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  • MarkMan
    Confirmed User
    • Feb 2005
    • 1370
    #1

    My New experience with PPC Traffic -Overture and Adwords

    well i been experimenting with both adwords and Overture for the last week or so


    thought i would share some of my experience


    straight to the point

    freaking tgp traffic is better, no really at least it costs a lot less


    in the old days i used to buy traffic at 50cent a click for top keywords like "sex" and "sex movies"

    from what used to be called goto.com .. well that converted at 1:38 ..



    today.. adwords got crazy minimum per click of $1,$5 and $10 ..thats not based on competition thats adwords minimum before


    yes $10 a click and you would think that the traffic would be worth it..

    but you would be wrong, conversion @ 1:201 for the $1 a click traffic


    what the hell..

    for overture.. it feels like you are begging for traffic and conversions .. well lets say they are worse then adwords


    what happened to the SE traffic.. especially PPC traffic.. at 1:200 with minimum of $1 a click .. that's $200 per sale ..

    lol

    anyway.. it was a cool experiment.. and yes i tried it with different sites ,
    different sponsor and so on.. and the best so far was the 1:200

    anyone else has same or different experience?
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    • SomeCreep
      :glugglug
      • Mar 2003
      • 26118
      #2
      A lot of bad PPC ratios are probably do to competitors/webmasters clicking ads aka click fraud. Webmasters are dicks like that, always hating.

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        • MarkMan
          Confirmed User
          • Feb 2005
          • 1370
          #3
          can't be that so many webmasters are clicking

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            • Z
              Vidi Vici Veni
              • Nov 2002
              • 6308
              #4
              If somebody out there is making money with PPC stuff, I'd love to hear from you.

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                • GatorB
                  The Demon & 12clicks
                  • Oct 2001
                  • 18208
                  #5
                  Ok first off all not everyone is required to pay those high minimums. Your ad has to be really crappy and not getting a good CTR for Google to require that.

                  "sex" is VERY VERY generic. Why would you even bid on that word? "sex movies" is also kind of generic isn't it?

                  Also exactly how much traffic did you get for the keyword "sex movies". I might have some sites that I could use that word on. Also did you use it in quotes or were you using broad match? I'll test it out with the same amount of traffic and see how it converts. Of course I'm not paying $1 per click though.

                  There are keywords you can get for as little as 1¢ on adwords.

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                    • MarkMan
                      Confirmed User
                      • Feb 2005
                      • 1370
                      #6
                      lol GatorB, i didn't buy the keywords sex and sex movies

                      got specific keywords.. for the sponsors..

                      and the Minimum is the default, its a new account with Adwords so they can't tell shit how good or bad my Ad is.. they didn't give it a try

                      my ad was getting 8%.. to 50% click ratio .. so being bad is bull

                      it was a broad match .. but that was a good thing

                      when i had a few sales.. i decided to target the keywords more.. well for the keywords that were selling.. they asked for $10 minimum per click

                      i was like what the ..

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                        • GatorB
                          The Demon & 12clicks
                          • Oct 2001
                          • 18208
                          #7
                          Originally posted by MarkMan
                          lol GatorB, i didn't buy the keywords sex and sex movies
                          That's what you said. If you didn't which keyword were you using?

                          and the Minimum is the default, its a new account with Adwords so they can't tell shit how good or bad my Ad is.. they didn't give it a try

                          my ad was getting 8%.. to 50% click ratio .. so being bad is bull
                          50% then it not very targeted. That may have hurt you. I could put an add that says "free porn" then send them to a join page that has a $39.99 monthly option ONLY and guess what lots of clicks and no sales.

                          Just like getting listed in the normal search Adword goes for relevance. They do in fact check out the site you are sending your traffic too and compare it to both your ad and the keyowrds you use.



                          when i had a few sales.. i decided to target the keywords more.. well for the keywords that were selling.. they asked for $10 minimum per click

                          i was like what the ..
                          there are ways around that.

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                            • rogerrabbit00
                              Confirmed User
                              • Aug 2006
                              • 315
                              #8
                              I think we are one of the top bids for "sex" on google Adwords-Hornymatches=$$$$$$....... hmmmmmmmmmm
                              Dating Email Traffic for Sale. www.SplitTraffic.com

                              Skype: Rogerwilson00

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                                • MarkMan
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Feb 2005
                                  • 1370
                                  #9
                                  GatorB ,

                                  thanks


                                  i was sending the traffic to the paysite directly .. but i got what i needed to do

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                                    • Screaming
                                      I can change this!!!!!
                                      • Feb 2004
                                      • 18972
                                      #10
                                      dating sites. opt in email sites, stuff like that

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                                        • Beejeebers
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Oct 2004
                                          • 290
                                          #11
                                          I love these threads.

                                          Your min bids are high for a very simple reason.

                                          The answer is out there... muahahahahaha

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                                            • King of Queens
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Aug 2006
                                              • 1288
                                              #12
                                              How much research did you do before you chose your keywords?

                                              You mentioned adding keywords. Did you dump those that were obviously not converting?

                                              Did you apply that ad fat to those that was?

                                              Did you add any more value to convert the warm - hot keywords faster?

                                              How long had your competitors been advertising on those keywords before you plugged them?

                                              What are their members area like? Is it better than yours, worse or equal?

                                              Did you run through descriptions until you can't no more so you can get specific as possible far as keyword picking goes?

                                              Some times less targeted traffic = a lot more conversions.
                                              Emails = $3.50 each | girls gone wild | Big Booty | Big Booty Videos

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                                                • bu((aneer
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Nov 2004
                                                  • 651
                                                  #13
                                                  fraud accounts for 30% of PPC traffic.....

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                                                    • BradM
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Dec 2003
                                                      • 3397
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by SomeCreep
                                                      A lot of bad PPC ratios are probably do to competitors/webmasters clicking ads aka click fraud. Webmasters are dicks like that, always hating.
                                                      Webmaster clicks and click fraud are about 40-50% of traffic. It's been proven with logs.

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                                                        • Sloane
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Feb 2001
                                                          • 815
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by MarkMan
                                                          when i had a few sales.. i decided to target the keywords more.. well for the keywords that were selling.. they asked for $10 minimum per click

                                                          i was like what the ..

                                                          I notice the same thing, a new campaign, and minimum of $10 per click on the keywords, but then you add those same keywords to another campaign, or another adwords account, and its like 0.04c. Can anyone explain this??

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                                                            • VexXxed
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Sep 2006
                                                              • 544
                                                              #16
                                                              Low Quality Score.

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                                                                • MarkMan
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Feb 2005
                                                                  • 1370
                                                                  #17
                                                                  vexXxed, what Low Quality.. its the same page and the same Text Ad for both.

                                                                  google is hmm strange

                                                                  they are not going to last long.. this way.. they score pages after people pay them .. what bull shit.. can you imagine GFY saying to the sponcers to pay more or less based on they feel like advertising more.. they will be out of sponcers in no time

                                                                  and so would adwords. . they can be big , but they still need the advertisers to pay the bills in the end of the day

                                                                  we will see how long they have left


                                                                  btw

                                                                  anyone have seen any new SEs that seem to grow fast?

                                                                  looking for the next big players.. i remember when it was Altavista , then it was all yahoo.. now its google.. well anyone have a feeling about the next one?

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                                                                    • jigg
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Feb 2002
                                                                      • 2527
                                                                      #18
                                                                      my average on Adwords most of the time is about 150-200% ROI

                                                                      that's not to say there are no bad days, like today
                                                                      ......
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                                                                        • CaptainHowdy
                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                          • Dec 2004
                                                                          • 94026
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by SomeCreep
                                                                          A lot of bad PPC ratios are probably do to competitors/webmasters clicking ads aka click fraud. Webmasters are dicks like that, always hating.
                                                                          Very true and spooky...

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                                                                            • GatorB
                                                                              The Demon & 12clicks
                                                                              • Oct 2001
                                                                              • 18208
                                                                              #20
                                                                              [QUOTE=MarkMan;11093925]

                                                                              they are not going to last long.. this way.. they score pages after people pay them .. what bull shit..[/qupte]

                                                                              What you just posted is bullshit. Adwords and the regular search listings have NOTHING to do with each other. Shit if you could pay to be #1 in regular search don't think there would be lots of people that would do that.

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                                                                                • Missie
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Oct 2006
                                                                                  • 372
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by SomeCreep
                                                                                  A lot of bad PPC ratios are probably do to competitors/webmasters clicking ads aka click fraud. Webmasters are dicks like that, always hating.
                                                                                  Every time I see this reasoning it makes me laugh. I was discussing this with Kellie just a couple of days ago actually. Her research on ppcse's is truly amazing, sure is quite an eye opener.

                                                                                  The largest ppc fraud doesn't come from competitors clicking your ads, it's not somebody sitting in front of a computer clicking your listings either. It does happen, don't get me wrong, but it's far from being the bulk of it. If you only knew how many adware/scumware programs infest ppc, it would make your heads spin. That's where the majority of click fraud comes from.

                                                                                  Yahoo has been known for years to be in bed with scums. Nothing new there. 2nd tier ppc are the worst. And Google is not above reproach either.

                                                                                  Sometimes your ad is shown through spyware and you wouldn't even know it. Sometimes people see your ad, and sometimes they don't, but you still get charged for the click whether they do or not. There is so much more to ppc...

                                                                                  All ppcse's have incentives to keep these scums there, it's money directly in their pocket. Advertisers bitch, complain, sometimes even get reimbursed a few cents here and there.

                                                                                  Read up on that, do searches on this stuff, you'll find plenty that will make you truly sick when you think of how much money you spend on ppc. We all consider this the cost of doing business online, and really, it is. But sometimes at what costs?? Choose your ppc very carefully and if you see something not quite right in your stats, then there is probably something not quite right. Contact them, let them know, send them proof. Or just don't use them again.

                                                                                  Missie
                                                                                  Looking for a clean sponsor that won't steal from you?check them out here!

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                                                                                    • GatorB
                                                                                      The Demon & 12clicks
                                                                                      • Oct 2001
                                                                                      • 18208
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by Missie
                                                                                      The largest ppc fraud doesn't come from competitors clicking your ads, it's not somebody sitting in front of a computer clicking your listings either. It does happen, don't get me wrong, but it's far from being the bulk of it. If you only knew how many adware/scumware programs infest ppc, it would make your heads spin. That's where the majority of click fraud comes from.

                                                                                      Yahoo has been known for years to be in bed with scums. Nothing new there. 2nd tier ppc are the worst. And Google is not above reproach either.

                                                                                      Sometimes your ad is shown through spyware and you wouldn't even know it. Sometimes people see your ad, and sometimes they don't, but you still get charged for the click whether they do or not. There is so much more to ppc...

                                                                                      All ppcse's have incentives to keep these scums there, it's money directly in their pocket. Advertisers bitch, complain, sometimes even get reimbursed a few cents here and there.
                                                                                      Actually Google has it where you ad will show on Google only. Or you can specify if you you ad to show on Google's ad partners site. Which I do not allow this since ratios go into the toilet when you do.

                                                                                      I wouldn't put places like TGPs above reproach either.

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                                                                                        • Missie
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Oct 2006
                                                                                          • 372
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by GatorB
                                                                                          Actually Google has it where you ad will show on Google only. Or you can specify if you you ad to show on Google's ad partners site. Which I do not allow this since ratios go into the toilet when you do.

                                                                                          I wouldn't put places like TGPs above reproach either.
                                                                                          Do you have any idea how many smaller ppc show ads from Google and Yahoo? Some time ago, don't remember which portal or ppc it was from, used to display ads with your own title, your own wording but THEIR links. Sometimes they even used natural listings and changed the links. It is really sickening. The more you know about this stuff, the more it makes you wanna throw up.

                                                                                          Missie
                                                                                          Looking for a clean sponsor that won't steal from you?check them out here!

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                                                                                            • Cash
                                                                                              Click on my TCG signature
                                                                                              • Feb 2002
                                                                                              • 20825
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Their traffic has gone to shit, their conversion sucks and the price they ask is ridiculous ... Bad experience with them myself ...
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                                                                                                • martinsc
                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                  • Jun 2005
                                                                                                  • 27043
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  why would anybody bid on a keyword like sex?
                                                                                                  Make Money

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                                                                                                    • GatorB
                                                                                                      The Demon & 12clicks
                                                                                                      • Oct 2001
                                                                                                      • 18208
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by Missie
                                                                                                      Do you have any idea how many smaller ppc show ads from Google and Yahoo? Some time ago, don't remember which portal or ppc it was from, used to display ads with your own title, your own wording but THEIR links. Sometimes they even used natural listings and changed the links. It is really sickening. The more you know about this stuff, the more it makes you wanna throw up.

                                                                                                      Missie

                                                                                                      How would I get charged from google in this case? Once again unless I ALLOW Google to show my ad elsewhere they CAN'T. You have to enable you ads to be shown on either their search partner or content sites.

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                                                                                                        • GonZo
                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                          • Jul 2002
                                                                                                          • 3180
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by MarkMan
                                                                                                          well i been experimenting with both adwords and Overture for the last week or so


                                                                                                          thought i would share some of my experience


                                                                                                          straight to the point

                                                                                                          freaking tgp traffic is better, no really at least it costs a lot less


                                                                                                          in the old days i used to buy traffic at 50cent a click for top keywords like "sex" and "sex movies"

                                                                                                          from what used to be called goto.com .. well that converted at 1:38 ..



                                                                                                          today.. adwords got crazy minimum per click of $1,$5 and $10 ..thats not based on competition thats adwords minimum before


                                                                                                          yes $10 a click and you would think that the traffic would be worth it..

                                                                                                          but you would be wrong, conversion @ 1:201 for the $1 a click traffic


                                                                                                          what the hell..

                                                                                                          for overture.. it feels like you are begging for traffic and conversions .. well lets say they are worse then adwords


                                                                                                          what happened to the SE traffic.. especially PPC traffic.. at 1:200 with minimum of $1 a click .. that's $200 per sale ..

                                                                                                          lol

                                                                                                          anyway.. it was a cool experiment.. and yes i tried it with different sites ,
                                                                                                          different sponsor and so on.. and the best so far was the 1:200

                                                                                                          anyone else has same or different experience?
                                                                                                          This post is funny as shit.
                                                                                                          Assclown Bob Rice wants to BANG your credit card!
                                                                                                          "I am putting the bastards of this world on notice; greed and corruption will always be met with "a voice made of ink and rage."
                                                                                                          All the information above is my personal opinion.

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                                                                                                            • GonZo
                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                              • Jul 2002
                                                                                                              • 3180
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by Z
                                                                                                              If somebody out there is making money with PPC stuff, I'd love to hear from you.
                                                                                                              You cant handle the truth!!!

                                                                                                              Look at your ICQ.
                                                                                                              Assclown Bob Rice wants to BANG your credit card!
                                                                                                              "I am putting the bastards of this world on notice; greed and corruption will always be met with "a voice made of ink and rage."
                                                                                                              All the information above is my personal opinion.

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                                                                                                                • Pleasurepays
                                                                                                                  BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES
                                                                                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                  • 11913
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  here is a rule to remember.... PPC traffic brutally punishes idiots and highly rewards people that are very intelligent and serious.

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                                                                                                                    • Zuss
                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                      • Apr 2004
                                                                                                                      • 1187
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      You suck at adwords.
                                                                                                                      I like cookies.

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                                                                                                                        • Pleasurepays
                                                                                                                          BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES
                                                                                                                          • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                          • 11913
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by MarkMan
                                                                                                                          today.. adwords got crazy minimum per click of $1,$5 and $10 ..thats not based on competition thats adwords minimum before


                                                                                                                          yes $10 a click and you would think that the traffic would be worth it..

                                                                                                                          but you would be wrong, conversion @ 1:201 for the $1 a click traffic


                                                                                                                          what the hell..

                                                                                                                          for overture.. it feels like you are begging for traffic and conversions .. well lets say they are worse then adwords


                                                                                                                          what happened to the SE traffic.. especially PPC traffic.. at 1:200 with minimum of $1 a click .. that's $200 per sale ..

                                                                                                                          lol

                                                                                                                          anyway.. it was a cool experiment.. and yes i tried it with different sites ,
                                                                                                                          different sponsor and so on.. and the best so far was the 1:200

                                                                                                                          anyone else has same or different experience?
                                                                                                                          hahahahaa... i didn't really read this before i posted.

                                                                                                                          jesus, thats funny stuff.

                                                                                                                          omfg

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                                                                                                                            • bdld
                                                                                                                              $100,000
                                                                                                                              • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                              • 11452
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              if you dont know what you're doing, stay the fuck out and play in tgp traffic

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                                                                                                                                • GooSearch
                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                  • Oct 2006
                                                                                                                                  • 2538
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  i do very well on PPC mainly in overtue morethen google.. 90% of my sales from that PPC go to sextoys and not pay sites.. paysites yo'll blow your money too quick
                                                                                                                                  Last edited by GooSearch; 10-18-2006, 10:27 AM.
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                                                                                                                                    • Klen
                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2006
                                                                                                                                      • 32234
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      On google is best to start with lower keywords beacuse high keywords will not bring you conversion.

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                                                                                                                                        • GonZo
                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                          • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                          • 3180
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by KlenTelaris
                                                                                                                                          On google is best to start with lower keywords beacuse high keywords will not bring you conversion.
                                                                                                                                          Ahahahaah are you bidding on letters of the alphabet?
                                                                                                                                          Assclown Bob Rice wants to BANG your credit card!
                                                                                                                                          "I am putting the bastards of this world on notice; greed and corruption will always be met with "a voice made of ink and rage."
                                                                                                                                          All the information above is my personal opinion.

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