HITBOT 4 SALE - 1,000,000 hits an hour on DSL - GoFuckYourself.com

g33k · 07-03-2002, 08:50 PM

Thanks to new multi-threading technology & faster access lines, this hitbot is now not only possible, but affordable!

For only $2,000 heres what you get

- Untraceable proxies (all on odd numbered ports i.e. 20383, 9202, etc.) You get 30,000 new ones a month. (more upon request)

- 2,000 threads (Almost 2,000 hits a second)

WILL BYPASS PROXYGAURD & CJ's New Proxy Protection!

Best of all! EVERYTHING IS CUSTOM FOR YOU.

That means, sponsors won't ever be able to track it

In fact i've been using it for months on traffic trades with some of the biggest guys in the industry. Its untouchable 100% garunteed.

Want it? E-mail me [email protected]

[this is a joke/informational message] the e-mail address is real but only meant to log cheaters

playa · 07-03-2002, 08:56 PM

why do i get the feeling that this isn't a joke

g33k · 07-03-2002, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by playa
why do i get the feeling that this isn't a joke

because its description is so precise?

InsaneMidget · 07-03-2002, 08:57 PM

I'm also wondering when he is going to jump out and say it was a joke.

wannabeapornstar · 07-03-2002, 08:57 PM

give me 2 of them

Pipecrew · 07-03-2002, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by playa
why do i get the feeling that this isn't a joke

no shit eh..... one of those jokes where the guy just knows a little too much

TheFLY · 07-03-2002, 08:59 PM

Too funny. Good thing I have custom hitbot detection.

[Labret] · 07-03-2002, 08:59 PM

hit me up

[email protected]

Im not kidding.

g33k · 07-03-2002, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pipecrew

no shit eh..... one of those jokes where the guy just knows a little too much

You should know you beta tested for me

TheFLY · 07-03-2002, 09:00 PM

For $3000 will you come to my house and install it? Don't mind the SWAT team -- those guys are my buddies.

RK · 07-03-2002, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by playa
why do i get the feeling that this isn't a joke

It probably is a joke since such a program can not be created for technical reasons.

g33k · 07-03-2002, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheFLY
Too funny. Good thing I have custom hitbot detection.

I bet you bring coupons to the grocery store

TheFLY · 07-03-2002, 09:02 PM

Anyhow who sends $2000 to someone w/ an anonymous email address LOL...

playa · 07-03-2002, 09:02 PM

That means, sponsors won't ever be able to track it In fact i've been using it for months on traffic trades with some of the biggest guys in the industry. Its untouchable 100% garunteed.

well this isn't a funny statement

-=HUNGRYMAN=- · 07-03-2002, 09:03 PM

SWAT teams are not fun Pete

..... LOL

Pipecrew · 07-03-2002, 09:04 PM

there was a few sites that tried sending shit from there home computers, it only takes a few people to question it and you are ruined, not worth the risk!

g33k · 07-03-2002, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RK

It probably is a joke since such a program can not be created for technical reasons.

Really?

So im sure sprint & all the other T-1 Providers out there don't offer you an unlimited amount of ip's. Not to mention hosting providers who have HUGE scopes of ips.

But sure not technically possible, nothings impossible with a little know-how & some electronic elbow grease.

TheFLY · 07-03-2002, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by g33k

I bet you bring coupons to the grocery store

Hehe... Sorry don't use grocery stores.

All my meals are served to me.

g33k · 07-03-2002, 09:06 PM

Lets just say i have some big clients using my systems. Some of them throw big parties in vegas, some of them rent even bigger ships

playa · 07-03-2002, 09:07 PM

well,,, i can't see how possible it is to fake productivity,,,
lots of sites use label certain links to catch cheaters

playa · 07-03-2002, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by g33k
Lets just say i have some big clients using my systems. Some of them throw big parties in vegas, some of them rent even bigger ships

hmm,, so i guess your saying that SleazyDream is a cheater

TheFLY · 07-03-2002, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pipecrew
there was a few sites that tried sending shit from there home computers, it only takes a few people to question it and you are ruined, not worth the risk!

Well that's where you're wrong... as far as I know you can link proxy servers together in a chain -- even password protected chains... Hypothetically you could have an anonymous proxy server (being commanded remotely by a DSL) sending out thousands of hitbot commands to various proxy servers. And it seems to me even more likely that somebody has come up w/ an advanced proxy server that's designed for the very purpose of hitbotting...

I'm not even much of a programmer but it seems to me it would be possible to code an email worm virus that could spread thousands of very capable hitbot servers designed to emulate a typical surfer... how would anyone even know how to look for a custom hitbot server? You just can't. That's why proxy detection is totally useless IMHO.

g33k · 07-03-2002, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by playa
well,,, i can't see how possible it is to fake productivity,,,
lots of sites use label certain links to catch cheaters

Duh, you mix it in with real traffic. You think tgp traffic has gotten worse? Guess why

Dawgy · 07-03-2002, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by -=HUNGRYMAN=-
SWAT teams are not fun

oh i dunno... big musclely guys wearing tight black clothes.... hard plastic masks.... and carrying machine guns... all crammed into the back of a big truck.... getting hot.... sweating.... breathing hard..... getting ready to jump out at once... and pound down your door with their big, rough hands.... then wrestle you to the ground.... even if youre just in your boxers... and tie you up from behind... then put u back in the truck with them... then they take off that hot, sticky riot gear and relax...

err... ok i better go back to work now.

TheFLY · 07-03-2002, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by playa
well,,, i can't see how possible it is to fake productivity,,,

Notice he mentions how many "threads" this bot can use -- if you know about the execution flow of software -- a multi-threaded program can follow independent paths... so you can imagine that an advanced hitbot could fake productivity by spidering through thousands of paths -- well this is exactly how search engines work -- it's nothing new... I'm pretty sure even SE traffic fakes productivity.

g33k · 07-03-2002, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheFLY

And it seems to me even more likely that somebody has come up w/ an advanced proxy server that's designed for the very purpose of hitbotting...

Holy crap hes not really an idiot hes just been pretending all this time!

g33k · 07-03-2002, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheFLY
I'm pretty sure even SE traffic fakes productivity.

Wouldn't you know i just got fired from Yahoo!

Things that make you go "Hmmmm"

playa · 07-03-2002, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by g33k

Duh, you mix it in with real traffic. You think tgp traffic has gotten worse? Guess why

your really giving me a headache,, i had a theory that 20% of tgp traffic were faked,,,,

don't get offended when i say that i wish you was dead cuz your making honest people loose $$$

Pipecrew · 07-03-2002, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by g33k

Wouldn't you know i just got fired from Yahoo!

Things that make you go "Hmmmm"

I'd guess you're an idiot for 500 alex

g33k · 07-03-2002, 09:16 PM

Oh its not a theory its a fact my friend. Don't shoot the messanger though.

I'm just joking about the program & selling it.

But take what you will from this, because its very very real.

And every day you guys are getting fucked in the ass

REAMED IN THE ASS

By guess who? Commands always come down from the top (bank on that)

g33k · 07-03-2002, 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pipecrew

I'd guess you're an idiot for 500 alex

I almost spilt my drink slapping my knee

Lexxx · 07-03-2002, 09:22 PM

I wonder if anybody in adult industry is capable of sending 1 Million hits an hour to a sponsor...

TheFLY · 07-03-2002, 09:25 PM

I'll tell you some really fucked up shit here on GFY that I probably shouldn't even open my mouth about.

One day I met some random guy -- it was wierd that he sat down by me -- I had just got back from Vegas the week before -- well I tell him about my biz -- before I know it, he's telling me all kinds of shit that would blow you away -- I won't mention it here... but anyhow the guy describes to me this hitbot that he has seen that's used to launder money. What better way to make money appear out of thin air -- fake hits...??? Do you really think the IRS can make sense out of a pile of IP logs? Hell even we can't. The future is here guys -- read Burning Chrome by William Gibson -- Gibson was a visionary -- the science fiction shit he wrote about 20 years ago is happening right now.

RK · 07-03-2002, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by g33k

Really?

So im sure sprint & all the other T-1 Providers out there don't offer you an unlimited amount of ip's. Not to mention hosting providers who have HUGE scopes of ips.

But sure not technically possible, nothings impossible with a little know-how & some electronic elbow grease.

You are right, they don't offer an unlimited amount of IPs, ARIN requires justification. There are a number of reasons why it is (almost) technically impossible but I wont go into details so not to give anyone any ideas. The most basic reason is that all (in common use) CPUs can only perform ONE task at a time so even if you have 2000 threads (which would crash most operating systems and would not be allowed by windows, there is a maximum process as well as connection limit) they will run one after another which would probably not give you more speed than 100 threads.

nocostporn · 07-03-2002, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheFLY
I'll tell you some really fucked up shit here on GFY that I probably shouldn't even open my mouth about.

One day I met some random guy -- it was wierd that he sat down by me -- I had just got back from Vegas the week before -- well I tell him about my biz -- before I know it, he's telling me all kinds of shit that would blow you away -- I won't mention it here... but anyhow the guy describes to me this hitbot that he has seen that's used to launder money. What better way to make money appear out of thin air -- fake hits...??? Do you really think the IRS can make sense out of a pile of IP logs? Hell even we can't. The future is here guys -- read Burning Chrome by William Gibson -- Gibson was a visionary -- the science fiction shit he wrote about 20 years ago is happening right now.

the future is here? LOL what the fuck? If everybody is using a hitbot how the hell is that the future? Unlike a lot of other scamming ways in this industry,thats something that will never take over... don't be a dumb bitch...please...for me

RK · 07-03-2002, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheFLY

code an email worm virus that could spread thousands of very capable hitbot servers designed to emulate a typical surfer... how would anyone even know how to look for a custom hitbot server? You just can't.

You are right, that is how DDoS works. You spread many small "servers" to many users and then from a master server tell them which addresses to hit. I guess that can be beaten by inserting elements in your web site that could never be bypassed using AI (for hitbots, not DDoS).

TheFLY · 07-03-2002, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RK

You are right, they don't offer an unlimited amount of IPs, ARIN requires justification. There are a number of reasons why it is (almost) technically impossible but I wont go into details so not to give anyone any ideas. The most basic reason is that all (in common use) CPUs can only perform ONE task at a time so even if you have 2000 threads (which would crash most operating systems and would not be allowed by windows, there is a maximum process as well as connection limit) they will run one after another which would probably not give you more speed than 100 threads.

Well I'm no genius -- but hello -- distributed processing... From my PC I could send out an instruction set to my drones -- ie: the "proxy" servers -- then the drones split up the threads... in the case of a "worm server" (is this possible?) it seems that the # of IP's you would have at your disposal would be virtually unlimited.

Chris R · 07-03-2002, 09:33 PM

ok - this has bothered me for sometime - please explain to me what I am missing:

With a program like AXS - I can easily see what someone sends me:

A visitor from XXXXX.client2.attbi.com (65.96.XXXX)
A visitor from spider-mtc-ti051.proxy.aol.com (64.12.101.171)
A visitor from pool-151-203-XXXX.bos.east.verizon.net (151.203.XXX)
A visitor from 208-59-157-XXXXXX.frdb.va.dialup.rcn.com (208.59.157.XXXXX)
A visitor from ip68-100-XXXXX.nv.nv.cox.net (68.100.XXXXX)
A visitor from XZXX.washingtonXXXX.dc.dial-access.att.net (12.91.XXXXX)

I see stuff like this over and over. Overall on one domain I have:

[who] aol.com 22.16% 12256
IP addr 11.07% 6125
[who] comcast.net 11.01% 6091
[who] attbi.com 5.39% 2981
[who] verizon.net 4.11% 2274
[who] level3.net 3.01% 1666
[who] rcn.net 2.67% 1476
[who] uu.net 2.63% 1454
[who] rr.com 2.60% 1438
[who] mindspring.com 2.08% 1150
[who] att.net 1.62% 897
[who] cox.net 1.43% 789
[who] rcn.com 1.21% 672
[who] adelphia.net 1.09% 605

shouldn't I be seeing something like that from trade partners. Granted - I can see people being able to buff their trades with hitbot traffic, but wouldn't I be able to tell - just by looking at percentages - who is sending me crap traffic - wouldn't traffic like comcast.net & cox be considered a predictor of quality - or can these be hitbotted as well.

Wouldn't dialup access that has the name of the city in the name lookup - wouoldn't a good spread of that be hard to fake?

Scootermuze · 07-03-2002, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by g33k
Lets just say i have some big clients using my systems. Some of them throw big parties in vegas, some of them rent even bigger ships

I know a few people that throw even bigger parties and sink even bigger ships.. and these people don't like having their money fucked with.. know what I mean????????

playa · 07-03-2002, 09:35 PM

this thread needs to be locked,,,

dodo · 07-03-2002, 09:38 PM

do you guys know how many corrupt techs are out there working for hosting companies. IP's would not be a problem.

I think it's stupid to connect through a proxie to simulate a visit or click. There are many other, more secure, undetectable ways you could programmaticly do it.

RK · 07-03-2002, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheFLY

Well I'm no genius -- but hello -- distributed processing... From my PC I could send out an instruction set to my drones -- ie: the "proxy" servers -- then the drones split up the threads... in the case of a "worm server" (is this possible?) it seems that the # of IP's you would have at your disposal would be virtually unlimited.

Yes, you are right, as I mentioned in my post above

g33k, OTOH, was talking about actual proxies, not "drones". Proxy being something that the connection goes through (does not initiate the connection) and that hides the source IP and replaces it with it's own. He also implied the proxies are running on servers, the "drone" idea is based on windows users opening email attachments etc.

TheFLY · 07-03-2002, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nocostporn
the future is here? LOL what the fuck? If everybody is using a hitbot how the hell is that the future? Unlike a lot of other scamming ways in this industry,thats something that will never take over... don't be a dumb bitch...please...for me

Don't put words in my mouth -- I'm not talking about the future for the masses -- I'm talking about what goes on behind the scenes for the rich and the powerful.

g33k · 07-03-2002, 09:40 PM

THIS WAS A JOKE

But it did address a very real problem. So we shouldn't lock the thread. We should help open the eyes of webmasters to a very real problem that faces us every day.

We need a way to stop this shit!

And don't start crying about (this just showed them how to make a hitbot)

If they wanted to know how, they would figure it out.

RK · 07-03-2002, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by g33k

I'm just joking about the program & selling it.

TheFLY · 07-03-2002, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chris R
Wouldn't dialup access that has the name of the city in the name lookup - wouoldn't a good spread of that be hard to fake?

Your logs don't mean shit if the drones attacking you are spread out on real surfer's machines (w/o their knowledge). In other words you have traffic from real people connected to the internet -- and these people are oblivious that they are sending fake hits to porno sites... Like somebody said -- that's how a DOS attack works so I don't see why sending porno hits would be any different.

g33k · 07-03-2002, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RK

ok mr (thats technically impossible!)

You got shot down pretty quick so now your pissed off

RK · 07-03-2002, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by g33k

ok mr (thats technically impossible!)

You got shot down pretty quick so now your pissed off

You admitted/said that the program you are advertising is a joke, EXACTLY what I said. Am I wrong?

"shot down"? By whom? Who in this thread proved that any one of my statements is incorrect?

I'll be more than happy to finish this debate with you, if you have any valid points to make and try to avoid personal attacks

TheFLY · 07-03-2002, 09:57 PM

Anyway it's all disturbing -- but in reality a bot that would be able to elude detection would have to be customized to hell and would cost a small fortune to code and implement -- and you can bet there would be VERY few people using such an advanced bot... You have to consider that the amount of time and money put into such a "killer" bot would have to be justified by a score of cash worthy of that time and money. Nobody is going to invest many hundreds of hours of coding time just to steal some hits from your little CJ site.

Most webmasters know their sites intimately -- and bot behavior is always going to appear abnormal if used in excess -- so really how much money could you be losing? Not much at all. You can spend days in worry like I did at first -- in the end you have to live with the looming potential for evil. My advice is to do biz w/ lots of smaller players and you will never have the problem of a few corrupt persons taking advantage of you... Diversify.

Sponsors aren't too worried about fake hits as long as the sales come in.

But you got to wonder if any sponsors cheat themselves -- to create payouts out of thin air... for whatever purposes. LOL

Chris R · 07-03-2002, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheFLY

Your logs don't mean shit if the drones attacking you are spread out on real surfer's machines (w/o their knowledge). In other words you have traffic from real people connected to the internet -- and these people are oblivious that they are sending fake hits to porno sites... Like somebody said -- that's how a DOS attack works so I don't see why sending porno hits would be any different.

That would be detected by someone (on their end). Once it is - someone could design a program that would randomly try the ips that were accessing you for vulnerabilities.

Also - you would most likely notice - many MORE cable modems and Windows NT Machines.

It would be pretty nasty for a while.

Just my 2 cents - my question was more about present day cheating (assuming what you have talked about hasn't happened yet).

It would seem to me to be a way to measure quality of traffic. But of course, that wouldn't work if they were drones...

07-03-2002, 08:50 PM	#1
g33k Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 175	HITBOT 4 SALE - 1,000,000 hits an hour on DSL Thanks to new multi-threading technology & faster access lines, this hitbot is now not only possible, but affordable! For only $2,000 heres what you get - Untraceable proxies (all on odd numbered ports i.e. 20383, 9202, etc.) You get 30,000 new ones a month. (more upon request) - 2,000 threads (Almost 2,000 hits a second) WILL BYPASS PROXYGAURD & CJ's New Proxy Protection! Best of all! EVERYTHING IS CUSTOM FOR YOU. That means, sponsors won't ever be able to track it In fact i've been using it for months on traffic trades with some of the biggest guys in the industry. Its untouchable 100% garunteed. Want it? E-mail me [email protected] [this is a joke/informational message] the e-mail address is real but only meant to log cheaters Last edited by g33k; 07-03-2002 at 09:46 PM..

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07-03-2002, 09:03 PM	#15
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07-03-2002, 09:22 PM	#32
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07-03-2002, 09:38 PM	#41
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07-03-2002, 08:56 PM	#2
playa Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: atlanta, GA Posts: 6,432	why do i get the feeling that this isn't a joke

07-03-2002, 08:57 PM	#4
InsaneMidget Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ontario Posts: 3,767	I'm also wondering when he is going to jump out and say it was a joke.

07-03-2002, 08:59 PM	#7
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	Too funny. Good thing I have custom hitbot detection.

07-03-2002, 08:59 PM	#8
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	hit me up [email protected] Im not kidding.

07-03-2002, 09:00 PM	#10
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	For $3000 will you come to my house and install it? Don't mind the SWAT team -- those guys are my buddies.

07-03-2002, 09:02 PM	#13
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	Anyhow who sends $2000 to someone w/ an anonymous email address LOL...

07-03-2002, 09:04 PM	#16
Pipecrew Master of Gfy.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 14,887	there was a few sites that tried sending shit from there home computers, it only takes a few people to question it and you are ruined, not worth the risk!

07-03-2002, 09:06 PM	#19
g33k Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 175	Lets just say i have some big clients using my systems. Some of them throw big parties in vegas, some of them rent even bigger ships

07-03-2002, 09:07 PM	#20
playa Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: atlanta, GA Posts: 6,432	well,,, i can't see how possible it is to fake productivity,,, lots of sites use label certain links to catch cheaters

07-03-2002, 09:16 PM	#30
g33k Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 175	Oh its not a theory its a fact my friend. Don't shoot the messanger though. I'm just joking about the program & selling it. But take what you will from this, because its very very real. And every day you guys are getting fucked in the ass REAMED IN THE ASS By guess who? Commands always come down from the top (bank on that)

07-03-2002, 09:25 PM	#33
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	I'll tell you some really fucked up shit here on GFY that I probably shouldn't even open my mouth about. One day I met some random guy -- it was wierd that he sat down by me -- I had just got back from Vegas the week before -- well I tell him about my biz -- before I know it, he's telling me all kinds of shit that would blow you away -- I won't mention it here... but anyhow the guy describes to me this hitbot that he has seen that's used to launder money. What better way to make money appear out of thin air -- fake hits...??? Do you really think the IRS can make sense out of a pile of IP logs? Hell even we can't. The future is here guys -- read Burning Chrome by William Gibson -- Gibson was a visionary -- the science fiction shit he wrote about 20 years ago is happening right now.

07-03-2002, 09:33 PM	#38
Chris R Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Baltimore, MD USA Posts: 1,151	ok - this has bothered me for sometime - please explain to me what I am missing: With a program like AXS - I can easily see what someone sends me: A visitor from XXXXX.client2.attbi.com (65.96.XXXX) A visitor from spider-mtc-ti051.proxy.aol.com (64.12.101.171) A visitor from pool-151-203-XXXX.bos.east.verizon.net (151.203.XXX) A visitor from 208-59-157-XXXXXX.frdb.va.dialup.rcn.com (208.59.157.XXXXX) A visitor from ip68-100-XXXXX.nv.nv.cox.net (68.100.XXXXX) A visitor from XZXX.washingtonXXXX.dc.dial-access.att.net (12.91.XXXXX) I see stuff like this over and over. Overall on one domain I have: [who] aol.com 22.16% 12256 IP addr 11.07% 6125 [who] comcast.net 11.01% 6091 [who] attbi.com 5.39% 2981 [who] verizon.net 4.11% 2274 [who] level3.net 3.01% 1666 [who] rcn.net 2.67% 1476 [who] uu.net 2.63% 1454 [who] rr.com 2.60% 1438 [who] mindspring.com 2.08% 1150 [who] att.net 1.62% 897 [who] cox.net 1.43% 789 [who] rcn.com 1.21% 672 [who] adelphia.net 1.09% 605 shouldn't I be seeing something like that from trade partners. Granted - I can see people being able to buff their trades with hitbot traffic, but wouldn't I be able to tell - just by looking at percentages - who is sending me crap traffic - wouldn't traffic like comcast.net & cox be considered a predictor of quality - or can these be hitbotted as well. Wouldn't dialup access that has the name of the city in the name lookup - wouoldn't a good spread of that be hard to fake?

07-03-2002, 09:35 PM	#40
playa Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: atlanta, GA Posts: 6,432	this thread needs to be locked,,,

07-03-2002, 09:40 PM	#44
g33k Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 175	THIS WAS A JOKE But it did address a very real problem. So we shouldn't lock the thread. We should help open the eyes of webmasters to a very real problem that faces us every day. We need a way to stop this shit! And don't start crying about (this just showed them how to make a hitbot) If they wanted to know how, they would figure it out.

07-03-2002, 09:57 PM	#49
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	Anyway it's all disturbing -- but in reality a bot that would be able to elude detection would have to be customized to hell and would cost a small fortune to code and implement -- and you can bet there would be VERY few people using such an advanced bot... You have to consider that the amount of time and money put into such a "killer" bot would have to be justified by a score of cash worthy of that time and money. Nobody is going to invest many hundreds of hours of coding time just to steal some hits from your little CJ site. Most webmasters know their sites intimately -- and bot behavior is always going to appear abnormal if used in excess -- so really how much money could you be losing? Not much at all. You can spend days in worry like I did at first -- in the end you have to live with the looming potential for evil. My advice is to do biz w/ lots of smaller players and you will never have the problem of a few corrupt persons taking advantage of you... Diversify. Sponsors aren't too worried about fake hits as long as the sales come in. But you got to wonder if any sponsors cheat themselves -- to create payouts out of thin air... for whatever purposes. LOL Last edited by TheFLY; 07-03-2002 at 09:59 PM..