Buh bye then:upsidedow

i have been owned:disgust

I did make the bank serve me. What you don't understand is that respectable people don't want to be seen "making them serve".
Observers will always have their own opinion of how it went down and some will peg me as the asshole customer. I don't want to have to be an asshole to cash the check, that doesn't help me in the long term of working with the bank. When I want a loan they will then be the asshole.

Besides, if Hodough didn't worry about the stuff on the checks then why did they black out the affiliate ID on every check? Didn't want the bank to see that affiliate "mega_cock" was making money? :1orglaugh



The dumbest part of this thread is that people are acting as though it would destroy Hodough to replace the logo on the check with something more professional looking. Now that's fucking dumb!

Wow, how terrible of them to make me think they are a top notch professional orginization all the way down to the look of the checks and corrospondense.

Some people are in this biz just to make money but evidently some are in this biz because they don't have the professionalism needed to do anything else besides peddel smut.

The worse thing about working in porn for some people is going to be that they develop attitudes and habits that will keep them from ever being sucessful outside of porn. Hey, maybe the conservatives are right, maybe porn does destroy lives.

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If you think the only agreements that are binding are ones written on paper then you need to hire a lawyer. The only area of law that requires a written contract is real-estate. Look it up!

No court in America would allow you to keep money owed to an affiliate without proving they committed fraud on your program directly.
Not even slander could allow you to keep money...the court would order you to pay and advise you that you may sue for damages caused by the slander which you must prove the slanderous statement was false.

You can't prove that your logo does not suck!

And even if you could prove it what would be damages...your feelings got hurt?? Don't think so.


Further, even the membership sign up form on your paysites are binding in that if a surfer pays then you have to provide a service. If you cancel their account because they posted on a board that your content sucked then they could sue you to get access again and or refund all their money.

If the shit was not binding then I would just build tours and sign up forms and take money and send an email with a "thank you for signing up, but I personally don't want you as a member so I cancelled your account and will not refund the money". I'd probably only get 3 years in jail in addition to being sued.

They didn't drop ccbill...I still get 25 bucks PPS

If there was an award for Best Check...you would win...Got my fist one today...Very professional...with all the info, security features and even a number for the bank to call if they need too. Very nice:thumbsup

What pisses me off here is an industry guy ashamed of doing business with his own industry. Fuck you and the horse you rode in on. I told my grandmother what I do, take me or leave me, I do what I do.

You're not willing to do that with your BANK. The COMPANY you give your MONEY TO. What the fuck is wrong with you. You tell them what to do, you employ them. If anyone at the bank ever tried to throw some bullshit like that at me they'd have a normally happy guy get downright nasty. I'm a grown man, and I don't go to their financial institution for morality lessons.

Wrong ........ :Oh crap

Wrong what, try to make your posts understandable.

Woah!

This kiddies, is an example of negative advertising...

Ho_dough Guy #1: "Ummm we have an affiliate that had some grief cashing a check due to the logo being 'unprofessional'. What should we do?

Ho_dough Guy #2: "Fuck that guy that made us money (no matter how much or how little) and fuck his problem. We paid for that logo and we will use it wherever we like."

Ho_dough Guy #1: "Ok I agree. What should we do?"

Ho_dough Guy #2: "I will post a completely dumd ass comment on GFY and we will suspend his account."

Ho_dough Guy #1: "Yeah that'll show him not to fuck with us."

Ho_dough Guy #2: "Damn right!"

Ho_dough Guy #1: "But wait.... Won't that make us look like asshats and drive away potential affiliates?"

Ho_dough Guy #2: "I don't give a fuck, 'cause we all hard and shit!"

Ho_dough Guy #1: "Yeah, we all hard and shit!"

Nice attitude ...

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/664770-whats-check.html


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That's a short sighted argument, that only benefits your own scared ass. If you're only here to take the checks and not benefit the industry as a whole whatsoever, then fuck ya. If you don't want to be associated with it, stop associating with it, is that so hard to understand?

I applaud them for taking a stand for the rest of us on this issue who are proud of what we do. Maybe they'll lose affiliates, I doubt it. I'm gonna send them an e-mail now though, new sponsor +1.

Spoken like a true businessman .... I'm sure everyone here is proud of you.

You're either drunk or a fool. Tell that shit to Paypal and see how long you have an account. The number of banks are shrinking buddy, if you don't do things their way then see you at the Payday loans counter to cash your check.

Also it's not about "WHAT I DO"!!! You can't fucking read!!
It's about the check looking like shit where the guy on the logo looks like a theif standing next to a whore. That's fucking unprofessional.

Here's what the logo looks like on the check. It looks better in color but still don't want it on my check.

http://interracialtoons.com/hodo.jpg

It looks like "Crook And Whore Inc." and Paul tries to compare this to the Playboy bunny.

The whole Playboy analogy is a joke.
Nobody's taking 10 inch black cock up the ass while calling the guy a nigga in Playboy! There's no fucking literary articles in Hodough.


You can be proud of and tell everyone that you shove carrots up your ass, but don't put a picture of it on your fucking checks or some stores are going to ask you to pay by cash or get the fuck out.

Bitching at your bank in defense of a website that competes with 1000's of others in a pool of soon to end slop is stupid.

haha i like that logo :)

Seems like this isnt the first time you've publically complained about this company.. Not good...

I think its time the two of you go seprate ways.. I know most sponsors would have canceled you by now, not sure why anyone would give em shit for doing so here..

Stop crying and move on. Goes for everybody.

With that said, Im sure HoDough wont miss you or the headaches. And you and your bank can continue on without the stupid clerk passing judgement on you since you seem to be concerned about what she thinks.

Go cry to the bitch at the bank and her manager for giving you the customer a hard time for depositing a check.

That is what was unacceptable here... The Bank....

That and the fact you are probably Black.

No. The industry he's doing business with now is his bank. They can tell you to take your checking account elsewhere.

Banks don't make profits off your meager deposits ... they make money in their loan/investment department. Their business division which you do NOT own nor will EVER tell what to do, they will help you with credit-lines, business capital, high limit credit cards, money for commercial property, etc ...

What is short sighted about making favorable impressions with those that will help you in business? Diversification is not having one oral and one ass site. It's investing in property, etc.

News flash about the industry as a whole ... no-one cares or would miss you.

Free advice, don't call someone like me a scared ass, don't tell me to get fucked.

What the fuck does being black have to do with anything in this fucking post?!?!?!?!?

You might have had a point until you thru that bullshit in.

Your wrong about me posting a lot of negative shit.

1. I posted if anyone knew how to contact them. Please see above post of their fail email.
2. The next post did not target Hodough. It was a general post but it just became obvious that it related to them after others posted about checks they didn't like. Go read it.
3. I sent them ICQ about the check and they never responded in over 48 hours. So I posted this shit.

Further; I started the thread by saying it is not "really Hodough's fault" but the clerk was just a bitch.

Further, Paul posted his bullshit so fuck it. I can say whatever I want and you can defend their sloppy assed unprofessional paychek all you want to.
Just notice that no other sponsors got the complaint.
Maybe some people know how to do "real" biz and others just like to play around and do unprofessional shit.

Bitching at me about telling the truth about what happens when I present a sleezy looking check to a bank teller is bullshit. It's what happened and it will continue to happen when I go to a new teller.
I didn't make it up. I blamed the bitch. She's stupid; but so is making a check that sends up red flags just because you are in love with your logo.

And in case you didn't notice some webmasters here agree with me. Some others that agree will not post it with Paul threatening to delete accounts.

The simple threat to delete accounts is enough reason for webasters to avoid working with them and it was a foolish thing to do. My desire to send my traffic elsewhere was only validated by his threats.

His threats are the only reason this post went to 2 full pages instead of just dying and me waking up tomorrow and putting up some links.

Oh no! Take my checking account to a company that doesn't harass and villify me for making an honest dollar? Oh no! What to do!

If all you use your bank for is depositing checks you will never understand.

That's all he does for sure. Noone who thinks like him does any business with major institutions. They'd through him out the back door.

Im also betting that his "board voice" is 10 times louder than in person.
He's one of those guys who talks about all he's going to do in the "revolution" then runs, hides and begs when he's called to task.

He doesn't talk this crap to his bank; just to us.

2 years ago I had a bank close my account because I insisted on them cashing checks against their policy which I thought was stupid. They did it for a while then decided, fuck that, it's our policy...account closed.
So I know what can happen and he's just blowing smoke.

Do I value Hodough more than my bank? :1orglaugh
Do I need to answer that?

Real business owners treat everyone with respect and tend to keep a low profile.

Take care man, Lee

not that it matters since i dont promote hodough anyway, but i really dont like the way they handled this situation...

Face-to-face they probably would have handled it differently. Many can't seperate the GFY attitude from actual business.

Oh it does matter. It's something for you to consider when you look for new sponsors.

I've had disagreements with other sponsors(it's called business) and my links are still up and sign ups are comming in. Smart sponsors don't delete account it's just stupid.

If a sponsor demonstrates they are stupid, then where are you going to go with them. Eventually it will catch up to them and you'll have 1000's of useless webpages with their banner on them.

unprofessional move to suspend his account

Very .......

i dont see anything wrong with the logo, but i dont see why its necessary either. doesnt the check say "hodough payout" on it? i would be more worried about that than some logo that says hush hush. it cashed fine for me though.

Bump for sure.

I'm still amazed by the US check system.....it's a medeavel payment system
that hardly any other developed country is using....:1orglaugh

Sometimes it's hard to teach old dogs new tricks. Then again a "cash" society is a freer society.


(freer?) is that correct?

unfortunately we live in the world, not some dream world where the customer is always right and banks live to serve them. you obviously haven't heard about the numerous accounts banks have closed due to adult companies being involved in them. its all well and grand for you, you do what you do but when you have to deal with banks to cash checks at the same place you want to get a loan for a house, you can't just wave your dick all over the place and hope for the same service someone who works for the local auto plant would get.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I get epassporte tho it's all good

Jesus, this bullshit's still going on?

Logo on the check is NOT porn related, it's just some kind of cartoon.. you dumb FUCK.

So what are you gonna do now? Complain about all the programs that have some kind of marble background on their checks and drop them because it looks like someone fucking jizzed on it?!

It's a fucking CHECK, and if your bank is gonna give you a hard time about a logo printed on it, I think it's time for you to look for another bank, I've NEVER had problems with HoDough checks.

Fuck off, retard!

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I do ATM deposits to save time, but I imagine it helps the discretion factor as well since the checks are 700 miles away before they are processed.

Wrong....I don't like the fact that freakbucks sends a check with a big FREAK INC. on it but since there isn't shit I can do about it, I DEPOSIT it through the ATM or the mail. There is no way I would walk up to a teller with porn checks and trying to "cash" them...That's just asking for it.

Damn all the drama....The guy has a valid point...I'm not ashamed of what I do either...Not at all. But when I cash a check, I want it paid by the bank without hassles...

And of course a logo like this makes them wonder...And comparing it with the playboy logo is funny...Maybe over 40 years when everyone knows your logo you can use it...

Andre

Hey stupid fuck! I never said "Porn realated" was a problem!
Learn how to read, you slack jawed hillbily.

I said the "guy on the check" looks like a fucking crook.
Are you associating porn with crooks, if so then maybe you're the fucking crook.

And, unless you are Walt Disney, putting fucking cartoons on your checks is childish and plain fucking stupid.

It's amazing that of all the checks I've gotten in my life this is the first one that looks so much like shit that I emailed(ICQ) the payer and complained; because I already knew a bank teller would go "WTF is this?"

So I guess Hodough is a genius and all other sponsors are just stupid......NNNNNOTTTTTTTTTT!!!


It's also interesting to note that people who disagree with me shout out with "fuck you" and insults. Maybe that's an indication of how stupid the people are who disagree with such a basic business protocol of "Make your check look trustworthy".

The loudest screamers probably just got a check fo $50 and are angry because they need it so bad and her I am acting like I don't even want to cash it. :1orglaugh

http://interracialtoons.com/hodo.jpg

Look at the guy on the logo!

It looks like he has the Zoro mask over his eyes and laughing at the fool who would dare cash it.


If I were a bank teller I would worry about being stupid enough to cash this check without verifying it. I mean, if it were a bad check with a crook printed on it, just fire yourself if it happened to you.

The entire logo lacks class but the guy looking like a bandit is just gonna send up red flags to a decent teller.

Why do big companies avoid "creative logos"? Because they don't want to come out looking like idiots if they choose the wrong one.

You're just making yourself look like an idiot, by whining about something stupid like a logo on a check.

Retard :2 cents:

Agreed 100%. The OP does have a valid point and the response from the program representative was ridiculous. Comparing hodough to playboy is, at best, laughable. Suspending his account publicly in a post dripping with sarcasm and insincerity shows a lack of business acumen. Thats day 1 stuff right there. Thanks for the display though, will make sure to scratch them off the list of potential sponsors.

That is not the point. If an affiliate chooses to keep his business affairs discrete, that is his prerogative. Perhaps he is not up for a crusade against judgment, he should have that option.

And what kind of idiot do you look like in here whining about me whining? :1orglaugh

You're creative though that you can get electricity in that cardboard box you live in. You low-browed street monkey.

And at the end of the day, you're still a retard.

:)

In my opinion It doesnt matter what the logo on the check is - the woman at the bank wouldnt know that you are an "Adult Webmaster" because of it - for all she knows, you just got a check from someone with a funky and racy logo. I would be more concerned cashing checks with Pooh Bear or Tweety Bird on it. The HoDough crew has no qualms about ordering these checks, dont know why its such an issue for you to cash it!

I sense a petty smear campaign. This issue is very small and not even worth discussing. Doesn't this guy have WORK to do? Hodough is tops in my book. From their previous response to network downtime and raising payouts, to canning this asshat, they haven't missed a beat.

Just out of curiosity, how much was the check for to cause all of this drama?

no! I will not click your sig, now stop bumping this thread kid.

and Fris was the rat I was referring to Paul.

I can't believe I read this whole thing.

You sound like the guy who sits in the smoking section but complains about the guy with the cigar.

But here you are being the idiot to bump the thread.

Smear campaign??? Are you kidding. Saying a logo sucks can't smear anyone. Hodough smeared it's self when it threaten to cancel my account for not worshiping their logo.

I have not said anything bad about the hodough program; Please post a quote of when I did. I only say that their logo on the check is low class.

But over sensitive folks start screaming shit and I post a response.
If what I said is stupid then why are you waisting your time with it.

You just wanted to chime in for some brownie points??
Maybe you can get an extra hosted gallery made or something? :1orglaugh