Friend Finder Inc. Question????? - GoFuckYourself.com

DateDoc · 10-14-2006, 09:30 PM

Why is it that with Friend Finder they have a minimum based on each site. It is the same company. If I make $300 with AFF and only $50 with ALT.com why do they not pay out the cumulative total? Just seems odd to me that while I can promote 10+ programs to get paid on each I have to meet the minimum on each while it is all the same company. I think this also happens with different programs within the same site - so if i do a rev share campaign and it makes the minimum I get paid on that but if I also have a per click campaign and it does not make the minimum i do not get paid on that. Just does not make sense to me other than them wanting to keep my money!!

GrouchyAdmin · 10-14-2006, 09:33 PM

It doesn't matter, man.. I've had over $50 in my single AFF PPC for the last month and haven't seen a check. I think they might just hate us Reno folk.

DateDoc · 10-14-2006, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by toonpornblog

It doesn't matter, man.. I've had over $50 in my single AFF PPC for the last month and haven't seen a check. I think they might just hate us Reno folk.

lol, i just think it is odd. As far as I know they are the only company i promote that does this.

DateDoc · 10-14-2006, 11:08 PM

hmmm, no one cares!

Trax · 10-14-2006, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BusterPorn

hmmm, no one cares!

correct...

GatorB · 10-14-2006, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BusterPorn

Why is it that with Friend Finder they have a minimum based on each site. It is the same company. If I make $300 with AFF and only $50 with ALT.com why do they not pay out the cumulative total? Just seems odd to me that while I can promote 10+ programs to get paid on each I have to meet the minimum on each while it is all the same company. I think this also happens with different programs within the same site - so if i do a rev share campaign and it makes the minimum I get paid on that but if I also have a per click campaign and it does not make the minimum i do not get paid on that. Just does not make sense to me other than them wanting to keep my money!!

As far as I know they did start doing this. The gay part is that you have to have at least $50 in each account before you get paid for that account. For example if you had $50 in AFF, $50 in Outpersonals, and $50 in Alt.com you would in fact get paid one check for all 3. However if you had $49.99 in say 20 of their programs and never got another penny in sales would would NEVER recieve a check even though you clearly have nearly $1000 coming to you.

They have a $50 minimum for payout and since they supposedly merged payouts then it should be the CUMLITIVE total that counts. If they want to raise teh cumilitive total to somehtignhighernthen fine, but it should still count. Like someone said it's all the same compnay. Can you imagine other sponsors like ARS, PimpRoll etc paying you checks based on each site they promote? That's just crazy and retarded.

Penthouse Tony · 10-15-2006, 03:17 AM

The reason you need to have a minimum before we payout is because so many affiliates have old accounts that they don't use anymore. Their newer accounts hit the minimum each month and get paid while the old accounts may only earn a few dollars. If our review team had to check every account that earned atleast one penny it would slow the entire approval process down to the point where checks would not be recieved on a timely basis.

fallenmuffin · 10-15-2006, 03:19 AM

It's Various, Inc. btw... lol

Juilan · 10-15-2006, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Sagi_AFF

The reason you need to have a minimum before we payout is because so many affiliates have old accounts that they don't use anymore. Their newer accounts hit the minimum each month and get paid while the old accounts may only earn a few dollars. If our review team had to check every account that earned atleast one penny it would slow the entire approval process down to the point where checks would not be recieved on a timely basis.

Don't understand why a human review team is needed, why can't it be programmed and done automatically? Script would check only 1 global ID so all sites promoted under that global ID are added to the cumulative total for that id and paid out.

Way it is now a webmaster could have 1 global id, and have say $49 is AFF PCT, $49 is AFF PPO, $49 is Cams PCT, $49 is Cams PPO, $49 bigchurch ect... and not be paid out $245.

Worldnet · 10-15-2006, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BusterPorn

Why is it that with Friend Finder they have a minimum based on each site. It is the same company. If I make $300 with AFF and only $50 with ALT.com why do they not pay out the cumulative total? Just seems odd to me that while I can promote 10+ programs to get paid on each I have to meet the minimum on each while it is all the same company. I think this also happens with different programs within the same site - so if i do a rev share campaign and it makes the minimum I get paid on that but if I also have a per click campaign and it does not make the minimum i do not get paid on that. Just does not make sense to me other than them wanting to keep my money!!

I had the same question. Strange isn't it, but think how much they could make off little guys who drop out.

jayeff · 10-15-2006, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Worldnet

I had the same question. Strange isn't it, but think how much they could make off little guys who drop out.

I think you just answered your own question...

AFF's spin machine needs some new writers: we are supposed to believe that anyone in their right minds would waste resources checking sub-$50 accounts, particularly if they belong to known affiliates who have had other accounts check out clean.

DateDoc · 10-15-2006, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Sagi_AFF

The reason you need to have a minimum before we payout is because so many affiliates have old accounts that they don't use anymore. Their newer accounts hit the minimum each month and get paid while the old accounts may only earn a few dollars. If our review team had to check every account that earned atleast one penny it would slow the entire approval process down to the point where checks would not be recieved on a timely basis.

I am not talking about seperate accts with different ids. This is all under one id.

Alex From San Diego · 10-15-2006, 08:39 AM

How do you think they can payout $75.00, $105.00, $200.00 or whatever joke payout "promos" they try shoving down your throat.

They will just keep on spinning it with rhetoric and BS.

Penthouse Tony · 10-15-2006, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jayeff

I think you just answered your own question...

AFF's spin machine needs some new writers: we are supposed to believe that anyone in their right minds would waste resources checking sub-$50 accounts, particularly if they belong to known affiliates who have had other accounts check out clean.

No spin. All accounts are approved seperately. Once all are approved they are combined into one check per global id. This is how the system works.

Any webmaster who has a balance in an inactive account that has been stuck for a few months let me know. I will move it to your active account so it can be paid out sooner.

donkevlar · 10-15-2006, 04:28 PM

I actually had this same concern yesterday. Instead of bitching and saying "why dont they do it like this its stupid" i politely emailed them and asked them to move the balance over to an account that WAS above $50.

I'm sure it will be no problem.

marketsmart · 10-15-2006, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by fallenmuffin

It's Various, Inc. btw... lol

yeah thats the one...

pussyluver · 10-15-2006, 04:59 PM

AFF is easy to work with. Confused, just call and they will explain and help you get things lined up. OR ICQ or email. I've found them more than responsive. Having a human ck out an account for approval makes sense to me. The details are all in the webmaster area.

Damian_Maxcash · 10-15-2006, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by donkevlar

I actually had this same concern yesterday. Instead of bitching and saying "why dont they do it like this its stupid" i politely emailed them and asked them to move the balance over to an account that WAS above $50.

I'm sure it will be no problem.

Its not as exciting that way is it - ICQing Sagi takes about 10 secs, but you can kill a whole hour posting about it on GFY

jayeff · 10-15-2006, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by damian2001

Its not as exciting that way is it - ICQing Sagi takes about 10 secs, but you can kill a whole hour posting about it on GFY

Even if that weren't a grossly inaccurate comment, it would still completely miss the point that by waiting to be asked they end up sitting on a lot of money a) in accounts which never reached the minimum and are now dormant, regardless of whether or not the affiliate is still active and b) as the original poster commented, by keeping the minimums separate for each program, the less popular programs get to hold a lot more money for longer.

Ever hear of computers? If a sponsor (and there aren't many in this situation, but AFF isn't the only one) chose to, dormant accounts could be transferred or paid out automatically. The only reason to operate as they do is because they know that a lot of money will never be claimed.

HairToStay · 10-15-2006, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Sagi_AFF

Any webmaster who has a balance in an inactive account that has been stuck for a few months let me know. I will move it to your active account so it can be paid out sooner.

How about stuck for about a year?

Damian_Maxcash · 10-15-2006, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jayeff

......The only reason to operate as they do is because they know that a lot of money will never be claimed.

My comment was supposed to be light hearted.

You are stating the above as if you know this for a fact - where do you get your info from?

It seems ridiculus to suggest that they would hold back on a few dollars for some extra profit.

I love GFY - any passing band waggon and you are all scrambling to climb on....

XPays · 10-15-2006, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sagi_AFF

No spin. All accounts are approved seperately. Once all are approved they are combined into one check per global id. This is how the system works.

Any webmaster who has a balance in an inactive account that has been stuck for a few months let me know. I will move it to your active account so it can be paid out sooner.

there is some hyperbole here. you guys claim you can't stop all the user-submitted content sites from promoting you, then you say above that you guys approve every account manually. Then, there is an issue with having a huge amount of carry-over accounts even if the master account has met the minimum. not starting shit- just saying it might be good for you all to stop posting and just let your results speak for themselves.

Tempest · 10-15-2006, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sagi_AFF

The reason you need to have a minimum before we payout is because so many affiliates have old accounts that they don't use anymore. Their newer accounts hit the minimum each month and get paid while the old accounts may only earn a few dollars. If our review team had to check every account that earned atleast one penny it would slow the entire approval process down to the point where checks would not be recieved on a timely basis.

There's this wonderfull thing called technology that can do most of your work for you... Admit it.. the problem is that your system is old and simply not built for having all the accounts combined. If you guys invested some of the boatloads of money you make from stealing traffic etc. using Zango then you could solve the problem but you choose not to.

jayeff · 10-15-2006, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by damian2001

I love GFY - any passing band waggon and you are all scrambling to climb on....

If you can restrain the snide remarks long enough to get both brain cells working, think about it.

For a program like FriendFinder, we are talking about hundreds, possibly thousands of webmasters, each of whom could have multiple accounts for sub-programs such as alt.com, friendfinder, etc. If even 500 webmasters have an average of $50 each in total, that is $25,000 and it isn't unreasonable to imagine the real number is much higher: it has been building since 1998.

So you have a respectable piece of change sitting on the books year after year, presumably growing. You know who earned it. You know why it isn't being paid out. Even if the situation initially came as a surprise, are you seriously suggesting that it has continued for 8 years without a decision ever being made to carry on that way?

Damian_Maxcash · 10-15-2006, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jayeff

If you can restrain the snide remarks long enough to get both brain cells working, think about it.

For a program like FriendFinder, we are talking about hundreds, possibly thousands of webmasters, each of whom could have multiple accounts for sub-programs such as alt.com, friendfinder, etc. If even 500 webmasters have an average of $50 each in total, that is $25,000 and it isn't unreasonable to imagine the real number is much higher: it has been building since 1998.

So you have a respectable piece of change sitting on the books year after year, presumably growing. You know who earned it. You know why it isn't being paid out. Even if the situation initially came as a surprise, are you seriously suggesting that it has continued for 8 years without a decision ever being made to carry on that way?

Isnt it just as possible that rather than messing around with a payment system that for the most part works well they decided to use the resourses to improve the sites that actually make us and them the money?

I dont know their motives and neither do you - thats why I dont think you should be offering your opinions as facts.

suesheboy · 10-15-2006, 07:08 PM

fancy way to rip off the little guy.

Power to the people!

Tempest · 10-15-2006, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by damian2001

they decided to use the resourses to improve the sites that actually make us and them the money?

that's hilarious...

Damian_Maxcash · 10-15-2006, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempest

that's hilarious...

Why?.......

Can you explain?

Tempest · 10-15-2006, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by damian2001

Why?.......

Can you explain?

Implementing a new system would be pocket change to them. As for improving their sites to make affiliates more money... I laugh at that.. those sites have remained pretty much as is for a very long time and they just tack/hack on things as they go. But even so... They are making hundreds of thousands if not millions a month NET! Your argument is ludicrous.

jayeff · 10-19-2006, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by XPays

there is some hyperbole here. you guys claim you can't stop all the user-submitted content sites from promoting you, then you say above that you guys approve every account manually. Then, there is an issue with having a huge amount of carry-over accounts even if the master account has met the minimum.

To say nothing of all the accounts which never reach $50, so they don't pay out even when someone stops promoting them for whatever reason. Peanuts individually, but thousands of dollars over the years if you consider how many long-gone webmasters are likely to have promoted AFF.

Once again AFF chooses the least "friendly" option from the affiliate point of view, the least ethical position: one which is at odds with that of not all by any means, but many other programs.

Damian_Maxcash · 10-19-2006, 03:00 PM

I dont know about anyone else but Im all Zangoed out.....

SleazyDream · 10-19-2006, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Juilan

Don't understand why a human review team is needed, why can't it be programmed and done automatically? Script would check only 1 global ID so all sites promoted under that global ID are added to the cumulative total for that id and paid out.

Way it is now a webmaster could have 1 global id, and have say $49 is AFF PCT, $49 is AFF PPO, $49 is Cams PCT, $49 is Cams PPO, $49 bigchurch ect... and not be paid out $245.

are you a complete moron?

Damian_Maxcash · 10-19-2006, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by damian2001

I dont know about anyone else but Im all Zangoed out.....

lol - I should concentrate - this one isnt about Zango.

jayeff · 10-19-2006, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by damian2001

I dont know about anyone else but Im all Zangoed out.....

That comes as a big surprise, considering you attempted so often to play down AFF's involvement with them.

Have they gone away? Has everyone stopped using them? Are you really just an affiliate?

Damian_Maxcash · 10-19-2006, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jayeff

That comes as a big surprise, considering you attempted so often to play down AFF's involvement with them.

Have they gone away? Has everyone stopped using them? Are you really just an affiliate?

Now your just making it up as you go along - I never played down their involment - I just agreed with a post Lars made that their involvment was necessary.

and yes Im just an affiliate - I just happen to have a different opinion to yours - get over it.

10-14-2006, 09:30 PM	#1
DateDoc Outside looking in. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: To Hell You Ride Posts: 14,243	Friend Finder Inc. Question????? Why is it that with Friend Finder they have a minimum based on each site. It is the same company. If I make $300 with AFF and only $50 with ALT.com why do they not pay out the cumulative total? Just seems odd to me that while I can promote 10+ programs to get paid on each I have to meet the minimum on each while it is all the same company. I think this also happens with different programs within the same site - so if i do a rev share campaign and it makes the minimum I get paid on that but if I also have a per click campaign and it does not make the minimum i do not get paid on that. Just does not make sense to me other than them wanting to keep my money!! __________________

10-14-2006, 09:33 PM	#2
GrouchyAdmin Now choke yourself! Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 12,085	It doesn't matter, man.. I've had over $50 in my single AFF PPC for the last month and haven't seen a check. I think they might just hate us Reno folk. __________________ AIM: GrouchyGfy

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DateDoc Outside looking in. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: To Hell You Ride Posts: 14,243	hmmm, no one cares! __________________

10-15-2006, 03:17 AM	#7
Penthouse Tony Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mountain View, CA Posts: 5,835	The reason you need to have a minimum before we payout is because so many affiliates have old accounts that they don't use anymore. Their newer accounts hit the minimum each month and get paid while the old accounts may only earn a few dollars. If our review team had to check every account that earned atleast one penny it would slow the entire approval process down to the point where checks would not be recieved on a timely basis. __________________ aamos AT FFN dot com Penthouse.com Business Development ICQ: 49090846 \| Yahoo IM: ff_aamos

10-15-2006, 08:39 AM	#13
Alex From San Diego Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: San Diego Posts: 1,642	How do you think they can payout $75.00, $105.00, $200.00 or whatever joke payout "promos" they try shoving down your throat. They will just keep on spinning it with rhetoric and BS. __________________ We are what we repeatedly do.-Aristotle

10-15-2006, 03:19 AM	#8
fallenmuffin Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 8,170	It's Various, Inc. btw... lol

10-15-2006, 04:28 PM	#15
donkevlar Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,325	I actually had this same concern yesterday. Instead of bitching and saying "why dont they do it like this its stupid" i politely emailed them and asked them to move the balance over to an account that WAS above $50. I'm sure it will be no problem. __________________ [email protected]

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pussyluver Clueless OleMan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ICQ - 169903487 Posts: 11,009	AFF is easy to work with. Confused, just call and they will explain and help you get things lined up. OR ICQ or email. I've found them more than responsive. Having a human ck out an account for approval makes sense to me. The details are all in the webmaster area.

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10-19-2006, 03:00 PM	#31
Damian_Maxcash So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: MaxCash.com Posts: 12,745	I dont know about anyone else but Im all Zangoed out.....