My take on the zango/aff scandel

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  • SleazyDream
    I'm here for SPORT
    • Jul 2001
    • 41470

    #1

    My take on the zango/aff scandel

    fucking idiots seem to be following me and asking me my take on this in threads not related to it so here's my respond.

    1. - AFF did not pay me to make any statement for or against them.
    2. - If I felt it necessary I could replace AFF in less than a day.

    That being said - here's what I really think.

    I do not believe it is right to tell someone else how to run their business. I'm getting annoyed at all the fucking idiots on here that tell me to dump AFF over this - I don't tell you morons how to run your business - why the fuck are you telling me how to run mine?

    Am I happy about the zango situation - no - I'd be a fucking idiot if I was. I personally believe zango is an illegial scam operation that will eventually face legal problems for what they are doing and they are HURTING PEOPLE. That is wrong. I personally choose not to do business with zango on that reason.

    That does not mean that cause another company I use uses them that it effects my realtionship with that company. My realtionship with AFF is based on how AFF treats me - directly. I really don't give a fuck what they do to others.

    Same as friends - I keep a friend based on how they treat me - not other people. Only fucking high school idiots form clicks like that.

    Does Zango effect my account - probally.

    Is there anything I can do about it - we're looking into codes to stop zango and will support ANYONE that wants to do legal action against them or other things to stop them from stealing from me. And I truly believe they are stealing from me and other webmasters and that is wrong.

    I havn't sceen HUGE drops in my sales with AFF over zango, but it's VERY hard to prove exactly what one's losses are in a fliud situation like zango - but that doesn't mean it hasn't been a gradual loss to them and it's very VERY possible I'm loosing thousands of dollars to them every month.

    I concern myself with things I can controll. If my sales with AFF fall below a profitable level I'll drop AFF and try someone else - till then my relationship with them is solid and they are profitable for me to date.

    I'm not going to tell AFF what to do about zango - it's their business.

    A simple business fact is if zango steals too many sales affiliates will drop aff and promote someone else. If zango is taking 10% of AFF sales - well think about it - then it's 10% EASIER for a competator to offer a better deal. If zango is taking 20% - it's 20% easier for a competator to make a better deal - and so on till it's impossible not to use someone else.

    I personally fell using zango is a slippery slop - it's alredy cost them reputation. Reality is the real losses will depend on how deep zango digs into webmsters pockets.

    Zango is not a method I would use personally for finanical gain - Aff may have a point in trying to regain losses to them, but if they feel they have to use zango cause they are feeling losses - then affilaites are too.

    I continue to use AFF mostly cause they are stuck in a bad situation on this circumstance. I know the owners (both of them) PERSONALLY and if KNOW if they could find a way to make this right they would - it's very difficult though and I understand that and I know they are troubled about this and stuck between a rock and a hard place in the whole thing. It does not make sense for them to allow zango to send traffic to their competators. So what are they suppoed to do? Sending to cams.com isn't a perfect solution but it's at least something....suing them takes months to years and all traffic is lost till the lawsuit ends.

    a LOT of other companies are using zango and havn't had to endure what AFF has on this board over this- companies many of the people bashing AFF are currently using.


    so - now are all you fucking trolls happy knowing what I think? I doubt it - you'll all probally continue to whine at me. uggggg
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  • Deej
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    • Jun 2005
    • 24386

    #2
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    • JFK
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      • Jan 2002
      • 67373

      #3
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      • Donny
        As you wish...
        • May 2002
        • 13754

        #4
        Zango fined $3 million

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        • mikeyddddd
          Viva la vulva!
          • Mar 2003
          • 16557

          #5
          That's a reasoned response that seems to make sense.

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          • baddog
            So Fucking Banned
            • Apr 2001
            • 107089

            #6
            I was going to say you summed it up very well, but it was a little lengthy to be considered "summed up."

            As I have told others, if you notice your sales dropping as a result, move on.

            I don't really get why everyone is jumping on AFF, except that they love bandwagons. If you promote AFF and your income is dropping because of zango, it is pretty easy to change your links, if you have built sites with foresight.

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            • ForteCash
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              • Feb 2006
              • 3278

              #7
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              • Mr. Marks
                Confirmed User
                • Jun 2001
                • 7517

                #8
                It's gonna be a trip seeing how things look once another Class action is filed against Zango (this time, with the clients sticking to the suit).

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                • lazycash
                  Troll Patrol
                  • Aug 2002
                  • 15214

                  #9
                  It all boils down to this Sleazy, you continue to promote a sponsor who has no qualms about marketing themselves via Zango. If you don't like Zango and its possible negative affects on the industry, then stop promoting the sponsors that continue to feed its revenue.

                  As far as AFF/Cams being in a tough dilemma, thats bullshit. Lars has stated that the revenue and traffic from Zango represents a very small portion of their overall numbers. If he was telling the truth, then there is no dilemma. Have some ethics and take a stance like other sponsors have done and do something positive for the entire industry. Most likely, the revenue lost from affiliates who stopped promoting them because of their affiliation with Zango far outweighs whatever benefit they receive from marketing via Zango. Sleazy we all know you've been promoting AFF for years and they pay you nicely to only promote them, so you're the last person I expected to have an objective viewpoint on the situation.
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                  • OzMan
                    Confirmed User
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 9162

                    #10
                    Originally posted by SleazyDream
                    ...a LOT of other companies are using zango and havn't had to endure what AFF has on this board over this- companies many of the people bashing AFF are currently using...
                    a-fucking-men on that one.

                    Take out the "love a bandwagon" hypocrites, the "love to bash AFF" trolls and sig whores and this drama loses most of its steam.

                    As I've said many times, continually attacking how one company chooses to do business is not the way to solve the adware problem and this broken record is getting very old.

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                    • Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                      • Jan 2004
                      • 16502

                      #11
                      Originally posted by lazycash
                      It all boils down to this Sleazy, you continue to promote a sponsor who has no qualms about marketing themselves via Zango. If you don't like Zango and its possible negative affects on the industry, then stop promoting the sponsors that continue to feed its revenue.

                      As far as AFF/Cams being in a tough dilemma, thats bullshit. Lars has stated that the revenue and traffic from Zango represents a very small portion of their overall numbers. If he was telling the truth, then there is no dilemma. Have some ethics and take a stance like other sponsors have done and do something positive for the entire industry. Most likely, the revenue lost from affiliates who stopped promoting them because of their affiliation with Zango far outweighs whatever benefit they receive from marketing via Zango. Sleazy we all know you've been promoting AFF for years and they pay you nicely to only promote them, so you're the last person I expected to have an objective viewpoint on the situation.

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                      • Tempest
                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                        • May 2004
                        • 10217

                        #12
                        Perhaps people would be more acceptable of AFF/Cams actions if they were simply protecting themselves from the competitors that were trying to hijack the traffic being sent to their sites. But they're not.

                        They're doing the exact same thing and hijacking traffic/sales I'm trying to send to ImLive, CamCrush, Streamate, iFriends etc., not to mention the dating sites I'm trying to send traffic/sales to.

                        Why is AFF/Cams being focused on? Because they said. "Oh well, fuck you WMs, we're going to continue anyway" and proceeded to try and spin it. If they stopped their actions, the focus could be moved to other companies.

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                        • Tempest
                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                          • May 2004
                          • 10217

                          #13
                          Originally posted by baddog
                          I was going to say you summed it up very well, but it was a little lengthy to be considered "summed up."

                          As I have told others, if you notice your sales dropping as a result, move on.

                          I don't really get why everyone is jumping on AFF, except that they love bandwagons. If you promote AFF and your income is dropping because of zango, it is pretty easy to change your links, if you have built sites with foresight.
                          Changing links doesn't matter if AFF/Cams are targeting keywords in Zango that gets triggered by your sites domain for example. You could be promoting any cam site and AFF/Cams could be hijacking your traffic and sales.

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                          • Mutt
                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                            • Sep 2002
                            • 34431

                            #14
                            greed. plain and simple. will the owners of AFF miss a meal if they don't do business with Zango? will they miss a mortgage payment? if they even lost a million dollars would it make a difference in their lives?

                            people are being stolen from who may miss a mortgage payment one day because of Zango and others like them. and will AFF give a shit? should they? that's their call but their public statement that they have been forced into doing business with Zango is laughable and preposterous.
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                            • lazycash
                              Troll Patrol
                              • Aug 2002
                              • 15214

                              #15
                              Originally posted by baddog
                              I was going to say you summed it up very well, but it was a little lengthy to be considered "summed up."

                              As I have told others, if you notice your sales dropping as a result, move on.

                              I don't really get why everyone is jumping on AFF, except that they love bandwagons. If you promote AFF and your income is dropping because of zango, it is pretty easy to change your links, if you have built sites with foresight.
                              Sure you could take that narrowsited approach if each individual only cared about themselves and not the state of the entire industry we operate in.
                              "WTF, on google you can find the answer to every question in human history, EXCEPT how to convert cams..

                              Its crazy..."

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