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  • FreeHugeMovies
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    #1

    Toby from Zuzana Designs Part II

    Glad to see you didn't appeal the decision in the court arbitration. Are you planning on paying me the sum or do I need to take more action?

    The drama never ends with you guys.
  • CaptainHowdy
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    #2
    You woke up the Drama Lama!

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    • marketsmart
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      #3
      how much does he owe you?

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      • Juicy D. Links
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        #4
        man tis sucks... i hate fuckers that scam like this

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        • Juicy D. Links
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          #5
          man , pay FHM and save what little rep you have left...



          sad thing is in few months , they will resurface as if nothing happened and the simpletons will embrace em with open arms

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          • tenderobject
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            #6
            oh no!!!!


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            • tenderobject
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              #7
              oh no!!!!


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              • tenderobject
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                #8
                Originally posted by tenderobject
                oh no!!!!
                ooops double post


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                • tenderobject
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                  #9
                  damn what happened to my connection. sorry!


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                  • FreeHugeMovies
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Juicy D. Links
                    man , pay FHM and save what little rep you have left...



                    sad thing is in few months , they will resurface as if nothing happened and the simpletons will embrace em with open arms

                    Sad but true. I just hope people take notice.

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                    • Rochard
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by FreeHugeMovies
                      Glad to see you didn't appeal the decision in the court arbitration. Are you planning on paying me the sum or do I need to take more action?

                      The drama never ends with you guys.
                      You need to put your money where your mouth is already. You've had your day in court, now back it up with documentation. There are two sides to every story and I have an odd feeling your side is a bit left of the truth.
                      Herschel Savage
                      Brooklyn, NY

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                      • tenderobject
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Rochard
                        You need to put your money where your mouth is already. You've had your day in court, now back it up with documentation. There are two sides to every story and I have an odd feeling your side is a bit left of the truth.
                        sorry sir... but im sure he can prove this.


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                        • FreeHugeMovies
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Rochard
                          You need to put your money where your mouth is already. You've had your day in court, now back it up with documentation. There are two sides to every story and I have an odd feeling your side is a bit left of the truth.
                          Do you think I am lying? There are always two sides to every story, that we can agree on. To make you happy I'll scan the judgement now. Give me a few seconds please.

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                          • The real Dirty D
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                            #14
                            FHM lets tell what happened in court.. First off the 1900.00 you said was owed to you was not.. She said it was only 900.00 due to the fact that you had a affidavit from the programmer that was involed in this project.. After I spoke with him all he had to say was ,

                            my statement was 2 sentances
                            that said checks were in my name and signed over into an account that wasn't mine
                            the rest was editorialized and I didn't have the patience to fight it
                            and had there not have been a notary 10 ft away
                            the only thing compelling me to comply
                            was learning that I was your defense as well as the name to which checks were made out

                            Be patiant FHM we will see eachother again very soon...
                            ZUZANA DESIGNS

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                            • pocketkangaroo
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Rochard
                              You need to put your money where your mouth is already. You've had your day in court, now back it up with documentation. There are two sides to every story and I have an odd feeling your side is a bit left of the truth.
                              Yeah, I'm sure he made up the whole court thing. God knows what a great rep Zuzana Designs has on the board.

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                              • FreeHugeMovies
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by The real Dirty D
                                FHM lets tell what happened in court.. First off the 1900.00 you said was owed to you was not.. She said it was only 900.00 due to the fact that you had a affidavit from the programmer that was involed in this project.. After I spoke with him all he had to say was ,

                                my statement was 2 sentances
                                that said checks were in my name and signed over into an account that wasn't mine
                                the rest was editorialized and I didn't have the patience to fight it
                                and had there not have been a notary 10 ft away
                                the only thing compelling me to comply
                                was learning that I was your defense as well as the name to which checks were made out

                                Be patiant FHM we will see eachother again very soon...
                                HE LIVES. Yea you kept ALL the money dude.

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                                • The real Dirty D
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                                  #17
                                  ok FHM how the hell do you know what happened to the money from 3 years ago ??
                                  ZUZANA DESIGNS

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                                  • tenderobject
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by pocketkangaroo
                                    Yeah, I'm sure he made up the whole court thing. God knows what a great rep Zuzana Designs has on the board.
                                    mods don't read that much here..


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                                    • Rochard
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by pocketkangaroo
                                      Yeah, I'm sure he made up the whole court thing. God knows what a great rep Zuzana Designs has on the board.
                                      I'm not saying anything was made up. There is no doubt in my mind that they went to court. Once you end up in court, pretty much you shouldn't be making public comments about the case.

                                      So provide documention or bugger off already.
                                      Herschel Savage
                                      Brooklyn, NY

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                                      • fris
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                                        #20
                                        stupid scammers
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                                        • marketsmart
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Rochard
                                          I'm not saying anything was made up. There is no doubt in my mind that they went to court. Once you end up in court, pretty much you shouldn't be making public comments about the case.

                                          So provide documention or bugger off already.
                                          they did go to court. that much I know as fact....

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                                          • FreeHugeMovies
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                                            #22
                                            Just for you Rochard. This is public record now anyway. I removed the address of Toby and I.

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                                            • Kimo
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                                              #23
                                              so fucking owned
                                              ...

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                                              • pocketkangaroo
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Rochard
                                                I'm not saying anything was made up. There is no doubt in my mind that they went to court. Once you end up in court, pretty much you shouldn't be making public comments about the case.

                                                So provide documention or bugger off already.
                                                Why not? Shouldn't others in the industry be warned of products and services that are scams or fraudulent? Isn't that the crux of a webmaster board? I mean it's fun to watch the outsourced sigwhores post 50 times an hour to win 25 bucks in a thread, but I think issues like this are actually important to the board.

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                                                • FreeHugeMovies
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                                                  #25

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                                                  • tenderobject
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by pocketkangaroo
                                                    Why not? Shouldn't others in the industry be warned of products and services that are scams or fraudulent? Isn't that the crux of a webmaster board? I mean it's fun to watch the outsourced sigwhores post 50 times an hour to win 25 bucks in a thread, but I think issues like this are actually important to the board.
                                                    true!


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                                                    • Rochard
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by FreeHugeMovies
                                                      Just for you Rochard. This is public record now anyway. I removed the address of Toby and I.
                                                      Why is the amount awarded to you ONLY $900?
                                                      Herschel Savage
                                                      Brooklyn, NY

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                                                      • FreeHugeMovies
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Rochard
                                                        Why is the amount awarded to you ONLY $900?

                                                        Arbitration is usually a split down the middle to not waste court time and tax payers money based on the evidence provided.



                                                        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbitration

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                                                        • Rochard
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by pocketkangaroo
                                                          Why not? Shouldn't others in the industry be warned of products and services that are scams or fraudulent? Isn't that the crux of a webmaster board? I mean it's fun to watch the outsourced sigwhores post 50 times an hour to win 25 bucks in a thread, but I think issues like this are actually important to the board.
                                                          Maybe. But when million dollar lawsuits are handed out because a single post on GFY destroyed a business..... well, at what point do we draw the line?

                                                          This guy is blasting Zuzana Design. But if I understand correctly his beef isn't with Zuzana Designs. Zuzana Designs never did any work for him, and Zuzana never collected any money from him. This is about a Toby, who was doing some work on the side.

                                                          At the end of the day, it really seems to me like someone is being very loud about a small amount of a money and a misunderstanding.

                                                          You surely won't find me going to court over $900.
                                                          Herschel Savage
                                                          Brooklyn, NY

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                                                          • The real Dirty D
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by FreeHugeMovies
                                                            Arbitration is usually a split down the middle to not waste court time and tax payers money based on the evidence provided.



                                                            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbitration
                                                            That's bullshit FHM and you know it. She was going to dismiss it entirely and not give you anything. Do you not remember that part of it? The only reason you got anything was because of the note from the programmer you got after threatening to go after him.
                                                            ZUZANA DESIGNS

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                                                            • tenderobject
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by The real Dirty D
                                                              That's bullshit FHM and you know it. She was going to dismiss it entirely and not give you anything. Do you not remember that part of it? The only reason you got anything was because of the note from the programmer you got after threatening to go after him.
                                                              why don't you just pay FHM???? so what you really want to say is that you're not guilty? you didn't took FHM money? wow!!!


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                                                              • Rochard
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by FreeHugeMovies
                                                                Arbitration is usually a split down the middle to not waste court time and tax payers money based on the evidence provided.



                                                                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbitration
                                                                Bingo.

                                                                In other words, the evidence provided wasn't proof enough to award you full damages. Instead, you were both told to stop wasting the court's time and play nicely from here on out.

                                                                But you failed to mention in your post that you got less than half of what you were asking for.

                                                                Not to mention you constantly slamming a business here, when in fact your beef is with an individual whom at the time wasn't acting on behalf of the company your slamming.
                                                                Herschel Savage
                                                                Brooklyn, NY

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                                                                • FreeHugeMovies
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                  Maybe. But when million dollar lawsuits are handed out because a single post on GFY destroyed a business..... well, at what point do we draw the line?

                                                                  This guy is blasting Zuzana Design. But if I understand correctly his beef isn't with Zuzana Designs. Zuzana Designs never did any work for him, and Zuzana never collected any money from him. This is about a Toby, who was doing some work on the side.

                                                                  At the end of the day, it really seems to me like someone is being very loud about a small amount of a money and a misunderstanding.

                                                                  You surely won't find me going to court over $900.
                                                                  She has stated he works for her. To what capacity we can all imagine. I've never mentioned Sarah being involved with any cash in this deal.

                                                                  Toby was the primary contact and then just disappeared. He has had his chances to make good but choose to be silent and left me with no other choice.

                                                                  The suing amount was $1,900, but it?s not about the money it?s about the principle.

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                                                                  • FreeHugeMovies
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                    Bingo.

                                                                    In other words, the evidence provided wasn't proof enough to award you full damages. Instead, you were both told to stop wasting the court's time and play nicely from here on out.

                                                                    But you failed to mention in your post that you got less than half of what you were asking for.

                                                                    Not to mention you constantly slamming a business here, when in fact your beef is with an individual whom at the time wasn't acting on behalf of the company your slamming.
                                                                    Sorry I'm not an attorney and didn't have everything I needed. I didn't appeal and he didn't appeal, so now he owes me a judgment. I would of had more ammo if we needed to go before a jury. I have also posted many times how much he had owed me. There are a few threads back in the day, where he choose to ignore.

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                                                                    • Rochard
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Kimo
                                                                      so fucking owned
                                                                      Not at all. I want him to post proof.... proof that he got less than half of what he was asking for.
                                                                      Herschel Savage
                                                                      Brooklyn, NY

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                                                                      • squishypimp
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        sad to see, hope all works out.

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                                                                        • marketsmart
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          sarah and Zuzana designs is top notch in my book. I have done many deqals with them and even paid up front. i never got fucked over by Sarah. Whatever the issue are with Toby, they have nothing to do with Sarah and I think that should be made clear...

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                                                                          • FreeHugeMovies
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            I guess I should take that as a "NO" answer. I wish you would re-consider. I'm back to work and got the answer I needed.

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                                                                            • tenderobject
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by marketsmart
                                                                              sarah and Zuzana designs is top notch in my book. I have done many deqals with them and even paid up front. i never got fucked over by Sarah. Whatever the issue are with Toby, they have nothing to do with Sarah and I think that should be made clear...
                                                                              good for you.. not all humans are lucky enough


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                                                                              • pocketkangaroo
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                                Not at all. I want him to post proof.... proof that he got less than half of what he was asking for.
                                                                                Come on, I'm sure you've either been through or heard of arbitration. You rarely get the full amount and it turns more into a settlement than anything. If he had no case at all, he would never have been awarded $900. They don't just award people money for no reason.

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                                                                                • shynfine
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  just pay up and move on.

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                                                                                  • Rochard
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by marketsmart
                                                                                    sarah and Zuzana designs is top notch in my book. I have done many deqals with them and even paid up front. i never got fucked over by Sarah. Whatever the issue are with Toby, they have nothing to do with Sarah and I think that should be made clear...
                                                                                    This is what I'm getting at. While one person is dragging Zuzana Designs through the mud, others are doing business with her / them and not having any problems. Zuzana Designs has done a lot of work for me, in bulk, with amazing turn around time, and I'm not even sure if we've paid her yet.
                                                                                    Herschel Savage
                                                                                    Brooklyn, NY

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                                                                                    • Rochard
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by pocketkangaroo
                                                                                      Come on, I'm sure you've either been through or heard of arbitration. You rarely get the full amount and it turns more into a settlement than anything. If he had no case at all, he would never have been awarded $900. They don't just award people money for no reason.
                                                                                      I've been through arbitration once. It was with an apartment complex that refused to give me back my deposit because they "paid an outside company to come in and clean my blinds". They even provided a fake receipt from some company not listed in any phone book.

                                                                                      What they didn't know at the time is that my room mate was super hot and was wearing short shorts while cleaning the blinds. Me being who I am, I took some pictures of the event - her on her hands and knees cleaning the blinds, which we removed from the windows and had laid out on the floor. This was 1991, and the picture had a date stamp on it.

                                                                                      I won my $1200 deposit back, plus $1200 in damages because the apartment manager lied about everything AND provided fake documentation during arbitration.

                                                                                      The apartment manager was fired the next day.
                                                                                      Herschel Savage
                                                                                      Brooklyn, NY

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                                                                                      • Trixxxia
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        FHM, I hope you get your money back. Granted it's not what you paid but it's still better than nothing.

                                                                                        From what I read, there's a history of this M.O. and a few GFY'ers have been detached from their funds from the same 'people' or group.
                                                                                        I'm basing this on a few searches - I can understand some people not being happy with a design but it's more like money & work done don't go together - unless it's two seperate companies using the same name - why do the work and give what people pay for with some contracts and not others?

                                                                                        http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...highlight=toby
                                                                                        http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...highlight=toby
                                                                                        http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...highlight=toby

                                                                                        http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ghlight=zuzana
                                                                                        http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ghlight=zuzana
                                                                                        http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ghlight=zuzana

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                                                                                        • tenderobject
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by TopBucksTrixxxia
                                                                                          FHM, I hope you get your money back. Granted it's not what you paid but it's still better than nothing.

                                                                                          From what I read, there's a history of this M.O. and a few GFY'ers have been detached from their funds from the same 'people' or group.
                                                                                          I'm basing this on a few searches - I can understand some people not being happy with a design but it's more like money & work done don't go together - unless it's two seperate companies using the same name - why do the work and give what people pay for with some contracts and not others?

                                                                                          http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...highlight=toby
                                                                                          http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...highlight=toby
                                                                                          http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...highlight=toby

                                                                                          http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ghlight=zuzana
                                                                                          http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ghlight=zuzana
                                                                                          http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ghlight=zuzana

                                                                                          you forgot my zuzana thread :P

                                                                                          anyways.. have had problem with sarah (zuzanadesigns) months ago.. a few drama and bullshit that would never happened if they fixed the problem asap..

                                                                                          well, atleast we're sorting it now.. atlas... hope it continious and fix what ever the problem is...

                                                                                          FHM: hope you get your money. goodluck


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                                                                                          • Vendzilla
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            I've thrown a lot of work Sarahs way and it has always been delivered, fast and top quality. It's seems that these threads that some asshole keeps throwing up are about attacking Toby's work , but to make it hurt Sarah by dragging her company name into it, when as you can see is not on the court doc's. So do us a favor, don't be an asshole!
                                                                                            Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                            think about that

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                                                                                            • PussyTeenies
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              (drama lama sig spot placement)

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                                                                                              • Juicy D. Links
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                I am suing evryone in this thread , please forward me address of service

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                                                                                                • frank7799
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                                                  Bingo.

                                                                                                  In other words, the evidence provided wasn't proof enough to award you full damages. Instead, you were both told to stop wasting the court's time and play nicely from here on out.

                                                                                                  But you failed to mention in your post that you got less than half of what you were asking for.

                                                                                                  Not to mention you constantly slamming a business here, when in fact your beef is with an individual whom at the time wasn't acting on behalf of the company your slamming.
                                                                                                  That is exactly the problem if you let go such discussions on a board. It´s quite easy to slam a company here, but obviously there are huge differences between posted stories and proven facts. So I do not see any need to post the story again.

                                                                                                  A webmaster board can not replace courts.

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                                                                                                  • BitAudioVideo
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                    I've thrown a lot of work Sarahs way and it has always been delivered, fast and top quality.
                                                                                                    i dont know any of the people involved so i wont comment on them...

                                                                                                    i have a feeling a lot of people on this board would be inclined to move work for adult.com or gfy mods to the front of the queue. im not suprised at all that you and Rochard had fast turnaround and quality work from zuzana or anyone else.

                                                                                                    anyone that would deliver shitty work to you guys needs to have their head examined. im not gonna deliver poor quality work to any clients but i can promise you, if you call me up and want 500 dvds encoded in the next 30 days ill go out and buy 10 new boxes and have your work done early and checked over twice before its sent out.
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