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MarkTiarra 10-26-2006 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 11161238)
I think you better start thinking for yourself a little bit instead of letting the website think for you. How are those animals in Guantanamo Bay allowed constitutional rights? They may be allowed international rights but not CONSTITUTIONAL rights give me a fucking break. They have not been fucking tortured either, Abu Ghraib incident wasnt torture as well. So that article is full of shit, and one of the few statements I have disagreed with the party spokesman on. Smells like a hidden agenda article there, maybe to bolster the parties chances this election cycle.

You do realize that you said I wasn't a true Libertarian because of my agreement with an article then here go on to say that you disagree with the Libertarian party on this issue - thus confirming that I am in line with the party's thinking?

I can't comment as to the accuracy of it because, like for anyone, I only go on as much information as I have taken the time to explore.

What I do know is this:

1) I believe strongly in free speech and I think that is thankfully still doing okay here.

2) I believe strongly in the right to bear arms and I think that right has taken a lot of small beatings. It's a complex issue because the intention was to make sure a populace could be well armed enough to overthrow an unjust rule (after all that's what the writers of the ammendment had just gone through)... BUT, at that time the weapons you needed to fight back were not of the destructive power that some nutjob could take out a square block. So that has to be balanced some.

3) I believe Habeus Corpus is a crucial issue and has taken a eating in the name of protecting us against terrorism (and some other things in the past as well). I don't fear so much abuse today as I do a couple generations down the line when any radical but loud group in this country gains enough power such that they can go after whoever disagrees with them.

I just see it all as a slow erosion of a system we put in place long ago to protect from the many things that are starting to happen now anyway.

MarkTiarra 10-26-2006 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 11161320)
huh? an opinion is just an opinion in case you didn't realize that. making a video and putting it online doesn't make it more credible. if what you were saying was an obvious truth that all could agree with, you wouldn't need to post a single link to wake people up. you have a view point, its very far from center no matter how you try to characterize it or how many "links" you post.

It's not just some shmuck posting on You Tube so I'd think you'd lend it a little more credence but it still is an opinion. But what is opinion vs. fact? You say I'm not "in the center." Is that fact or opinion? Did I ever say I was in the center? I don't even know what that is. I wouldn't try to over simplify my beliefs or anyone else's with a one word label. I posted what I believe above in part at least. Whatever label you want to give that - that is YOUR opinion.

Axeman 10-26-2006 01:27 PM

Get em Mark!!

US really needs a third party to enter as the underdog and get power and show the two big dogs that power is not a right and if you abuse it, then you lose the power.

MarkTiarra 10-26-2006 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 11161320)
huh? an opinion is just an opinion in case you didn't realize that. making a video and putting it online doesn't make it more credible. if what you were saying was an obvious truth that all could agree with, you wouldn't need to post a single link to wake people up. you have a view point, its very far from center no matter how you try to characterize it or how many "links" you post.

It's not just some shmuck posting on You Tube so I'd think you'd lend it a little more credence but it still is an opinion. But what is opinion vs. fact? You say I'm not "in the center." Is that fact or opinion? Did I ever say I was in the center? I don't even know what that is. I wouldn't try to over simplify my beliefs or anyone else's with a one word label. I posted what I believe above in part at least. Whatever label you want to give that - that is YOUR opinion.

Webby 10-26-2006 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TheLegacy (Post 11160127)
your constitution is not dead - just morally wounded.

Inclined to agree.

Extremist trash just need removed - they don't represent the population, but are simply an embarassment to the country :pimp

EZRhino 02-28-2007 06:54 PM

I find it funny that those who complain about the lack of freedom in America, have never lived some where without it.
US constituion is strong and it works. Liberals are just to blind with hate and intolerance to see it.

tony286 02-28-2007 06:56 PM

as long elections are bought, rights for the common man are considered unimportant.

Narfle 02-28-2007 07:07 PM

"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them… We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law, and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal."

The Open Society and Its Enemies (1945)

12clicks 02-28-2007 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkTiarra (Post 11154170)
It grows weaker every day in my view. Things the current administration does especially worry me and certianly leave things open for horrible abuse by others later down the line.

Watch this if you give a shit to hear some truth. It's as well said as anything I've ever seen on the news:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/...entry_id=10020

Olberman is a fear monger reaching back 240 years to come up with 3 instances of what he claims are abuse of power by our government in his latest "I'm a patriot therefore I hate America" rant.
His silly rant here is directed at Bush even though the military commissions act he rails at and so fears was voted on by congress, the senate and signed by the president.
This halfwit earns his living blaming Bush for non-existant abuses of power and conveniently forgets that these laws where passed by congress and the senate.
Olberman is the worst kind of fear mongering, terrorist sypathizing trash

12clicks 02-28-2007 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkTiarra (Post 11161427)
It's not just some shmuck posting on You Tube .


uh, yes it is.

aico 02-28-2007 07:24 PM

so, what are you going to do about it?

12clicks 02-28-2007 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkTiarra (Post 11161141)

The Death of Habeus Corpus - "With one stroke of a pen, President Bush has suspended a key component of the U.S. Constitution. The writ of habeus corpus has been perhaps the most vital component of our law since our country was founded, as it ensures that government must act within the law when detaining people suspected of committing crimes. With this act, we've clearly moved from the rule of law to the rule of Bush."

an idiot slogan from a party not bright enough to tie its own shoes.

again, for the slow kids, all of these "blame Bush" rants ignore the fact that the senate and congress both voted FOR the law treating enemy combatants differently than common criminals.

Hell, its a sad commentary on our idiot society that we need a law to enforce common sense. These people are at war against us, not stealing candy from us.


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