religious Organizations, and rednecks on that.

BoyAlley · 11-06-2006, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Milkmans World

It stands to reason that gay people suffer more suicide, depression, bulimia, antisocial personality disorder, and substance abuse. They have been a heavily persecuted minority since time began, virtually everyone is brought up to believe that being straight is normal and being gay isn't.

Bottling up the feelings that everyone will be disappointed in you, be ashamed of you or maybe disown you, is going to cause higher rates of all those mental illnesses regardless of whether you are gay or not.

Yes exactly.

pocketkangaroo · 11-06-2006, 06:40 PM

u-Bob, the problem with their analysis is that they are using a factor that has many variables attached to it, including the social effects of being homosexual. It doesn't address why they are homosexual, but instead saying that they have similar side effects.

The problem with this is that any number of things can cause the increase in other mental illnesses. First, the social environment surrounding homosexual men. Although society is more tolerant of homosexuals, there is still a portion of the population who looks down upon them and makes life difficult. Does that social environment cause the other mental illnesses like depression? That line of thinking would be like saying obese people are mentally ill because they tend to get depressed more than non-obese people. While in actuality, the obesity may be the cause of the depression.

The other problem with the study is whether the mental illnesses are caused by something already biologically disposed to homosexuals. Scientific studies have shown that the brain and receptors in the brain of homosexual men are similar to heterosexual women and not men. Depression is much more prevelant in women. Does the fact that they are not biologically made up like a heterosexual male effect the increase in mental illness?

The strangest part of them using the twins study is that it actually leads to evidence of a genetic component to homosexuality. The fact that homosexuality is more prevelant between identical twins than fraternal twins shows a genetic component. Nonetheless, it's all how you spin the data I suppose.

Overall though, you're reading a site that has opposing views to almost all the professional mental health organizations, health care associations, and professional educators associations. Not saying your opinion is wrong, but you're certainly in the minority among most professionals in the field.

Pleasurepays · 11-06-2006, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Milkmans World

Name another other than Jeffrey Dhamer. Ted Bundy was much worse.

john wayne gacy
jeffrey dahmer
the freeway killer
randy craft
the butcher of kansas city - robert berdella
andrew cunanan (killed versace)
wayne williams
david hill
patrick wayne kearney
michael swango
dean corll
elmer wayne henley
donald harvey
gary ray bowles

the list is endless. most of the worlds worst serial killers were gay. its not a casual association.

BoyAlley · 11-06-2006, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

the list is endless. most of the worlds worst serial killers were gay. its not a casual association.

Let this be a warning to you breeders! Fear teh ghey!

Pleasurepays · 11-06-2006, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BoyAlley

Let this be a warning to you breeders! Fear teh ghey!

i fear asian drivers

MaddCaz · 11-06-2006, 07:40 PM

arent you banned???

2HousePlague · 11-06-2006, 07:42 PM

This thread is on the verge of becoming a useful discussion.

It seems folks are interested in figuring out whether gay happens to you before or after you are born. I really don't think it matters. Homosexuality does not need to defend itself with genetic entitlement. Nor is homosexuality in any way assailable on the grounds that it is entirely environmental in origin, if it is. And those who object to homosexuality, and seek it's marginalization, should attack it more directly than that.

DarkJedi suggested a comparison to pedophilia. Why not? The reason a pedophile is a pedophile only concerns us because we have already condemned his behavior, and would wish to prevent it from re-occurring. Let the enemies of homosexuality attack the behaviors of homosexuality and not the thing itself -- by trying to undermine its causality. If you believe that two men having sex (or whatever) should be a crime, then vote that way next time it comes up for ballot in your town. And then if you're still curious about the roots of homosexuality then vote for some bill to fund a study and find out.

If I were gay I would not be taken into this discussion at all. It's absurd that anyone should have to resort to genetic pre-disposition in order to justify who they are. In the case of every single human being, we are the result of both genetics and environment. Our behavior and our contributions to society reflect always both.

All that this is about -- all that this can be PERMITTED to be about -- is behavior. If the behaviors of homosexuality are sufficiently offensive to the rest of society that this keeps coming up, then homosexuals are going to have to deal with that. But contrarily, if all homosexuality's detractors have on it is the fact that God might not have put it there, then you'd just better go back to the drawing board. Neither is the fact that some serial killer was gay a compelling argument for abolition.

My own opinion is it's a combination of genetic "might suck a dick" coinciding with "look, it's a dick you could suck" -- it's hackneyed, but I think it's true that we're all at least a little gay. There is a level of "gay impulse" below which we suppress it because our society makes it impossible to have a gay experience without BEING GAY. At some point your nascent sexual psyche picks a team and you ride it out.

Those pushing the nurture argument should consider: Are gay people made by gay people or by straight people? Can anyone be made gay? Is being made gay irreversible?

What would you do if you got turned gay?

What we know about human behavior and what we know about young people, let's us pretty confidently predict that the first thing a newly-minted gay person probably does is go into the closet. How much time they spend there is another matter. That depends on them and that depends on what it's like outside their closet.

I've personally known people that you could tell they were obviously going to be gay from the minute they could talk. I've known people you would never guess were gay but were. I've known people that did not know they were gay but were. I've met "straight" gays who admitted to sucking a few dicks when they were "young". When I was in college I had a friend who went into the priesthood, then quit it, then got married and then got divorced before he let himself be gay.

To live in a society means you can't do everything you want. To live in a society means to agree to abide by the rules of that society. If your impulses are at odds with the rules of that society, you can...

1) Suppress them, or

2) Express them and face negative consequences, and/or

3) Find others who agree with you and assert your opinion in the government.

For the record, I vote gay is okay --

2hp

Samir_Nagheenanajar · 11-06-2006, 07:44 PM

you're fag Jim?

jimthefiend · 11-06-2006, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2HousePlague

This thread is on the verge of becoming a useful discussion.

It seems folks are interested in figuring out whether gay happens to you before or after you are born. I really don't think it matters. Homosexuality does not need to defend itself with genetic entitlement. Nor is homosexuality in any way assailable on the grounds that it is entirely environmental in origin, if it is. And those who object to homosexuality, and seek it's marginalization, should attack it more directly than that.

DarkJedi suggested a comparison to pedophilia. Why not? The reason a pedophile is a pedophile only concerns us because we have already condemned his behavior, and would wish to prevent it from re-occurring. Let the enemies of homosexuality attack the behaviors of homosexuality and not the thing itself -- by trying to undermine its causality. If you believe that two men having sex (or whatever) should be a crime, then vote that way next time it comes up for ballot in your town. And then if you're still curious about the roots of homosexuality then vote for some bill to fund a study and find out.

If I were gay I would not be taken into this discussion at all. It's absurd that anyone should have to resort to genetic pre-disposition in order to justify who they are. In the case of every single human being, we are the result of both genetics and environment. Our behavior and our contributions to society reflect always both.

All that this is about -- all that this can be PERMITTED to be about -- is behavior. If the behaviors of homosexuality are sufficiently offensive to the rest of society that this keeps coming up, then homosexuals are going to have to deal with that. But contrarily, if all homosexuality's detractors have on it is the fact that God might not have put it there, then you'd just better go back to the drawing board. Neither is the fact that some serial killer was gay a compelling argument for abolition.

My own opinion is it's a combination of genetic "might suck a dick" coinciding with "look, it's a dick you could suck" -- it's hackneyed, but I think it's true that we're all at least a little gay. There is a level of "gay impulse" below which we suppress it because our society makes it impossible to have a gay experience without BEING GAY. At some point your nascent sexual psyche picks a team and you ride it out.

Those pushing the nurture argument should consider: Are gay people made by gay people or by straight people? Can anyone be made gay? Is being made gay irreversible?

What would you do if you got turned gay?

What we know about human behavior and what we know about young people, let's us pretty confidently predict that the first thing a newly-minted gay person probably does is go into the closet. How much time they spend there is another matter. That depends on them and that depends on what it's like outside their closet.

I've personally known people that you could tell they were obviously going to be gay from the minute they could talk. I've known people you would never guess were gay but were. I've known people that did not know they were gay but were. I've met "straight" gays who admitted to sucking a few dicks when they were "young". When I was in college I had a friend who went into the priesthood, then quit it, then got married and then got divorced before he let himself be gay.

To live in a society means you can't do everything you want. To live in a society means to agree to abide by the rules of that society. If your impulses are at odds with the rules of that society, you can...

1) Suppress them, or

2) Express them and face negative consequences, and/or

3) Find others who agree with you and assert your opinion in the government.

For the record, I vote gay is okay --

2hp

Well thought out copy and paste man.

But seriously:

I'm not saying that the fudgepackers are subhuman or anything. I'm not that Evil FFS. I'm not a God Damned Nazi.

I'm just saying that they all need to be gently killed because they are useless to the Human Race. I wish NO ill will upon anyone, and hope we can do this with gas or injections or something as opposed to nooses or guns.

psili · 11-06-2006, 07:51 PM

I'm curious - is there a species on the planet that's predominately homosexual ?

Seriously.

In all honesty, I kind of dig the homosexuals because they don't procreate - it's like natural selection at its best. And they're generally pretty chill and friendly folk. It's the unchecked "breeders" (thank you BoyAlley, for that term), who I think are more of a problem this planet.

Pleasurepays · 11-06-2006, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by psili

I'm curious - is there a species on the planet that's predominately homosexual ?

Seriously.

wow.

notabook · 11-06-2006, 07:55 PM

Mmmmmmm, me likey the genocide.

psili · 11-06-2006, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

wow.

I'm no expert on the subject, thus the question.... I couldn't think of one that could exist past a couple of generations, but was still curious.

2HousePlague · 11-06-2006, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimthefiend

Well thought out copy and paste man.

But seriously:

I'm not saying that the fudgepackers are subhuman or anything. I'm not that Evil FFS. I'm not a God Damned Nazi.

I'm just saying that they all need to be gently killed because they are useless to the Human Race. I wish NO ill will upon anyone, and hope we can do this with gas or injections or something as opposed to nooses or guns.

There will be no gentle killing. People do not go voluntarily to their deaths. They have to be taken by force. Why don't you get in your car, drive in the direction of that part of town that so occupies your thoughts and show us how it's done. We'll keep our eyes open for ya on the news --

2hp

Pleasurepays · 11-06-2006, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by psili

I'm no expert on the subject, thus the question.... I couldn't think of one that could exist past a couple of generations, but was still curious.

from an evolutionary standpoint, does it stand to reason that any species of anything would be "predominately" unable to reproduce and survive as a species?

psili · 11-06-2006, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

from an evolutionary standpoint, does it stand to reason that any species of anything would be "predominately" unable to reproduce and survive as a species?

No.
No it doesn't.

I was just thinking there might be some plant species in somefuckingjungle where there's predominately male plants that house some homoplantlovingbeetle, that evolved along with such a plant species, and which pollinate the few female flowerers because of some strange eco-balance shit one pundit on this board might blast me for not knowing.

Otherwise, to answer your question again...No.
No it doesn't stand to reason that homosexuality is favorable for evolution.

pocketkangaroo · 11-06-2006, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by psili

I'm curious - is there a species on the planet that's predominately homosexual ?

Seriously.

In all honesty, I kind of dig the homosexuals because they don't procreate - it's like natural selection at its best. And they're generally pretty chill and friendly folk. It's the unchecked "breeders" (thank you BoyAlley, for that term), who I think are more of a problem this planet.

Giraffes have more same sex relations than heterosexual relations. They are also documented to engage in giant male orgies. Certain types of male sheep live in homosexual societies.

Although it's not all that common among species, it does happen. There are over 1500 species with documented homosexual tendencies.

All these mentally ill animals.

pocketkangaroo · 11-06-2006, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

from an evolutionary standpoint, does it stand to reason that any species of anything would be "predominately" unable to reproduce and survive as a species?

It's an interesting question and many scientists have theorized on how it is that after all these years of evolution, we still have homosexuals in society. Some believe that it is a female trait passed down, while some believe that in the animal kingdom, their homosexual and less aggressive behaivor allows them to live longer and eventually procreate out of instinct at some time in their life.

psili · 11-06-2006, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

It's an interesting question and many scientists have theorized on how it is that after all these years of evolution, we still have homosexuals in society. Some believe that it is a female trait passed down, while some believe that in the animal kingdom, their homosexual and less aggressive behaivor allows them to live longer and eventually procreate out of instinct at some time in their life.

I'd call that bisexuality or the unchecked cock urge to just wanna stick it in a pipe-shaped area and thrust -- like the "shock" image of the dude with his cock up the tail pipe of a eastern-block-made car.

Thank you for your post though - reaffirms one should never write "in fact" because there's always something they don't know.

who · 08-03-2007, 09:22 AM

+++ Bump.... ++++

jigg · 08-03-2007, 10:28 AM

yup
gays dont procreate, neva eva

wonder how 3 of my friend's got knocked up by gay guys then. Some of them even got married to each other

tranza · 08-03-2007, 10:43 AM

Just passing by............

u-Bob · 08-03-2007, 01:12 PM

a cure for geyhnes...

xroach · 08-03-2007, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Sexbankroll

I know lots of gay people, and as far as i can tell, a good bunch of them are not mentally ill, but good people!

The mentally ill can't be good people ?

Jimmer · 08-03-2007, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimthefiend

Just tossing that out there.

Sorry you are wrong. It has been removed from the DSM-III:
Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, This third edition of the manual published by the American Psychiatric Association to set forth diagnostic criteria, descriptions and other information to guide the diagnosis of mental disorders.

Brother Bilo · 08-03-2007, 02:05 PM

Homosexuals are Gay

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11-06-2006, 06:37 PM	#64
BoyAlley So Fucking Gay Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 19,714	U-bob, I'l agree with your statement that gays have a MUCH higher rate of depression and suicide. Want to know why? Because of the way they're often treated by society because of their sexuality. The idiots commenting in this thread are a perfect example. Young gay men trying to come to grips with their sexuality facing the stigma that society places on them can indeed feel suicidal. Blame Republicans, Religious Organizations, and rednecks on that.

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pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	u-Bob, the problem with their analysis is that they are using a factor that has many variables attached to it, including the social effects of being homosexual. It doesn't address why they are homosexual, but instead saying that they have similar side effects. The problem with this is that any number of things can cause the increase in other mental illnesses. First, the social environment surrounding homosexual men. Although society is more tolerant of homosexuals, there is still a portion of the population who looks down upon them and makes life difficult. Does that social environment cause the other mental illnesses like depression? That line of thinking would be like saying obese people are mentally ill because they tend to get depressed more than non-obese people. While in actuality, the obesity may be the cause of the depression. The other problem with the study is whether the mental illnesses are caused by something already biologically disposed to homosexuals. Scientific studies have shown that the brain and receptors in the brain of homosexual men are similar to heterosexual women and not men. Depression is much more prevelant in women. Does the fact that they are not biologically made up like a heterosexual male effect the increase in mental illness? The strangest part of them using the twins study is that it actually leads to evidence of a genetic component to homosexuality. The fact that homosexuality is more prevelant between identical twins than fraternal twins shows a genetic component. Nonetheless, it's all how you spin the data I suppose. Overall though, you're reading a site that has opposing views to almost all the professional mental health organizations, health care associations, and professional educators associations. Not saying your opinion is wrong, but you're certainly in the minority among most professionals in the field.

11-06-2006, 07:42 PM	#71
2HousePlague CURATOR Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: the attic Posts: 14,572	This thread is on the verge of becoming a useful discussion. It seems folks are interested in figuring out whether gay happens to you before or after you are born. I really don't think it matters. Homosexuality does not need to defend itself with genetic entitlement. Nor is homosexuality in any way assailable on the grounds that it is entirely environmental in origin, if it is. And those who object to homosexuality, and seek it's marginalization, should attack it more directly than that. DarkJedi suggested a comparison to pedophilia. Why not? The *reason* a pedophile is a pedophile only concerns us because we have already condemned his behavior, and would wish to prevent it from re-occurring. Let the enemies of homosexuality attack the *behaviors* of homosexuality and not the thing itself -- by trying to undermine its causality. If you believe that two men having sex (or whatever) should be a crime, then vote that way next time it comes up for ballot in your town. And then if you're still curious about the roots of homosexuality then vote for some bill to fund a study and find out. If I were gay I would not be taken into this discussion at all. It's absurd that anyone should have to resort to genetic pre-disposition in order to justify who they are. In the case of every single human being, we are the result of *both* genetics and environment. Our behavior and our contributions to society reflect always both. All that this is about -- all that this can be PERMITTED to be about -- is behavior. If the behaviors of homosexuality are sufficiently offensive to the rest of society that this keeps coming up, then homosexuals are going to have to deal with that. But contrarily, if all homosexuality's detractors have on it is the fact that God might not have put it there, then you'd just better go back to the drawing board. Neither is the fact that some serial killer was gay a compelling argument for abolition. My own opinion is it's a combination of genetic "might suck a dick" coinciding with "look, it's a dick you could suck" -- it's hackneyed, but I think it's true that we're all at least a little gay. There is a level of "gay impulse" below which we suppress it because our society makes it impossible to have a gay experience without BEING GAY. At some point your nascent sexual psyche picks a team and you ride it out. Those pushing the nurture argument should consider: Are gay people made by gay people or by straight people? Can anyone be made gay? Is being made gay irreversible? What would *you* do if you got turned gay? What we know about human behavior and what we know about young people, let's us pretty confidently predict that the first thing a newly-minted gay person probably does is go into the closet. How much time they spend there is another matter. That depends on them and that depends on what it's like outside their closet. I've personally known people that you could tell they were obviously going to be gay from the minute they could talk. I've known people you would never guess were gay but were. I've known people that did *not know* they were gay but were. I've met "straight" gays who admitted to sucking a few dicks when they were "young". When I was in college I had a friend who went into the priesthood, then quit it, then got married and then got divorced before he let himself be gay. To live in a society means you can't do everything you want. To live in a society means to agree to abide by the rules of that society. If your impulses are at odds with the rules of that society, you can... 1) Suppress them, or 2) Express them and face negative consequences, and/or 3) Find others who agree with you and assert your opinion in the government. For the record, I vote gay is okay -- 2hp __________________ tada!

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psili Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Loveland, CO Posts: 5,526	I'm curious - is there a species on the planet that's predominately homosexual ? Seriously. In all honesty, I kind of dig the homosexuals because they don't procreate - it's like natural selection at its best. And they're generally pretty chill and friendly folk. It's the unchecked "breeders" (thank you BoyAlley, for that term), who I think are more of a problem this planet. __________________ Your post count means nothing.

11-06-2006, 07:55 PM	#76
notabook Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Not a Library! Posts: 9,748	Mmmmmmm, me likey the genocide. __________________

08-03-2007, 09:22 AM	#84
who So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: ICQ #23642053 Posts: 19,593	+++ Bump.... ++++

08-03-2007, 10:28 AM	#85
jigg Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,527	yup gays dont procreate, neva eva wonder how 3 of my friend's got knocked up by gay guys then. Some of them even got married to each other __________________ ...... eight,eight,two,eight,eight,four,two ......

08-03-2007, 10:43 AM	#86
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	Just passing by............ __________________ I'm just a newbie.

08-03-2007, 01:12 PM	#87
u-Bob there's no $$$ in porn Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: icq: 195./568.-230 (btw: not getting offline msgs) Posts: 33,063	a cure for geyhnes...

08-03-2007, 02:05 PM	#90
Brother Bilo Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: I live in cage Posts: 4,193	Homosexuals are Gay __________________