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  • RealityWife
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    • Jun 2004
    • 358

    #31
    Originally posted by Bossman
    Traffic will always be worth something to someone - paysites, content etc. will not
    I have to disagree. Good Content is where it is at.
    Last edited by RealityWife; 11-06-2006, 02:19 PM.
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    • Tullian Zombie
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      • May 2006
      • 302

      #32
      Heh. I'm kicking myself for not staying with photography! I took several photog. courses in college and was pretty good at it. I even won a few amateur photographer awards in Kansas City.

      Because now that I promote For Women programs, I see that we don't have enough content.

      If I would have stuck with it, I could shoot content for these programs and make a business out of it. Not an extraordinary lucrative one, but decent enough to justify doing it.



      My photography was more artsy-fartsy anyway. Like B&W autospy tables (long story).


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      • Quotealex
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        • Sep 2001
        • 6265

        #33
        With all the BS many paysites are pulling on affiliates, they are kinda forcing affiliates to start their own paysites.

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        • BlackCrayon
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          • Jun 2003
          • 19634

          #34
          i'd say 10% will actually become profitable paysite owners in the future. i've thought about it myself, i think i have some great domain names for paysites and some fairly original ideas but i doubt i would ever go the affiliate program route. simply too much work and too many employees needed.
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          • Paul Markham
            Too old to care
            • Jun 2001
            • 52942

            #35
            Originally posted by jayeff
            Only if you have trouble delegating and/or hiring the right people.

            Running an affiliate program has obvious appeal. This is a cheap-assed business, so if you have decent quality traffic it is far better to market to it yourself than simply sell it. Unfortunately becoming an affiliate opens its own can of worms and I think what aggravates me most about being an affiliate is how many people I'm supposed to take seriously (or at least should be able to take seriously) that in other circumstances I wouldn't hire to make the tea.

            Opening your own site doesn't have to mean trying to run a huge business, but it is still going to force several roles on you and leave you with less freedom than the average affiliate as to how you spend your time. Also and although it will vary from site to site, you may have to start handing off work at a relatively low income level. That isn't something everyone wants to do or is necessarily good at dealing with.
            Great post as always.



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            • marketsmart
              HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER
              • Dec 2004
              • 20419

              #36
              im sure alot already have...

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              • Paul Markham
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                • Jun 2001
                • 52942

                #37
                Originally posted by Bossman
                I know whales who would never open an affiliate/paysite program, because they do something that works.

                Traffic will always be worth something to someone - paysites, content etc. will not
                So let me see if I have this right.

                The whales have the most important thing (traffic) and sell it to the people with something of less value (paysites/content).

                Great logic.

                Bottom line is if all you have is traffic it's costing you money, until you sell it.

                Who will pay more for it, the guy with a paysite or the guy without? And please do not come back with a clever answer, the buyer who can't monetise the traffic is never going to have the money to spend, the traffic that can't be turned into money is not worth buying.



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                • Paul Markham
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                  • Jun 2001
                  • 52942

                  #38
                  I am not talking about affiliates running affiliate programs. I asked about affiliates opening a paysite or paysites. Never asked about running programs.



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                  • tenderobject
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                    • Dec 2004
                    • 11688

                    #39
                    Originally posted by $5 submissions
                    I used to think that was the natural progression but being a good affiliate and a good program owner are two completely different things. Each job has a different management level. Also, owning a program involves being: content manager, promotions manager, webmaster support manager, fraud detective, and server security guard. Sure, many of these tasks can be outsourced but being a program owner definitely means a major STEP UP in terms of effort and vigilance. Not all affiliates have the time or inclination to put in that effort when they are already doing quite well by being affiliates.

                    Just my 2 cents on this matter
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                    • Bossman
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                      • Jun 2006
                      • 1263

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Paul Markham
                      Who will pay more for it, the guy with a paysite or the guy without?
                      The company who needs traffic will pay the most for it - and that doesn´t always mean a paysite. Is Google thinking about getting more traffic to sell or building paysites for their traffic?

                      Find something you are good at, and run with it... a paysite is not the holy grail in this business - there are companies and people making millions without owning paysites!
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                      • Mr. E
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                        • Mar 2006
                        • 453

                        #41
                        Well I am a photographer and affiliate and hope to have my own program up in 2007!

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                        • triumph
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                          • Dec 2002
                          • 3433

                          #42
                          Content is king, but traffic is gold!

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                          • Busty
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                            • Jan 2006
                            • 802

                            #43
                            I see site owners as long term thinkers, the more joins you get to you own site the more recurring members you have the more money you make. The PPS model made the affiliate used to the easy cash, but also cuts them out of the long term profit that is made running the site. Its a double edged sword, if you have large traffic you can make a ton of cash from PPS, if you have a great site you can make a ton of money with your member base.

                            I enjoy running sites, I enjoy shooting content, so being a site owner was a natural thing for me. I have had to learn the traffic game, and I have huge respect for guys like Sleazy, The Hun, Shemp, Green Guy, and Worldsex because they can dictate the PPS market with the traffic they have built over the years.
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