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Name one who has "research" that hasnt been laughed out of the room.



There is NO basis for for claiming there is a "gay gene". Fact.

Show me fag boy.


Show me the press release talking about how they mapped the gay gene.


You can't.

I didn't have privy to the actual experiment so I apologize for having to take the word of the scientists. I've seen few people try and discredit the experiment, and almost all of them are from religous groups who have a vested interest in the study (and genetics as a whole).

Like I said, maybe I'm wrong, but I'll side with the genetic scientists who have lifetimes of experience and education on the subject.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2404109.stm

Also, the American Psychiatric Association does not list homosexuality as a mental illness and in fact removed it decades ago. But then again, they could be wrong just like the genetic scientists.

So you believe that you are a bad role model or two away from fucking guys in the ass?

It's like every single human trait, it's influenced by both genes and environment.

Hmm, I wonder if environment has any affect? If the evolutionary component in Genetics is to be believed, then environment has a direct affect. I wonder what environment may have affected them? Maybe genetic material transfer through protein milkshakes?

I'm sorry, when did google become the know all here? I believe google is a search engine, searching through millions of websites for the word faggot or faggotry. Why is it google's fault about the misuse of the english language?

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&cl...Search&met a=

If jimthefiend has a master degree, he should have known that it isn't a word.. he used a complicated word such as "proclivity", i wonder why a person with a masters degree would discredit himself from the first?

Now, i would like to think about why someone would say something along the lines of "FACT: Faggotry is NOT a genetically inherited proclivity, It's a mental illness". You could say that it's a desperate cry for attention, and the only way he knows how to get it is by saying controversial statements and watching with glee. I think that type of behaviour reflects mental illness. Or is that apart of your genetic makeup?

Does it truly matter?

R

I never thought it was a word either but, I checked the online dictionary - dictionary dot com, and it's in there.



I think that guy Ted Haggard would say something like that.

Yep......

Also, I'm pretty good looking and smart, I'm also a big strapping guy; so I've never had a problem with the broads or getting pussy.


Alot of little fucking scrawny guys that have that brain meltdown and try to write off the simple fact that they are just fundamentally unattractive to women.

So what do they do?

They begin to HATE women and start to love the cock.

After they get a few score peeners up the butt, they start to take on gay mannerisms and such.

They start acting a little odd.

Not like a boy, not like a girl.





Thats pretty fucking gay.

fiddy..........

Fairly sure it's quite known that it's natural.. Jim just has big balls and licks big balls.

Matt

Can we talk about how fags spread disease and cultural disfunction now?

i'd start another thread on it:2 cents:

Will do. Thanks man.




Its gonna be like outer space here for the next few days.



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You aren't as good as PimpDogg! Stop trying! He was fun to argue with! you are not orginal...

FACT: people who yell the loudest against homos, are fucking male escorts on the side.

Why give this shit the time it doesnt deserve? Jim doesnt believe this, hes just being a cock. And in any case, you dont need to argue him down as a) you will never turn his point of view and b) his point of view doesnt matter to a single gay man or lesbian. Who gives a fuck what he thinks? You dont like it Jim? Dont look!

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Please note my dear friend Ubobs post above.


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why are all the worst serial killers usually gay?

Wish all us gays could argue with you but we are too busy spreading the hidden gay agenda and selling faggotry porn! So sign up to www.nakeddollars.com to promote these poor mentally ill gay people!

Name another other than Jeffrey Dhamer. Ted Bundy was much worse.

It stands to reason that gay people suffer more suicide, depression, bulimia, antisocial personality disorder, and substance abuse. They have been a heavily persecuted minority since time began, virtually everyone is brought up to believe that being straight is normal and being gay isn't.

Bottling up the feelings that everyone will be disappointed in you, be ashamed of you or maybe disown you, is going to cause higher rates of all those mental illnesses regardless of whether you are gay or not.

u-Bob, the problem with their analysis is that they are using a factor that has many variables attached to it, including the social effects of being homosexual. It doesn't address why they are homosexual, but instead saying that they have similar side effects.

The problem with this is that any number of things can cause the increase in other mental illnesses. First, the social environment surrounding homosexual men. Although society is more tolerant of homosexuals, there is still a portion of the population who looks down upon them and makes life difficult. Does that social environment cause the other mental illnesses like depression? That line of thinking would be like saying obese people are mentally ill because they tend to get depressed more than non-obese people. While in actuality, the obesity may be the cause of the depression.

The other problem with the study is whether the mental illnesses are caused by something already biologically disposed to homosexuals. Scientific studies have shown that the brain and receptors in the brain of homosexual men are similar to heterosexual women and not men. Depression is much more prevelant in women. Does the fact that they are not biologically made up like a heterosexual male effect the increase in mental illness?

The strangest part of them using the twins study is that it actually leads to evidence of a genetic component to homosexuality. The fact that homosexuality is more prevelant between identical twins than fraternal twins shows a genetic component. Nonetheless, it's all how you spin the data I suppose.

Overall though, you're reading a site that has opposing views to almost all the professional mental health organizations, health care associations, and professional educators associations. Not saying your opinion is wrong, but you're certainly in the minority among most professionals in the field.

john wayne gacy
jeffrey dahmer
the freeway killer
randy craft
the butcher of kansas city - robert berdella
andrew cunanan (killed versace)
wayne williams
david hill
patrick wayne kearney
michael swango
dean corll
elmer wayne henley
donald harvey
gary ray bowles


the list is endless. most of the worlds worst serial killers were gay. its not a casual association.

i fear asian drivers

arent you banned???

This thread is on the verge of becoming a useful discussion.

It seems folks are interested in figuring out whether gay happens to you before or after you are born. I really don't think it matters. Homosexuality does not need to defend itself with genetic entitlement. Nor is homosexuality in any way assailable on the grounds that it is entirely environmental in origin, if it is. And those who object to homosexuality, and seek it's marginalization, should attack it more directly than that.

DarkJedi suggested a comparison to pedophilia. Why not? The reason a pedophile is a pedophile only concerns us because we have already condemned his behavior, and would wish to prevent it from re-occurring. Let the enemies of homosexuality attack the behaviors of homosexuality and not the thing itself -- by trying to undermine its causality. If you believe that two men having sex (or whatever) should be a crime, then vote that way next time it comes up for ballot in your town. And then if you're still curious about the roots of homosexuality then vote for some bill to fund a study and find out.

If I were gay I would not be taken into this discussion at all. It's absurd that anyone should have to resort to genetic pre-disposition in order to justify who they are. In the case of every single human being, we are the result of both genetics and environment. Our behavior and our contributions to society reflect always both.

All that this is about -- all that this can be PERMITTED to be about -- is behavior. If the behaviors of homosexuality are sufficiently offensive to the rest of society that this keeps coming up, then homosexuals are going to have to deal with that. But contrarily, if all homosexuality's detractors have on it is the fact that God might not have put it there, then you'd just better go back to the drawing board. Neither is the fact that some serial killer was gay a compelling argument for abolition.

My own opinion is it's a combination of genetic "might suck a dick" coinciding with "look, it's a dick you could suck" -- it's hackneyed, but I think it's true that we're all at least a little gay. There is a level of "gay impulse" below which we suppress it because our society makes it impossible to have a gay experience without BEING GAY. At some point your nascent sexual psyche picks a team and you ride it out.

Those pushing the nurture argument should consider: Are gay people made by gay people or by straight people? Can anyone be made gay? Is being made gay irreversible?

What would you do if you got turned gay?

What we know about human behavior and what we know about young people, let's us pretty confidently predict that the first thing a newly-minted gay person probably does is go into the closet. How much time they spend there is another matter. That depends on them and that depends on what it's like outside their closet.

I've personally known people that you could tell they were obviously going to be gay from the minute they could talk. I've known people you would never guess were gay but were. I've known people that did not know they were gay but were. I've met "straight" gays who admitted to sucking a few dicks when they were "young". When I was in college I had a friend who went into the priesthood, then quit it, then got married and then got divorced before he let himself be gay.

To live in a society means you can't do everything you want. To live in a society means to agree to abide by the rules of that society. If your impulses are at odds with the rules of that society, you can...

1) Suppress them, or

2) Express them and face negative consequences, and/or

3) Find others who agree with you and assert your opinion in the government.

For the record, I vote gay is okay -- :thumbsup

2hp

you're fag Jim?

Well thought out copy and paste man. :thumbsup :thumbsup

But seriously:


I'm not saying that the fudgepackers are subhuman or anything. I'm not that Evil FFS. I'm not a God Damned Nazi.

I'm just saying that they all need to be gently killed because they are useless to the Human Race. I wish NO ill will upon anyone, and hope we can do this with gas or injections or something as opposed to nooses or guns.

I'm curious - is there a species on the planet that's predominately homosexual ?

Seriously.

In all honesty, I kind of dig the homosexuals because they don't procreate - it's like natural selection at its best. And they're generally pretty chill and friendly folk. It's the unchecked "breeders" (thank you BoyAlley, for that term), who I think are more of a problem this planet.

wow.

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Mmmmmmm, me likey the genocide.

I'm no expert on the subject, thus the question.... I couldn't think of one that could exist past a couple of generations, but was still curious.

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Originally Posted by jimthefiend (Post 11258830) Well thought out copy and paste man. :thumbsup :thumbsup But seriously: I'm not saying that the fudgepackers are subhuman or anything. I'm not that Evil FFS. I'm not a God Damned Nazi. I'm just saying that they all need to be gently killed because they are useless to the Human Race. I wish NO ill will upon anyone, and hope we can do this with gas or injections or something as opposed to nooses or guns.

There will be no gentle killing. People do not go voluntarily to their deaths. They have to be taken by force. Why don't you get in your car, drive in the direction of that part of town that so occupies your thoughts and show us how it's done. We'll keep our eyes open for ya on the news -- :thumbsup

2hp

from an evolutionary standpoint, does it stand to reason that any species of anything would be "predominately" unable to reproduce and survive as a species?

No.
No it doesn't.

I was just thinking there might be some plant species in somefuckingjungle where there's predominately male plants that house some homoplantlovingbeetle, that evolved along with such a plant species, and which pollinate the few female flowerers because of some strange eco-balance shit one pundit on this board might blast me for not knowing.

Otherwise, to answer your question again...No.
No it doesn't stand to reason that homosexuality is favorable for evolution.