I consider Andrew and Lars (owners of AFF) to be friends of mine

people were sugestig not to do business with me on that reason - how is dealign with any credit card processor that had clients that buy from zango any different?

please tell me

It is difficult to convey tongue-in-cheek via a board :)

I was attempting to suggest how ludicrous this so-called "business model" is. If adult webmasters did nothing but promote scumware, short of stealing their own or each other's links, the scumware companies would be out of business.

So would our sponsors. But then again, if the vast majority are willing to either play along with scumware or ignore the whole issue, maybe that would be poetic justice.

Of course it won't happen... but that's another story...

You didn't reference the part about not doing business with you as part of your original analogy. If that's the case, then I do think its silly for some to suggest not doing business with you simply because you promote AFF. However, you have to realize where some are coming from, certain sponsors are taking major heat because of their affiliation with Zango and those seen as defending those sponsors will also most likely take some heat. I guess in the end, if you don't feel that its affecting your bottom line then you'll probably continue to take the heat.

So theoretically if a friend of yours, murdered their neighbors, raped their children, and blew up a local church - he would be OK with you, as long as he treated you well??


This industry rewards scammers, always has, always will - and because they have money, they are able to get monkeys to publicly support them.

Suckers!

It's funny how you label everyone else an idiot but it turns out you're the idiot.

Wrong: Anytime I discover a program doing that, I've dropped them.

Yes And No: That's part of the "deal" I believe is appropriate when I'm getting paid $30+ a sale. However, I don't promote revshare programs that do that.

Yes And No: Why do I care about the cross sells? That's how the program can afford to pay me $30+ PPS. I won't promote revshare programs that do that.

The fact is, nothing you say on this topic has any validity. You are friends with these guys and as such you've clearly shown you'll have their back. You have zero objectivity on the issue.

You are right you run your business how you want too.

Most of what you said was right except for a little bullshit that was included:

Little contradicting there. You say your relationship with AFF is based on how well they treat you, but then you admit that zango does affect your sales in a bad way. So you say AFF treats you good but Zango treats you bad.... So AFF + Zango = AFF treating you ok :upsidedow Thats like saying the gun treats me well, but the bullet killed me, the bullet was bad but not the gun who shoot the bullet.

Bullshit. You are making excuses for them. What about the other 10+ companies here, many of them dating like IwantU or Datinggold that doesn't use zango, yet companies like AFF and Sex Search are targeting their sites too. So datinggold and iwantu did the right thing even if it meant losing a little traffic. They are in the SAME position, but choose to do the right thing.

Why doesn't AFF just pop up a page without their own affiliate code. AFF would protect their traffic and their affiliate would still get credit for the sale. This is a form of fucking shaving and you know it. this is bullshit what they are doing and any other companies that are doing the same thing. If you didn't " know" them you wouldn't be making these excuses for them.

Yeah it took YEARS for the Gator lawsuits to be settled which were EXACTLY the same situations. (WRONG).

More bullshit, you say they are protecting their traffic, they are in a tought situation. How the fuck do explain them targeting the other sites then, like ifriends.com and clickcash.com. How are they protecting *THEIR* traffic when they are targeting other sites. bullshit. How are they protecting their traffic when they pop up cams.com when I go to check my clickcash stats?

I am happy to hear you will help fight zango, but you have a little too much bullshit in there for AFF. Call me a troll too if it makes you feel better, but it is still bullshit lame excuses no matter what you think of the person saying it.

Have we had any updates from Lars about this. they claim they were * looking into it*... I think he did post today, it was the " you know you made it " post, you know you made it when you are going to the playboy mansion and you dont know if to wear silk or flannel. :Oh crap


Boo fucking who. AFF is the biggest company in adult. They advertise here and have made millions from the webmasters here. They are the ones who could really make a difference in this zango shit but they prefer to make bullshit excuses and insult people. If it was not for Zango outing them they wouldn't have posted, which would have been the smart thing to do. Lars made it worse on them by making his bullshit posts.

I feel no pitty for them, if they don't want the heat then don't take the fucking dirty traffic, and they need to stop worrying about how much abuse the other companies using zango and start worrying about where they get their own fucking traffic from.

talk about broken record and getting old... i've heard you make that comment a few times already.

For someone who knows " a little about it" you sure seem to keep commenting a lot about it.

I thought we already explained to you how it affects you, perhaps you missed it?

You dumbass you even proved yourself wrong. You said you don't know enough about it to debate it's affects on this industry. But then you state as fact, over and over it does not affect you.

I thought you were in " this industry" so if you know a little about it and not enough to know how it affects this industy then how in the fuck can you be so sure it does not affect you... (are you in another industry ??)

FYI. EVEN Zango admitted that a good bit of their installs were done by shaddy affiliates they had, that were installing the shit without the people knowing. More then half the people with the shit on the PC does not know how it got there.

Before you keep talking about something you know very very little about, you might want to take an hour or so and educate yourself since it seems you feel compelled to talk about it.

GFY search tool is a good thing, try using it. You might answer your own questions without having to ask them.

I may be wrong here but that is not correct from what I can see.
Here is what i see happening, I click Sleazy's AFF link, it pops up a cams.com page over his AFF page. Their is an affliate id on the cams.com page that is not sleazy's. SO they are taking YOUR AFF traffic and sending it to CAMS.com where they get credit for the sale, not you.

Just the same if you are a sexsearch affiliate or affiliate of many other dating/cams sites, they take YOUR traffic and send it to their site.

Your boss rapes your wife, but he gives you the best paying job in town...

What do you mean, stop working for him and find another job out of principle.

Principles are over rated :upsidedow

Great sum-up. For all of you people saying, its only a small amount of sales lost, you need to read this again and try looking a little into the future. The problem is not going to go away. It is only going to get worst.

Fact: if enough affiliates leave the companies who accept this traffic then the company will stop doing business with shitware, it will cost them more then it is making them. These companies need to protect their own fucking trademarks. Why trademark something if you are not going to protect it.
Then which ever rouge companies continue to use zango, or other shitware programs, then all of us (sponsors included) go after them and the shitware companies, united.

That's the plan, someone get AFF on board to lead the way.

We also try to educate the surfers along the way.

Anyone else have any suggestions on a better plan ?

Bump for posting 5 times in a row and killing a thread :Oh crap

um that's a shitty ass analogy

a little harsh but i think it is pretty accurate.

Take out the rape and say that in order to keep your job he strongly suggest your wife sleeps with him. This way it is not "illegal".

Now does that make it a better anaolgy >