Use a condom

First time, pro choice... second or third time it happens, she should be spayed. Some girls use it instead of birth control and I think that's pretty twisted.

People can flame away, but my first recommendation to any pregnant girl under 18 would be to abort with all due haste. Ending one potential life is infinitely preferable to ruining 2 (or more) by becoming a teen mother.

Worse. Said it was ok to fuck her without a condom because she was on the Pill. Then agreed to abort when she "turned up" pregnant. Then flaked on the appointment. Then said she was giving the baby up for adoption, end of story.

Meanwhile, he moves away... she has the baby, doesn't give it up, goes on welfare and sends DA after biodad. He's blindsided by her having not done what she promised. Auntie is not surprised by deception of teenaged girl who didn't do the FIRST thing she agreed to, tells nephew, "You should have stuck with oral, and NEVER believe a girl when she says, 'I'm on the Pill, it's ok!' you dumbshit." So now he's got a child support payment for the next 18 years or so. High price to pay for some drunken teenaged sex.

Oh yes, she did get knocked up. And what responsibility? The kid is stupid and still in high school, she doesn't even have a car, not to mention money for birth control pills. He had at least a shitbox car and a part time low life job, he could have taken her to the doctor and on the pill before he took her into the woods, fed her a kakamimi story about how much he loved her and stuck his dick in, before he dumped her to the curb.

3. Have the baby, give it to a loving family unable to conceive that are dying inside at their inability to have a child of their own. Finish school, goto college, get a job,.......


Why would she have to go on welfare just cause she has a baby? Her mother is unable to help out watching the baby? Thats what grandmas are for. Sorry but thats a bullshit excuse for killing a child. What you said boils down to what I said before selfishness.

Parents make sacrifices for their children every hour of every day. Why does her mistake absolve her from the responsibility of raising the child you created?

You are absolutely clueless, you never even had children or you wouldn't post stupid messages like this. Why go on welfare??? "...hy don't they eat cake?"

Because not everybody is fucking rich in America and not enverything is free in America. You watched too much West Side Story.

"...mother...help out watching the baby"

This is America, people here have to work two or three jobs to make car payments, pay their mortgages, not to mention pay for gas to get to work.

A 38 year old mother with two teenage kids has a very hard time to even get around. If you ever had kids you knew that "watching the baby" doesn't cut it. Hello! A baby needs 24/7 attention in the first 3 or 4 years, you can't even let them alone for one minute.

"absolve her from responsisbility" Fucking catholic too!

"..."and give it up for adoption". How fucking cruel is that? You know what you need? You need to carry a child inside of you for nine month, then give birth, then breastfeed it, and then give it up for adoption, and see how that feels. That would be a nice reality check for your holy catholic ass.

So it was all his fault? How about she kept her legs closed. It's the responsibility of BOTH people.

If you think as little of him as you appear to in his post, why would you want him around anyways. The funny thing is, are friends of HIS parents are more than likely sitting around talking about the cheap whore that got pregnant because she was too stupid to be on birth control.

Are they right? Perhaps. Are YOU right? Perhaps. But like I said, there's TWO sides to every story, and in this case TWO people who need to take responsiblity. Not just one.

Oh, one more thing...it's common knowledge that women mature faster than men, so that 20 year old guy probably has about as much intelligence as your friend's 17 year old daughter.

Of course both have a part in it, I don't deny that. If you look around with open eyes you'll still see that there are a lot of single teenage moms out there, WHO GOT KNOCKED UP and didn't abort.
While their b/fs move on, go to college, join the Navy, and finally straighen out and get a carreer, the girl is fucked, because it takes about 20 years of DAILY attention and lots of MONEY to raise a kid.

You can easily be against abortion and "pro life" and don't give a shit about birth control, if you, as a guy, can just walk out of the door and wave your responsibilities bye bye. What's the worst that can happen to you as a guy. If you finally get a job they make you pay 75 bucks a week in child support, if the girl has the money and the nerve to get an attorney. As a woman you have to mature faster, that's it.

Well, I don't know about where you live, but where I live the woman has many options after opening up her legs to whoever.

Without a job, she WOULD qualify for daycare subsidy so she'd pay $1 a day for childcare while she finished high school. Instead of going out on weeknights and weekends, she'd have to get a parttime job and study.

Then, she could apply and again, would surely get a student loan. That would pay for her college education and she'd still have her daycare subsidy.

So, where I live at least, there are options. Would it be easy? Hell no. But those are the consequences for not keeping your legs closed.

Note 1-I'm using the "Not keeping her legs closed in direct contrast to your "Got knocked up". Don't mistake that as me making excuses for the man whatsoever. I blame BOTH parties and make excuses for neither. He'd no doubt have it easier, even if he HAD to pay child support. But to make it out like her life is over I don't agree with. If people continue to blame him and make excuses FOR her, it'll take a lot longer FOR her to grow up and give her and her baby a decent life.

Note 2-I'm pro-choice and have two kids of my own.

Little background on me. We have 2 children, and 1 on the way. I work from home and watch my kids everyday. Try doing web work, design, and encoding with a 2 year old, and a 6 year old who need lunches made, and diapers changed. You are preaching to the fucking choir my dear. Doctors appointments, picking up my oldest at school, buying toys they want, list goes on and on. We had it fucking rough for a while and we made it through. Comes down to one reason to abort. SELFISHNESS!!

How you equate cruelness with adoption, and not with snuffing a life out before it has a chance to take its first breath is beyond me. You give more validity to the girl who willing spread her legs FULLY knowing the possible consequences, then a innocent child that never even had a chance to make a mistake.

Why you dont see how twisted your logic is, is beyond me.

I actually find that scenario advantageous when compared with someone who has a job to leave the house for.

Sure it can get annoying with them at home, but trying to find a job that will let you frequently take time off for sick kids, doctor appointments, PAYING for daycare etc. would be a much harder task imo.

Then his dad should pay the support for not teaching him that chicks inherently lie.

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You can't be serious. You know how many kids there are in the system that will never be adopted?

It actually IS better for these women to have abortions -- even if it's their tenth one in 10 years -- than for them to party all during their pregnancies so their children don't develp properly, keep the kids because it's too heart-wrenching (and selfless) to let them be adopted, and then neglect or abuse them until they can finally kick them out.

If you think it's selfish to abort a child, how selfish is it to do all these other things to it for years and years, making it completely ill-prepared for a happy life?

Unwanted pregnancies are a lose-lose situation in the first place. It's best to just nip it in the bud than to let it balloon into an even worse situation for everybody!

Abortions should be mandatory unless people prove worthy to breed!

You are being vague.... Clarify Kids, or infants? Infants? There are couples waiting on long long lists. Lots of them end up going overseas to get a child. Do some research and you can verify that.

I think abortion is good. Before Roe VS Wade aborthion was illegal and there were women dying all over the place along with their fetsus laying right by their side. Plus there were cases in which people would see little fetuses dumped in garbage cans and other crazy places. The point is that regardless of what YOU think, abortions are going to happen. Legal/Illegal it does not matter. This abortion is a political issue not a human rights issue. History always repeats itself. When Roe vs Wade is turned over like it was in history, then all of a sudden you would see pro lifers change their opinions. They change opinions because they then find women AND babies dropping like flies because mommy shoved a hanger in her uterus and bled to death. So I say make the best of what you got. Use abortions to create stem cells. You can show little baby fetusus being flung across the room all day however that still will not stop them. I say keep women safe and leave abortions legal and legislated.

Well my wife has only had her greencard for about 4 or 5 years now. I was the only one working back then, and had to work 70-80 hours in order to cut muster. There are always options. Those who say there aren't haven't looked hard enough. Personally Id work in a coal mine if I had to, to make sure my kids were taken care of. :2 cents:

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I agree. We should also open up the jails and do away with prosecuting criminals because there will always be crime. [/sarcasm]

Last time I checked, we were discussing abortion. Not crime. I will only say this..... HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF. I think abortion is brutal but it will not stop, in fact there would be even more..... think about that and not retort with jails and crime....

http://www.childrenshomepgh.org/chp.asp?SectionID=1


http://www.thevillagefamily.org/prog...onprocess.html
Registration List:
The waiting time is approximately 1-1/2 to 2 years.

Know a girl who doesn't know what to do and is pregnant?

http://www.adoptionnetwork.com/waiti...chresults.html

Read it a few more times you get it.

Look up this word. "analogy"

See what I did was compare Abortion, to Crime. Just to show you its silly to say "its going to happen anyways, so why bother"

Try to keep up. :winkwink:

I hate analogies! :Oh crap

DO YOU HAVE KIDS????? I have one and I suport it MY SELF without welfare and Without a grandmother near by. and I don't think I'm FUCKED, I didn't get the time to finishing my carreer BUT I WILL. He is 2 now and He goes to kinder (I don't know how you call it: the spanish word is maternal, for under 3 years old) I can work and I'm doing a couple of courses.

So DON'T GIVE ME SHIT

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Well I think a person who would do THAT doesn't have to have a choice! She should get an abortion and the doctor should make sure she WON'T GET PREGNANT NEVER AGAIN!

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The concept of sacrifice is sorely lacking today. [sarcasm]Long live selfishness. [/sarcasm]

The question for me is this... Why do you want to save her? If she can't take responsabilities for her own actions and it's willing to KILL so she doesn't need to worry about ANYTHING... then... WHY SAVE HER?

Natalia, for the most part, they are the same people who are too selfish and lazy to use protection in the first place that get pregnant and seek abortions frivilously.

Sure, if everyone were nice and responsible, it would be a great solution if all the unplanned pregnancies were from healthy mothers who respect the lives growing inside them, eat healthy and avoid stress to nurture the embryos and fetuses to full term babies, give birth, and then selflessly give up the child to a caring family unable to produce their own children... but we know that the world is really full of selfish, lazy people who don't do anything that doesn't suit them. And because of these less-than-stellar human beings, we need to have freely available abortions.

It makes sense that a woman should get to choose, but people should be more educated about how horrible an abortion is and the after effects. The idea that it is sometimes used as a contraceptive is horrible.

Ok, taking responsibility..... yes abortion is taking responsibility! Why save her? WOW-WEE!!! That was a truly remarkable response. Abortion is sort of a luxury if you think about it. Theoretically, a woman can have all the sex she wants and can never worry about anything. In fact, she can make a contribution to science with an aborted fetus. Listen, if you give responses like that, I am going to retort you the same way. Kill the mother??? Come on girl, you are obviously a young lady and cannot remember life before roe vs wade. Before roe vs wade lots of pro life-ers changed their tune to legislated abortion as a result of all of the deaths associated with illegal abortion.

The reason for this is they have mocking birded over and over and over. Its her choice her choice her choice. They make it seem like its easier than getting a haircut. They also repeat over and over that its not a living thing, clump of cells, blah blah.

When the reality is they forcefully remove what will be a human being if left alone to develop.

Believe you me. If we were talking about giving animals abortions there would be mass protests and cars set on fire. lol

If a woman wants to have all the sex she wants first off.... Fucking retarded if she isnt using at least a condom if she is having multibile partners, and secondly. If she has no urge for having children she should get her tubes tied. Less invasive than an abortion too.


Btw "roe" is a pro life advocate now.

I think it is a very personal issue that most women do not take lightly. I am sure there are many reasons as to why a woman or couple would choose to take this option.

:thumbsup I agree with that statement. I was responding to the "kill the mother" response. With regards to roe vs wade, the judgement is still in favor of abortion which protects adult women that choose to have an abortion. Regardless of my position and yours we are going to disagree. Here is the thing you are wrong and I am right. So take that!!!:winkwink:

I think abortion is morally wrong, but not any more wrong than forcing a child to live with a mother and father who dont want it.

Please tell me you were joking in this posting? If a man does not want a child he has the option to keep it in his pants. That is the best way to make sure you don't have a kid. He can also always use a condom and make sure that the woman he is with is on a birth control method. Birth control should work both ways, not just be on the woman. If a woman gets pregnant then she is the one that has the right to choose. It is her body that the fetus is in. That man you are referring to did not become a father against his will. He was there willingly when the baby was made, unless she raped him. Anytime you have sex you know there is a risk involved. Not just pregnancy but std's as well. I think that both people need to take resposibility for protection. I have heard to many men say it is the girls responsibility to be on something. They don't like how the condom feels. Men that that are idiots.

Pro choice..women should have the right to choose

Ive said this before, but they completely had a choice, same as the father did. take precautions or dont fuck. :winkwink:

Why should the protection always be on the women? Yeah she should be using some form of protection but so should the men. If a man does not want any children they can go get a vasectomy. I always here the women should get their tubes tied. Well you men should get a vasectomy, then you can have all the sex you want and not worry about having children.

All I can say is that everything is a choice, there isn't a saying that I don't have a choice..

Thats not what I said I said " If a woman wants to have all the sex she wants" As should a man, and I said they should be wearing a condom. This would apply to a man also. If a man doesnt want any children he should get snipped also, and if he isn't just with one partner he should be using protection. I was talking specifically to woman and men that whore around. :winkwink:

I have a son that is probably almost as old as you, and had a daughter when you were still marching around the girl scout tent. The English word is "daycare" or, "kindergarden" deriving from the almost similar German noun "Kindergarten". Also, you only capitlize the perssonal pronoun "He" if you are writing about God. Anyway, good luck with your career.

Gosch! Can anybody explain to me why all these people come to my country and try to tell me how shit is being done here. Do I go to fucking easter pipi land and tell people down there what to do?

Pro-choice, regardless of circumstances, EXCEPT when it comes to late-term abortions. The only way I support LT abortions is if there is an extreme health risk to the mother.

I?m pro-choice and it really comes down to the definition of ?choice? for me. If you are personally anti-abortion or don?t want an abortion, it?s simple?don?t fucking have one. Why should you impose your personal choice that you freely made on me? And why in god?s name should you attempt to legislate that choice?

If the US outlawed abortion, it wouldn?t stop abortion. If I wanted one, I would travel to a country where it wasn?t illegal and so would millions of other women who had the means. What you would see, however, is an increase in back alley abortions for teenage girls and underprivileged women and a heavier burden on the welfare system. The only people who would be having their unwanted babies would be people who couldn?t travel to have a legal abortion in another country. More welfare mothers, more kids in the foster care system, more burden on the government, and more unwanted children all around.

Jane... I sorry to say I know a couple of 23 years old that already have two abortions, just because they are too stupid to use protection.

I think It shouldn't be legal unless it's a MUST situation.

Because if SOCIETY tells IT'S OK to have an abortion by making it LEGAL... Then... there's no turning back.

Sorry but are you refering to me? because I thought this was a poll about the abortion as an issue. Not "the Abortion in US". Do you have a problem with me saying what I think about abortion?

What about protection???