I would tend to agree. :1orglaugh

Nice shot.

You should invest in some real books. :2 cents:

what type?

I have to disagree. I've given Venus advice a number of times and she's always been very nice and respectful. I think she's very capable of constructive criticism. The problem is that Mike South's comments were not "constructive". Mike says...."well lets see you overused photoshop smart blur and your lighting is bad...the photo doesn't "pop" as we say in the biz". I don't see Mike's comment as being constructive. A "constructive" comment would have been to tell her what was wrong with her lighting. Give her something that she can use and grow from. Telling someone that they have "bad lighting" is not constructive. Telling them they have bad lighting and then telling them how to improve it - now we are talking constructive criticism :thumbsup

obviously you read what I said about positive comments above



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roidrage... haha

The type that go on the real shelves she should purchase as well.

I read that you said she was..."TOTALLY incapable of constructive critizesm" and I disagreed. :thumbsup

you gave her advice on this board and she was very nice and respectfull?

please show me because i don't believe it

I don't care if you believe it or not. Constructive criticism is called "constructive" for a reason. If your going to critique someones work, tell them whats wrong with it and then tell them how to fix it. In fact, the definition of "constructive" is..."promoting improvement or development". Now read back over Mike South's first statement and show me how what he said would promote improvement or dvelopment in Venus's work.

Mike's comment was not constructive criticism but merely his opinion of the picture. Big difference :thumbsup

heheheh, alot of talk in this thread

OK, so you got lucky with helping her. Probably was not on this board?
I've witnessed many a thread here with people giving her advice and she just goes off on them saying the same thing each time: It works for my members, blah blah blah ....
whatever.....

Well Venus, if the 20D works for your members then keep using it. Sort of like that old saying: If it ain't broke don't fix it.

Perhaps.....

I think that creative people, whether a photographer, a painter, a web designer, a musician or any other creative person would usually appreciate constructive criticism as long as it's delivered in a professional & respectful manner. The problem is that this is GFY and full of idiots who have no idea what they are talking about.

In order for Venus to grow as a shooter, she should only be entertaining constructive criticism from people who are better then she is. Who wants to take advice from someone who is not on their level? Mike South is a decent shooter and I have a lot of respect for what he's done....but I've seen nothing that he's done that Venus can't do. Why would she want to take advice from Mike South? Had Mike been "constructive" with his comments, you might have seen a different attitude by Venus. Nobody likes their work to be attacked on a public board and that's why it's important to make your comments "constructive". This is a little too complicated for most of the surfers here to understand though :Oh crap

great camera... every once in awhile mine does a weird thing... where you can't adjust the shutter speed... but i think it's when the batts are dying.

This is hardly the place for anyone with a fragile ego to post anything. It is full of a bunch of twelve year old's jackin off and ribbing each other, a circle jerk of traffic pushers. ;-)

one funny thread was venus telling markham he sucked, his pics were shit and over exposed and to stop begging for memebrs and affiliates to his site.

pretty funny shit considering paul asked why her pics were underexposed while owning a digital camera.

GFY sure is wacky!

Maybe you should invest in some painted backdrops ya fuckin snob.

In response to them that sez my criticism wasnt constructive...bad lighting is about all I could say...without being the I cant tell her what she did wrong or how to improve it beyound slowing down her shutter speed by a half stop or so.

I did tell her to back off the photoshop...the model looks ridiculously artifical....worse than a real doll.

In the right hands, the 5D is superior. It's more about knowing how to take a good photo than it is about cameras. Personally I like the full frame 5D becasue you get better control of DOF and you get the full use of your wide lenses.

Man then she better never post on some of the photography boards I post on.People post pics ask for critique and comments, some get really harsh, at first my feelings were hurt but then I looked at my work and they were right. So I have worked to improve that. From what I have learned to make a photog really go off tell him it looks like just a snapshot lol

In the right hands and eye, a point and shoot is superior. lol

That is SO true...I could see that pic on one of those boards OMG Venus would have a litter of kittens....

true.

That old photog that used to post here (Unseenworld) took great pics with a point and shoot.

In fact AaronM used to shoot some with a point and shoot back in 02.

every good photo journalist carries a point and shoot even if its a disposeable because you never know when you will need a camera and only have less than 30 seconds to get a shot...life doesn't pose for your camera you capture it 1/60th of a second at a time

i always keep a 35mm throwaway on my boat, they take great pics and obviously i do not want to take any of my good cameras into that enviroment