looking to buy 20k hits a day - GoFuckYourself.com

gallerypost · 07-09-2002, 09:39 AM

please give me urls/place offers
icq me - 159514975

also i'm up for clean trades (1k+ a day)

hornybunny · 07-09-2002, 04:48 PM

Pipecrew · 07-09-2002, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hornybunny
www.adbuytraffic.com

Great prices.

This site makes no logical sense when looking at the pricing structure

25,000 ---> 100 dollars
50,000 ---> 240 dollars

why wouldnt someone just buy two cheaper packages at 25000 uniques or hitbots?

quiet · 07-09-2002, 04:50 PM

has anyone used these guys?

quiet · 07-09-2002, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pipecrew

This site makes no logical sense when looking at the pricing structure

25,000 ---> 100 dollars
50,000 ---> 240 dollars

why wouldnt someone just buy two cheaper packages at 25000 uniques or hitbots?

i noticed that too

Pipecrew · 07-09-2002, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet
has anyone used these guys?

Dont listen to HornyBunny, since he is spamming his own product, notice the identical shit over at

http://www.tgphandsubmit.com/

hornybunny · 07-09-2002, 05:05 PM

25,000 ---> 125 dollars
50,000 ---> 200 dollars

Prices corrected. I was just making modifications to the price structure today. Any questions, contact me here or on ICQ 77978078.

Pipecrew, if it is any of your concern, I had two services at tgphandsubmit and decided to divide the traffic sales to its own site. No need to be rude.

www.adbuytraffic.com

pr0 · 07-09-2002, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hornybunny
www.adbuytraffic.com

Great prices.

What country are you from?

hornybunny · 07-09-2002, 05:10 PM

Check 'location'

pr0 · 07-09-2002, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hornybunny
Check 'location'

Ok just checking...I always make sure the people i do business with are within a days drive.

hornybunny · 07-09-2002, 05:14 PM

Never know when you need to pay them a visit

Pipecrew · 07-09-2002, 05:15 PM

I am curious as to how you harvest these visitors ?

pr0 · 07-09-2002, 05:16 PM

By the way when paypal stops processing...how will you be handling your deals hornybunny?

pr0 · 07-09-2002, 05:18 PM

We cannot deliver visitors to sites containing content that is not appropriate for viewing by a general audience. Inappropriate content includes, but is not limited to, adult content, hate text, illegal content (in the US) and content that encourages illegal activities or violence.

wtf?

hornybunny · 07-09-2002, 05:23 PM

'Inapropriate' adult content.. no CP, lolita.. you know the rules.

pr0.. PayPal will never stop processing. Adult industry makes way too much money for them to do so.

SR · 07-09-2002, 05:25 PM

Yes would be nice to know where all adult traffic comes from plus if there's anyone in here that bought his traffic let us know please.

Pipecrew · 07-09-2002, 05:27 PM

seems like the kind of company that springs up after watching a special on CBS about money in porn

hornybunny · 07-09-2002, 05:28 PM

Part of my agreement with traffic purchasers is their annonymity, so I will honor that promise. But if anyone wants to come forth that has purchased traffic from me in the past then feel free to do so. 80% of my sales are from repeat customers, happy repeat customers

Pipecrew, you must be referring to AdultCentro.

Theo · 07-09-2002, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hornybunny
pr0.. PayPal will never stop processing. Adult industry makes way too much money for them to do so.

don't use the word never on such matters, it's often proved the opposite

hornybunny · 07-09-2002, 05:38 PM

Well if your theory works, then I may take that word back.. I enjoy the service Paypal provides and I'm sure there is currently another service in the works ready to take over Paypal should they decide no longer to support the adult industry. But I still firmly believe Paypal will always be here for us.

mike503 · 07-09-2002, 06:17 PM

any other companies? what are the normal rates for 10k/day, 20k/day, normal traffic (shit you'd buy for say, a tgp or mgp site, or something related)

i'd love to know the price ranges for shit, and what to look for if something is too cheap or expensive

hornybunny · 07-09-2002, 07:17 PM

Probably the best going rate on something between 10K-20K is $6/1K.

Choker · 07-09-2002, 08:40 PM

Gallerypost, If you would rather buy straight from the source rather than from someone trying to broker others traffic, hit me up. And here is a list of good sources too

http://www.chickenhost.com/traffic/buyclicked.htm

Socks · 07-09-2002, 08:57 PM

WE COUNT VISITS, NOT HITS.

Do you generate hits using SPAM or other unscrupulous techniques?
ABSOLUTELY NOT. The hits we deliver are legitimate.
-----------------

Well, which is it? ;)

kmanrox · 07-09-2002, 09:06 PM

in less than a month you will be able to buy or SELL your traffic on-the-fly with bitchbroker v1.0 =)

stay tuned

http://www.bitchbroker.com

s0laris2 · 07-09-2002, 09:12 PM

cool!

Bitchbroker looks hot

Satan · 07-09-2002, 09:17 PM

Chokers traffic is definatly the way to go..

Bitchbroker certainly sounds interesting, please do keep us informed

kmanrox · 07-09-2002, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Satan
Chokers traffic is definatly the way to go..

Bitchbroker certainly sounds interesting, please do keep us informed

we do a lot of business with choker, he's good people =)
k-man approved!

PeekHoles · 07-09-2002, 09:54 PM

Chokers Traffic

Dawgy · 07-10-2002, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kmanrox
we do a lot of business with choker, he's good people =)

i KNEW he was more than one person.

hornybunny · 07-10-2002, 10:18 AM

Thanks for pointing that out Socks

It is definitely visits and I guess old habits sometimes are hard to break. Some people prefer to buy from the source, some people from a broker but we do both depending on what is being requested by the customer. I have people that simply want the best price, in that case we broker but many people like to know what TGP it comes from in that case we have many TGP webmasters we work with to sell the hits directly too, but that is pricier. Works well either way.

dodik · 07-10-2002, 11:06 AM

if you need more traffic, go to www.SexCrawlers.com.

Thor · 07-10-2002, 12:12 PM

to buy exits http://www.sexzity.com
to buy clciks http://www.porntraffic.net (click advertise)

mike503 · 07-10-2002, 12:25 PM

anyone have any good/bad words about porntraffic?

gothweb · 07-10-2002, 12:36 PM

Anyone selling smaller amounts of traffic? I am looking to get 500-2000 hits a day tops at good rates... or trade for content. Anyone interested, or know a good place to look?

clickpimp · 07-10-2002, 01:05 PM

suffice it to say there are plenty of traffic options out there. and as always, the best way to lower your traffic cost is to have a better converting site.

mijoon · 07-10-2002, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gothweb
Anyone selling smaller amounts of traffic? I am looking to get 500-2000 hits a day tops at good rates... or trade for content. Anyone interested, or know a good place to look?

Choker spreads your traffic out over 10 - 14 days , so if you buy 5-10 k , it will come in the range you want.

Choker · 07-10-2002, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Choker spreads your traffic out over 10 - 14 days , so if you buy 5-10 k , it will come in the range you want.

Thanks for the plug, but now my buyers can set their own hourly force and stop/start their own traffic whenever they want. If you buy a 10k block, you can set it to get from 25 to 100 an hour. But of course it is only a guideline but it does give the buyers some control over their traffic. Plus if their site goes 404 they can stop the traffic completely theirself.

CDSmith · 07-10-2002, 01:50 PM

Yep, no question Choker is right on track for having one of the best services (if not the best) for affordable traffic. Being able to set your hourly force or pause your traffic completely is very handy.

I have collected a few solid reliable options for paid traffic sources, link in sig.

hornybunny · 07-10-2002, 07:12 PM

There are many good traffic sources, always a good idea to shop around. Buy a small package, say 5K and if it does not work well for you, then try another source. It is similar to setting up trades, you have to keep trying new trades daily until you find traffic that converts well for you.

gothweb · 07-10-2002, 07:55 PM

From Choker's traffic page...

I don't sell to the following sites:
1. Any site with a pop-up of ANY kind
2. Paysites
...
10. No warning pages. Nobody clicks on enter links anymore.
11. Any site with a pop-up of ANY kind

Unfortunately, I am totally ruled-out from being his customer. I run a paysite with an exit console and a warning page. Can't see changing those policies to *pay* for some traffic.

Steve · 07-10-2002, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gothweb
From Choker's traffic page...

I don't sell to the following sites:
1. Any site with a pop-up of ANY kind
2. Paysites
...
10. No warning pages. Nobody clicks on enter links anymore.
11. Any site with a pop-up of ANY kind

Unfortunately, I am totally ruled-out from being his customer. I run a paysite with an exit console and a warning page. Can't see changing those policies to *pay* for some traffic.

Why not try to make a FPA, or even a small promo gallery - with links leading to your paysite, or an paysite tour optimized for TGP traffic - or a page that promotes sponsor you use to squeeze a dime out of cheapskates?

It's not too hard to work around "problems", if you stop bitching and start thinking.

gothweb · 07-10-2002, 08:07 PM

8. No FPA's. These are the same as a paysite

gothweb · 07-10-2002, 08:10 PM

I do agree with you that it is usually possible to work around problems and incompatibilities.

The thing is, I seem to be ruled out by most of his rules-- and I can't see putting a ton of work into *buying* traffic from someone. If I am going to spend the time to re-work sites, build feeder sites, I am afraid that sources of traffic that I don't have to pay for are going to get my attention first. (I guess that sounds negative, but I'm just being up-front with my time and work priorities.)

That said, I do hope we can work something out. Probably better to wait until I see him on ICQ, than to talk it out here with everyone else... ;)

CDSmith · 07-10-2002, 08:55 PM

I too buy from Choker and a few other sources as well, and I also have several other sources of paid traffic deals. All I did was put up a page that looks almost exactly like my real warning page, except that it has no popups. It does however have some thumbnailed links, some lead to content, others lead to sponsors and even some link trades. Lower down on the page there is the "Enter" and "Exit" links, but it is acceptable because it is a clean page that has links to some actual content. Since Choker's traffic is largely tgp traffic, his surfers are expecting to see a least a bit of content.

The page I have paid traffic sent to is www.sunsetbeachbabes.com/beach.html
Notice the "Enter" link leads to a full page add, from which the surfer can click through to the main page of my site.

it's not hard to whip up a page like this, and another added benefit is that this type of page will coninue to get some traffic even after your paid hits run out. (trades, SE hits)

Otherwise, the better way to go for a pay site might be to purchase premium-quality banner/button traffic at a higher price. I have one such source, and if this type of traffic interests you by all means icq me - 31024634

gothweb · 07-10-2002, 09:06 PM

At first, when I read what you said, I thought it made good sense... An entry page with content on it. But then I saw it another way... I have a warning page for a reason... Putting adult content on it would be kindof silly, wouldn't it? Might be worth bending my warning page policy for good traffic, but I am dubious.

I am interested in sources of more premium traffic that might work, but I don't have a lot to spend. (I know, I know... but you can see my bank balance if you want. Investment only works when you have capital...) So I figured that this sort of range ($6 or less per 1k hits) would be a good start to see how it might work out.

Choker · 07-10-2002, 09:24 PM

Gothweb, I am going to relax some of my rules including the no fpas and no warning pages. I can relax the rules now as I no longer buy and send other tgp traffic straight to my buyers. These rules were their rules too. Now I am sending all traffic to buyers from my own tgps so I can make the rules myself now. I still buy from other tgps, their traffic is just sent to my tgps.

07-09-2002, 09:39 AM	#1
gallerypost Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 711	looking to buy 20k hits a day please give me urls/place offers icq me - 159514975 also i'm up for clean trades (1k+ a day)

07-09-2002, 05:23 PM	#15
hornybunny Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 155	'Inapropriate' adult content.. no CP, lolita.. you know the rules. pr0.. PayPal will never stop processing. Adult industry makes way too much money for them to do so. Last edited by hornybunny; 07-09-2002 at 05:25 PM..

07-09-2002, 05:28 PM	#18
hornybunny Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 155	Part of my agreement with traffic purchasers is their annonymity, so I will honor that promise. But if anyone wants to come forth that has purchased traffic from me in the past then feel free to do so. 80% of my sales are from repeat customers, happy repeat customers Pipecrew, you must be referring to AdultCentro. Last edited by hornybunny; 07-09-2002 at 05:29 PM..

07-09-2002, 06:17 PM	#21
mike503 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: oregon. Posts: 2,243	any other companies? what are the normal rates for 10k/day, 20k/day, normal traffic (shit you'd buy for say, a tgp or mgp site, or something related) i'd love to know the price ranges for shit, and what to look for if something is too cheap or expensive __________________ php/mysql guru. hosting, coding, all that jazz.

07-09-2002, 08:40 PM	#23
Choker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Orlando Posts: 9,024	Gallerypost, If you would rather buy straight from the source rather than from someone trying to broker others traffic, hit me up. And here is a list of good sources too http://www.chickenhost.com/traffic/buyclicked.htm __________________ ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466 Need dating, cam, or tube traffic? I got it.http://http://www.chokertraffic.com The Original http://www.chokertraffic.com/ Premium country pop-unders from $1.50 per k. I challenge you to compare this traffic to any other brokers. http://www.chokertraffic.com/public/tabs.php?t=o

07-09-2002, 04:48 PM	#2
hornybunny Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 155	www.adbuytraffic.com Great prices.

07-09-2002, 04:50 PM	#4
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	has anyone used these guys?

07-09-2002, 05:05 PM	#7
hornybunny Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 155	25,000 ---> 125 dollars 50,000 ---> 200 dollars Prices corrected. I was just making modifications to the price structure today. Any questions, contact me here or on ICQ 77978078. Pipecrew, if it is any of your concern, I had two services at tgphandsubmit and decided to divide the traffic sales to its own site. No need to be rude. www.adbuytraffic.com

07-09-2002, 05:10 PM	#9
hornybunny Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 155	Check 'location'

07-09-2002, 05:14 PM	#11
hornybunny Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 155	Never know when you need to pay them a visit

07-09-2002, 05:15 PM	#12
Pipecrew Master of Gfy.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 14,887	I am curious as to how you harvest these visitors ?

07-09-2002, 05:16 PM	#13
pr0 rockin tha trailerpark Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: ~Coastal~ Posts: 23,088	By the way when paypal stops processing...how will you be handling your deals hornybunny?

07-09-2002, 05:18 PM	#14
pr0 rockin tha trailerpark Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: ~Coastal~ Posts: 23,088	We cannot deliver visitors to sites containing content that is not appropriate for viewing by a general audience. Inappropriate content includes, but is not limited to, adult content, hate text, illegal content (in the US) and content that encourages illegal activities or violence. wtf?

07-09-2002, 05:25 PM	#16
SR Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,239	Yes would be nice to know where all adult traffic comes from plus if there's anyone in here that bought his traffic let us know please.

07-09-2002, 05:27 PM	#17
Pipecrew Master of Gfy.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 14,887	seems like the kind of company that springs up after watching a special on CBS about money in porn

07-09-2002, 05:38 PM	#20
hornybunny Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 155	Well if your theory works, then I may take that word back.. I enjoy the service Paypal provides and I'm sure there is currently another service in the works ready to take over Paypal should they decide no longer to support the adult industry. But I still firmly believe Paypal will always be here for us.

07-09-2002, 07:17 PM	#22
hornybunny Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 155	Probably the best going rate on something between 10K-20K is $6/1K.

07-09-2002, 08:57 PM	#24
Socks Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,475	WE COUNT VISITS, NOT HITS. Do you generate hits using SPAM or other unscrupulous techniques? ABSOLUTELY NOT. The hits we deliver are legitimate. ----------------- Well, which is it? ;)

07-09-2002, 09:06 PM	#25
kmanrox aka K-Man Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Gutter Posts: 29,293	in less than a month you will be able to buy or SELL your traffic on-the-fly with bitchbroker v1.0 =) stay tuned http://www.bitchbroker.com __________________ Crypto HODLr Crypto mining Angel investor

07-09-2002, 09:12 PM	#26
s0laris2 Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 317	cool! Bitchbroker looks hot __________________

07-09-2002, 09:17 PM	#27
Satan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hell Posts: 1,626	Chokers traffic is definatly the way to go.. Bitchbroker certainly sounds interesting, please do keep us informed __________________ WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU?

07-09-2002, 09:54 PM	#29
PeekHoles Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,151	Chokers Traffic

07-10-2002, 10:18 AM	#31
hornybunny Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 155	Thanks for pointing that out Socks It is definitely visits and I guess old habits sometimes are hard to break. Some people prefer to buy from the source, some people from a broker but we do both depending on what is being requested by the customer. I have people that simply want the best price, in that case we broker but many people like to know what TGP it comes from in that case we have many TGP webmasters we work with to sell the hits directly too, but that is pricier. Works well either way.

07-10-2002, 11:06 AM	#32
dodik Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 131	if you need more traffic, go to www.SexCrawlers.com. __________________ <center><a href="http://www.sexcrawlers.com/"><img src=http://www.sexcrawlers.com/banners/image-4.gif alt="SexCrawlers.com - Adult Automated Website Submission Service" width=120 height=60 border=0></a></center>

07-10-2002, 12:12 PM	#33
Thor Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Does anyhahahaha care ? Posts: 721	to buy exits http://www.sexzity.com to buy clciks http://www.porntraffic.net (click advertise)

07-10-2002, 12:25 PM	#34
mike503 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: oregon. Posts: 2,243	anyone have any good/bad words about porntraffic? __________________ php/mysql guru. hosting, coding, all that jazz.

07-10-2002, 12:36 PM	#35
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	Anyone selling smaller amounts of traffic? I am looking to get 500-2000 hits a day tops at good rates... or trade for content. Anyone interested, or know a good place to look? __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

07-10-2002, 01:05 PM	#36
clickpimp Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,159	suffice it to say there are plenty of traffic options out there. and as always, the best way to lower your traffic cost is to have a better converting site. __________________ eventually, earth will lose. enjoy it while it lasts.

07-10-2002, 01:50 PM	#39
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	Yep, no question Choker is right on track for having one of the best services (if not the best) for affordable traffic. Being able to set your hourly force or pause your traffic completely is very handy. I have collected a few solid reliable options for paid traffic sources, link in sig. __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

07-10-2002, 07:12 PM	#40
hornybunny Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 155	There are many good traffic sources, always a good idea to shop around. Buy a small package, say 5K and if it does not work well for you, then try another source. It is similar to setting up trades, you have to keep trying new trades daily until you find traffic that converts well for you.

07-10-2002, 07:55 PM	#41
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	From Choker's traffic page... I don't sell to the following sites: 1. Any site with a pop-up of ANY kind 2. Paysites ... 10. No warning pages. Nobody clicks on enter links anymore. 11. Any site with a pop-up of ANY kind Unfortunately, I am totally ruled-out from being his customer. I run a paysite with an exit console and a warning page. Can't see changing those policies to pay for some traffic. __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

07-10-2002, 08:07 PM	#43
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	8. No FPA's. These are the same as a paysite __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

07-10-2002, 08:10 PM	#44
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	I do agree with you that it is usually possible to work around problems and incompatibilities. The thing is, I seem to be ruled out by most of his rules-- and I can't see putting a ton of work into buying traffic from someone. If I am going to spend the time to re-work sites, build feeder sites, I am afraid that sources of traffic that I don't have to pay for are going to get my attention first. (I guess that sounds negative, but I'm just being up-front with my time and work priorities.) That said, I do hope we can work something out. Probably better to wait until I see him on ICQ, than to talk it out here with everyone else... ;) __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

07-10-2002, 08:55 PM	#45
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	I too buy from Choker and a few other sources as well, and I also have several other sources of paid traffic deals. All I did was put up a page that looks almost exactly like my real warning page, except that it has no popups. It does however have some thumbnailed links, some lead to content, others lead to sponsors and even some link trades. Lower down on the page there is the "Enter" and "Exit" links, but it is acceptable because it is a clean page that has links to some actual content. Since Choker's traffic is largely tgp traffic, his surfers are expecting to see a least a bit of content. The page I have paid traffic sent to is www.sunsetbeachbabes.com/beach.html Notice the "Enter" link leads to a full page add, from which the surfer can click through to the main page of my site. it's not hard to whip up a page like this, and another added benefit is that this type of page will coninue to get some traffic even after your paid hits run out. (trades, SE hits) Otherwise, the better way to go for a pay site might be to purchase premium-quality banner/button traffic at a higher price. I have one such source, and if this type of traffic interests you by all means icq me - 31024634 __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634 Last edited by CDSmith; 07-10-2002 at 08:58 PM..

07-10-2002, 09:06 PM	#46
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	At first, when I read what you said, I thought it made good sense... An entry page with content on it. But then I saw it another way... I have a warning page for a reason... Putting adult content on it would be kindof silly, wouldn't it? Might be worth bending my warning page policy for good traffic, but I am dubious. I am interested in sources of more premium traffic that might work, but I don't have a lot to spend. (I know, I know... but you can see my bank balance if you want. Investment only works when you have capital...) So I figured that this sort of range ($6 or less per 1k hits) would be a good start to see how it might work out. __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.