Is 'LOLITA' legal?? - GoFuckYourself.com

MikeChangs · 07-02-2002, 03:21 PM

We all know we have to be careful what words we use on sites, but does anyone know whether the word 'LOLITA' is actually legal to use when advertising or placing on a site?

Comments please

Mr.Fiction · 07-02-2002, 03:26 PM

Lolita is a book, it's a word, it's a name, of course 100% legal.

If Bush/Ashooooo have their way certain books and words may someday be illegal, but not quite yet.

Whether it's right to use certain words or not is another issue, but it's certainly legal.

michaelw · 07-02-2002, 03:26 PM

i think there was a law passed recently that it wasnt allowed..

but i dont get these lolita sites.. even the big names use em where the models clearly look under 18.. its sick really

Kat - Fast · 07-02-2002, 03:27 PM

It's legal enough... doesn't mean that sponsors like it though, I know of a few that will can you for using the word in your metas or displayed on your site...

Ace-Ace · 07-02-2002, 03:29 PM

I believe using the word itself is legal; however, having pictures of actual "lolitas" is quite illegal (in the US at least).

MikeChangs · 07-02-2002, 03:31 PM

The thing with these words are whether they are right or wrong they are what surfers search for.

michaelw · 07-02-2002, 03:38 PM

something was posted on AWI a long time ago about how lolita was not allowed in a url or anything..

which is why elroN had to change his program from lolitafuckmovies.com to virgin-movies.com

Mr.Fiction · 07-02-2002, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by michaelw
something was posted on AWI a long time ago about how lolita was not allowed in a url or anything..

which is why elroN had to change his program from lolitafuckmovies.com to virgin-movies.com

I think that what you might be talking about is that Visa may not process for sites that have Lolita in the URL?

UnseenWorld · 07-02-2002, 03:50 PM

It's legal. It just might draw some added FBI attention to you if you use it, which is why a lot of sites won't deal with you if you do. Better to stay away from it for that reason alone. "Teen" is enough of a problem for many people, "Lolita" seems to promise actual underage girls in many people's minds. Sure, it's just a name (it means "little Lola"), but as someone once said, "It may be just a word, but words have meanings."

Gutterboy · 07-02-2002, 03:51 PM

The plot of Nabokov's book "Lolita" , which popularized the term, has a 12 year old girl seducing a man in his 40's.

If you are concerned with the legalities, then the bottom line is that its not illegal to use the term. The problem is that you ever did need to defend yourself in court, you are handing yourself to the prosecutors on a platter by using that term. A convincing argument can be made that the term refers specifically to underage girls. They will use it to paint you as a pedophile, an entertainer of pedophiles, a profiter from pedophillia, anything to predjudice the judge or jury against you and get a conviction.

Lensman · 07-02-2002, 03:52 PM

According to VISA, it's very illegal. They will not allow any sites that use the term Lolita.

Trolleater · 07-02-2002, 03:53 PM

someone did something wrong

Mr.Fiction · 07-02-2002, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lensman
According to VISA, it's very illegal. They will not allow any sites that use the term Lolita.

It is against Visa's rules, it is not illegal. The word "damn" is against my grandma's rules. I can't say it in her house, but I can't be arrested for saying it either.

Words are not illegal in America yet. Give the right wing fanatics time, though, and anything is possible.

hyper · 07-02-2002, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

Words are not illegal in America yet

So i can go to the airport and say "Thats The BOMB!"

jimmyf · 07-02-2002, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

It is against Visa's rules, it is not illegal. The word "damn" is against my grandma's rules. I can't say it in her house, but I can't be arrested for saying it either.

Words are not illegal in America yet. Give the right wing fanatics time, though, and anything is possible.

Would you happen to be a Liberal
or a Right wing Liberal... or an Ultra Right Wing
Liberal or Super Duper Ultra Right wing Liberal?

jimmyf · 07-02-2002, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hyper

So i can go to the airport and say "Thats The BOMB!"

Yep you sure can.... Good luck. Mind if I watch..

RW316 · 07-02-2002, 04:26 PM

wat does lolita mean?

TopCashQ · 07-02-2002, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jimmyf

Would you happen to be a Liberal
or a Right wing Liberal... or an Ultra Right Wing
Liberal or Super Duper Ultra Right wing Liberal?

I'm not sure if this is a clever point about how ultra-liberals are so politically correct that they approach neo-fascism with their policiing of "hateful" language, or if you're just confused as to which wing is associated with liberalism....

RW316 · 07-02-2002, 04:27 PM

Lo·li·ta Pronunciation Key (l-lt)
n.
A seductive adolescent girl.

jimmyf · 07-02-2002, 04:40 PM

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Originally posted by TopCashQ

I'm not sure if this is a clever point about how ultra-liberals are so politically correct that they approach neo-fascism with their policiing of "hateful" language, or if you're just confused as to which wing is associated with liberalism....

Me confused?

Sly_RJ · 07-02-2002, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

Words are not illegal in America yet. Give the right wing fanatics time, though, and anything is possible.

What a funny statement. Discrimination, harassment, verbal abuse... I'm not positive, but it seems to me that each of these have came about because of liberals. I really don't know, so please correct me if I'm wrong...

jimmyf · 07-02-2002, 05:19 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

What a funny statement. Discrimination, harassment, verbal abuse... I'm not positive, but it seems to me that each of these have came about because of liberals. I really don't know, so please correct me if I'm wrong...

Are you confused or just being sarcastic?

gothweb · 07-02-2002, 05:23 PM

There was a law that said you can't have content pretending to be underage... Not even a forty year old woman dressed as a child, if you say she is 16. The idea was that the illusion was as bad as actually doing it. This law was recently overturned... Now, the model has to *actually* be a child for it to be illegal. So having the word Lolita on your site isn't illegal. You can even have a whole site that pretends all the models are 14... as long as they really aren't, and the 2257 statement confirms that.

However, as some people have said, using such marketing will get you unwanted attention from VISA and from the authories... The former won't let you take their cards, and the latter will probably double-check all your model releases.

Sly_RJ · 07-02-2002, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jimmyf

Are you confused or just being sarcastic?

A little of both.

But I do know one thing, I'm much more afraid of liberals than conservatives. Especially when Freedom of Speech comes into play. Remember guys, you can't hit on a chick barely without fearing sexual harassment...

vegasdude · 07-02-2002, 05:58 PM

my

cents

I saw a pornomagasine (very respected) at the tank station the other day use the lolita word........

makes you wonder.....

but yes the word is not illegal but the word brings nothing but assiciations to the darksite of porn

MikeChangs · 07-02-2002, 06:05 PM

I aggree it can be used as a word to descrip that bad side of the business but I was told it was illegal to use it, yet my main sponsor hs it in their name!

clickpimp · 07-02-2002, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
Words are not illegal in America yet. Give the right wing fanatics time, though, and anything is possible.

Wasn't it the liberal 9th Circuit Court of Appeals that decided the words 'under God' are unconsitutional in the pledge?

clickpimp · 07-02-2002, 06:20 PM

wondering ... what about rape/torture sites? last i checked rape and torture are both highly illegal, yet these are semi-common bdsm search terms.

pornjudge · 07-02-2002, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MikeChangs
We all know we have to be careful what words we use on sites, but does anyone know whether the word 'LOLITA' is actually legal to use when advertising or placing on a site?

Comments please

It is legal to use the name lolita, thats if the girls are of legal age. Most of the credit card company's now don't allow the word lolita in their url, I know allot of lolita sites that had to change their names to other name if they wanted to keep using ccbill or ibill as their credit card processors. For instant lolitasex.com changed their name to daddysdarling.com....

foe · 07-02-2002, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ace-Ace
I believe using the word itself is legal; however, having pictures of actual "lolitas" is quite illegal (in the US at least).

morally wrong too

SunTzu · 07-02-2002, 10:05 PM

Man I'm tired of fucking visa and oooooash censoring shit. Nothing wrong with the word lolita, it's the damn russion top lists that used that word for their pedo crap and gave it a bad rap.

Even ccbill and epoch have it in their contracts not to use lolita anymore...

mike503 · 07-02-2002, 10:23 PM

i wouldn't fuck with it.

don't use it. it's trouble waiting to happen.. some sensative people will go nuts on you.

Mr.Fiction · 07-03-2002, 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

A little of both.

But I do know one thing, I'm much more afraid of liberals than conservatives. Especially when Freedom of Speech comes into play.

If you are more afraid of Liberals than Conservatives then you are exactly the kind of person that people like John Ash-ooooo and Joseph McCarthy need on their side. Keep up the good work, man!

By the way, are you a member of the Free Speech Coalition? They are the adult industry free speech lobbying/legal group. You should ask them who is more dangerous to free speech, conservatives or liberals. Remember, these are the people that keep your business legal and fight the court cases that allow you to keep making money. Ask them who is more dangerous to free speech in America. Ask Larry Flynt, Max Hardcore, Phil Harvey, or any number of other people who have fought the fight that allows you to make money selling adult material.

For the person who mentioned the pledge court decision, the constitution doesn't allow the government to promote religion in public schools. That is the constitution, not a judge. If you have a problem with the constitution, that's fine. Also, for your information, the judge who wrote the decision was appointed by conservative republican Richard Nixon.

However, do not, by any means, let facts get in the way of talk radio propaganda.

Buba_Smith2 · 07-03-2002, 12:36 AM

What's the difference between using the term "lolita" and using the term "school girl". Both are indications of girls under the age of 18, both will get you more traffic because most guys ARE pedophiles, whether they're willing to admit it or not. Think about it, other than a 3some with 2 chicks, the number one fantasy is a school girl. Hell, the legal age of consent (in Canada) is 14. You can use the term, you can flaunt young women, just make sure that if the situation arises, you can show proof of the ages of all of your models. otherwise your asshole will go from "o" to "O".

Mikeee · 07-03-2002, 01:12 AM

It's perfectly legal. You can use any word you like. You can say RAPE, LOLITA, BEAST... etc.. as long as you dont link or host any illegal shit you're ok. It's not smart to use these words as an encouragement to do such crap. THAT is Illegal.

mike503 · 07-03-2002, 01:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mikeee
It's perfectly legal. You can use any word you like. You can say RAPE, LOLITA, BEAST... etc.. as long as you dont link or host any illegal shit you're ok. It's not smart to use these words as an encouragement to do such crap. THAT is Illegal.

how else would "john q. adult webmaster" use them? it's pointless to even think about using it. "lolita" + porn = bad combination. don't try it.

Mikeee · 07-03-2002, 01:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mike503

how else would "john q. adult webmaster" use them? it's pointless to even think about using it. "lolita" + porn = bad combination. don't try it.

He is not promoting illegal sites. If he is then he can go fuck himself in jail. I'm saying it is NOT illegal to use those words. "Is this Beastiality? You tell me! Click HERE!" ... that sentence is not illegal if it goes to some porn site such as girliezoo.

If you're not comfortable doing it. Then dont. I dont use those words myself, but I answered his question. It is legal. Some of us don't pay attorneys for opinions.

MikeChangs · 07-03-2002, 08:50 AM

ok fairenough, thanks for the input boys

chodadog · 07-03-2002, 09:03 AM

I don't think the world lolita is illegal, but i think it attracts a lot of unwanted attention. Like it or not, the word is synonymous with paedophilia.

Let's face it, the word is ambiguous at best. The literal meaning doesn't mean anything if the common belief is something different.

Due to these reasons (and many more), many sponsors don't like it. And will not permit the use of the word on any site you're using to promote their program.

To me, most importantly, the ethics of the situation. Once again, the literal meaning of the word doesn't mean a whole lot. It's generally accepted as a term for underage girls, and that's the way it will be perceived. If you want to steer clear from anything even remotely suspicious, do not use that word on your sites.

Sly_RJ · 07-03-2002, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

If you are more afraid of Liberals than Conservatives then you are exactly the kind of person that people like John Ash-ooooo and Joseph McCarthy need on their side. Keep up the good work, man!

By the way, are you a member of the Free Speech Coalition? They are the adult industry free speech lobbying/legal group. You should ask them who is more dangerous to free speech, conservatives or liberals. Remember, these are the people that keep your business legal and fight the court cases that allow you to keep making money. Ask them who is more dangerous to free speech in America. Ask Larry Flynt, Max Hardcore, Phil Harvey, or any number of other people who have fought the fight that allows you to make money selling adult material.

For the person who mentioned the pledge court decision, the constitution doesn't allow the government to promote religion in public schools. That is the constitution, not a judge. If you have a problem with the constitution, that's fine. Also, for your information, the judge who wrote the decision was appointed by conservative republican Richard Nixon.

However, do not, by any means, let facts get in the way of talk radio propaganda.

I agree. But you also do realize that there is much more to this than porn and the adult industry, right?

MikeChangs · 07-03-2002, 02:58 PM

you are right there JC

07-02-2002, 03:21 PM	#1
MikeChangs Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 28	Is 'LOLITA' legal?? We all know we have to be careful what words we use on sites, but does anyone know whether the word 'LOLITA' is actually legal to use when advertising or placing on a site? Comments please

07-02-2002, 03:26 PM	#3
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07-02-2002, 03:50 PM	#9
UnseenWorld Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Portland, OR, USA Posts: 5,279	It's legal. It just might draw some added FBI attention to you if you use it, which is why a lot of sites won't deal with you if you do. Better to stay away from it for that reason alone. "Teen" is enough of a problem for many people, "Lolita" seems to promise actual underage girls in many people's minds. Sure, it's just a name (it means "little Lola"), but as someone once said, "It may be just a word, but words have meanings." __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

07-02-2002, 05:23 PM	#23
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	There was a law that said you can't have content pretending to be underage... Not even a forty year old woman dressed as a child, if you say she is 16. The idea was that the illusion was as bad as actually doing it. This law was recently overturned... Now, the model has to actually be a child for it to be illegal. So having the word Lolita on your site isn't illegal. You can even have a whole site that pretends all the models are 14... as long as they really aren't, and the 2257 statement confirms that. However, as some people have said, using such marketing will get you unwanted attention from VISA and from the authories... The former won't let you take their cards, and the latter will probably double-check all your model releases. __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

07-02-2002, 03:26 PM	#2
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	Lolita is a book, it's a word, it's a name, of course 100% legal. If Bush/Ashooooo have their way certain books and words may someday be illegal, but not quite yet. Whether it's right to use certain words or not is another issue, but it's certainly legal.

07-02-2002, 03:27 PM	#4
Kat - Fast Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The bushes behind your house Posts: 2,303	It's legal enough... doesn't mean that sponsors like it though, I know of a few that will can you for using the word in your metas or displayed on your site...

07-02-2002, 03:29 PM	#5
Ace-Ace Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Dayton, OH, USA Posts: 1,863	I believe using the word itself is legal; however, having pictures of actual "lolitas" is quite illegal (in the US at least).

07-02-2002, 03:31 PM	#6
MikeChangs Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 28	The thing with these words are whether they are right or wrong they are what surfers search for.

07-02-2002, 03:51 PM	#10
Gutterboy So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Dis Posts: 4,751	The plot of Nabokov's book "Lolita" , which popularized the term, has a 12 year old girl seducing a man in his 40's. If you are concerned with the legalities, then the bottom line is that its not illegal to use the term. The problem is that you ever did need to defend yourself in court, you are handing yourself to the prosecutors on a platter by using that term. A convincing argument can be made that the term refers specifically to underage girls. They will use it to paint you as a pedophile, an entertainer of pedophiles, a profiter from pedophillia, anything to predjudice the judge or jury against you and get a conviction.

07-02-2002, 03:52 PM	#11
Lensman GFY Chaperone Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Adult.com Posts: 9,846	According to VISA, it's very illegal. They will not allow any sites that use the term Lolita.

07-02-2002, 03:53 PM	#12
Trolleater Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 1,441	someone did something wrong

07-02-2002, 04:26 PM	#17
RW316 Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,103	wat does lolita mean?

07-02-2002, 04:27 PM	#19
RW316 Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,103	Lo·li·ta Pronunciation Key (l-lt) n. A seductive adolescent girl.

07-02-2002, 05:58 PM	#25
vegasdude Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Royal Family Crew Posts: 3,649	my cents I saw a pornomagasine (very respected) at the tank station the other day use the lolita word........ makes you wonder..... but yes the word is not illegal but the word brings nothing but assiciations to the darksite of porn

07-02-2002, 06:05 PM	#26
MikeChangs Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 28	I aggree it can be used as a word to descrip that bad side of the business but I was told it was illegal to use it, yet my main sponsor hs it in their name!

07-02-2002, 06:20 PM	#28
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07-02-2002, 10:05 PM	#31
SunTzu Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: the box Posts: 456	Man I'm tired of fucking visa and oooooash censoring shit. Nothing wrong with the word lolita, it's the damn russion top lists that used that word for their pedo crap and gave it a bad rap. Even ccbill and epoch have it in their contracts not to use lolita anymore...

07-02-2002, 10:23 PM	#32
mike503 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: oregon. Posts: 2,243	i wouldn't fuck with it. don't use it. it's trouble waiting to happen.. some sensative people will go nuts on you. __________________ php/mysql guru. hosting, coding, all that jazz.

07-03-2002, 12:36 AM	#34
Buba_Smith2 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 76	What's the difference between using the term "lolita" and using the term "school girl". Both are indications of girls under the age of 18, both will get you more traffic because most guys ARE pedophiles, whether they're willing to admit it or not. Think about it, other than a 3some with 2 chicks, the number one fantasy is a school girl. Hell, the legal age of consent (in Canada) is 14. You can use the term, you can flaunt young women, just make sure that if the situation arises, you can show proof of the ages of all of your models. otherwise your asshole will go from "o" to "O". __________________ <a href="http://www.albertaamateurs.ca" target="_new"><img src="http://www.albertaamateurs.ca/logo_black.jpg" border=0 width=70 height=40></a><a href="mailto:[email protected]">e-mail</a><br> <hr color=blue width=85% align=left> <b><i><font color=blue>Reverand Bob</b></i></font>

07-03-2002, 01:12 AM	#35
Mikeee Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 516	It's perfectly legal. You can use any word you like. You can say RAPE, LOLITA, BEAST... etc.. as long as you dont link or host any illegal shit you're ok. It's not smart to use these words as an encouragement to do such crap. THAT is Illegal.

07-03-2002, 08:50 AM	#38
MikeChangs Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 28	ok fairenough, thanks for the input boys

07-03-2002, 09:03 AM	#39
chodadog Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 9,736	I don't think the world lolita is illegal, but i think it attracts a lot of unwanted attention. Like it or not, the word is synonymous with paedophilia. Let's face it, the word is ambiguous at best. The literal meaning doesn't mean anything if the common belief is something different. Due to these reasons (and many more), many sponsors don't like it. And will not permit the use of the word on any site you're using to promote their program. To me, most importantly, the ethics of the situation. Once again, the literal meaning of the word doesn't mean a whole lot. It's generally accepted as a term for underage girls, and that's the way it will be perceived. If you want to steer clear from anything even remotely suspicious, do not use that word on your sites.

07-03-2002, 02:58 PM	#41
MikeChangs Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 28	you are right there JC