Here is an idea, everytime zango shit pops up I will bump this thread with the company that is allow it to happen.

Hey Will,

You should check links for the sponsors who posted they were against it to see what happens, if anything, on their sites. Then it's time for me to go pull some links and find replacements.

Sunny Dollars posted a new promotion, I'd be curious to know if they're targeted at all. I do have some of their links on one site.

Missie

i'll check that out too.

Just got the first mainstream zango ad... interesting lol most have been an error to pop that up from a porn site.

http://consumerpromotioncenter.com/?...65 1&s=CD9493

LOL

I clicked on that link and SiteAdvisor said:

"after entering our email address on this site, we received 426 emails per week".

Missie

What's "funny" is that any program that allows this is just shooting themselves in the foot.... i.e. affiliate sends traffic, sales get hijacked... program doesn't care since they get the sales.. affiliate isn't getting sales so he stops sending traffic to the program... program makes less sales since the hijacker isn't actually sending any traffic.

Don't see why this would be hard to "fix"... topbucks locks the cookie for a short period of time to prevent that sort of hijacking.

Why would you say that ? This is for the benifit of everyone. I dont see why you
make such a comment like that considering one of the applacations that people use to grab clips off of p2p has the zango toolbar installed in it. Its hurting the guys who are buying traffic from YOU . Also if you are pushing your own afillate id's you are geting screwed too.

Bump-a-roni :winkwink:

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Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST Hey Will76, I don't want to start a shit slinging toss with you but maybe you should pay more attention to your biz and stop worry about everyone else's. Respectively, DH

Guess we know your stance on scumware.

50 scammers

I don't do any business with Zango, I just don't like people jumping the gun and pointing fingers at the companies listed above. I think it's like guilty by association.

DH

DH, man, you've really let me down on this one. I'm hoping you just didn't take the time out to read what's going on here. Please tell me that's the case...otherwise I can't help but lose the high level of respect I have for you.

I am going to read the thread again, I read it just briefly before (just after dinner and I had a few beers LOL)

I thought Will76 was outing companies that accept zango traffic?

Will read again

DH

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Please let me know if you see anybody targeting Duke Dollars' sites with this scumware. I'll gladly have a look and bring the hammer down. This practice only hurts our company and our honest affiliates. Looking through our backend however, we have absolutely no signs of this practice targeting us.

I guess that depends on their associates now doesn't it?

bump for the night crew

You know MN's stance on this Will76, as does Missy, I've spent quite a bit of time in the past few months chasing and getting these guys shut down.

Good work on starting the most important threads I've seen for some time..

It may well be that some programs are not aware of this stuff, so I would be wary of judging them too quickly. Let them know and Im sure they will act

Exaclty, all they see is an account that is making them a lot of money. Probably a top 10 affiliate for them. I think they just have a hard time banning someone who they *think* is making them a lot of money. When in reality, if they did ban that person their bottom line would be the same or better.... those signups would be redistributed to their other affiliates and they would make more of their own signups. But, they don't understand this and can't bring themselves to banning one of those high producing accounts.

If I am wrong, and I am missing something here, then please those of you who allow spyware signups, please come explain to me how I am wrong. :winkwink:

I think what I am saying here is hard to miss...

Even in the thread title is ask YES or NO ? I am not pointing fingers at anyone. I am asking these companies to give us their officail stand on this. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you were drinking too hard and missed that, but I thought it was pretty black and white what I am asking here.

I am also posting links of affiliate programs who have affiliates using spyware to let them know about it. I don't need to point fingers, their action or lack of action once notified of this, speaks louder then any accusation i could make.

You have a very good understanding of how this works. I think it's because you've seen it with your own eyes. Most people take a long time to grasp this concept but the day they see it in action in front of them, the light almost always comes on.

In mainstream, many of these scums have been rewarded with awards and are claimed to be top affiliates. It makes me (and many others!) sick!

In any affiliate program, top affiliates and those who start producing out of nowhere should always be monitored. A clean affiliate today can be a dirty affiliate tomorrow. With day targeting, they could use spyware sporadically to advertise. Unless you monitor those accounts regularly, they can be hard to catch.

Most affiliates are legitimate and many know how to convert their traffic very well. But a brand new affiliate doesn't.

There are many advertising agencies out there that will place ads for you. Unless you ask them WHERE and HOW your money will be spent, your ad could very well be shown in several adware programs without your knowledge. Then you get caught, and end up with a frozen account and lost commissions. And rightly so. Wasn't entirely your fault, but the sales were not entirely yours either. Since it's nearly impossible to know which sales were legit and which ones were not, you lose it all. It's OUR job to KNOW where our advertising comes from. Some have learned the hard way.

Missie

DH, I just had someone send me this link and now I think you are full of shit.

WOW! I can't believe what I am reading here: https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/595595-fucking-fat-installs.html I hope everyone reads that, DH is post #6.

"fuck the haters" ??

FUCK THE SPYWARE INSTALLERS!!

No conflict of interest here?

Didn't seem to get anything for your sites:)

Now here is another 'new' one concerning webcams.com

I visited webcams.com via a link from Youho.com.
The page loaded up and then a webcams.com join page loaded up OVER the TOP of the window.
YouHo.com didn't get credit, but "&x_reseller=dnathan" did

I wonder if there are some big advertising companies here that sell "_____ traffic" that are filtering spyware traffic into it so they can sell more hits.

:Oh crap I got a webcams.com popunder through zango but could not located the cookie, had a lot on there and it most not have been obvious. The url was to their main page and there was no aff code in the url. Was there suppose to be one ?

I have to assume they are doing their tracking serverside. If you click a join link from -your- affiliate linking page, it doesn't show who the affiliate is until after you fill out and submit the join form.

If you do business with Zango or companies that even work with others that use scum ware, then you are guilty by association. It isn't like these big sponsors don't know about it. These new spam style companies contact the sponsors for better deals and to be sure the accounts get rolled over and not closed.


As I said, no worries.. the hammer is coming down.

That's true to a certain extent. However, the key still remains education of sponsors about spyware.

Most do NOT understand how it works. If spyware didn't steal sales from others, including the sponsor's direct sales from type-ins, ppc, or natural SERPS, they wouldn't be top performers. We all lose, including sponsors.

What sponsors need is a good reality check. When they see that THEY are getting ripped by their "top affiliates", they wake up!

Missie

I guess lots of companies are greedy and not doing what is best for the long term of this industry. Keep bumping this thread till you get responses.

wow 24 hours and still no reply from the companies who were named in the title.

I guess they just haven't seen this yet :winkwink: :1orglaugh

wow jesus christ this is just crazy :Oh crap

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/7056/untitledkj7.jpg

:Oh crap I think some companies have some explaining to do.

If you want to stop your name from being bid on, on zango I am sure you can if you try.

This is really really sad. This needs to fucking stop now.

Spyware is a horrible thing and it does in fact affect our industry.

I won't name names, but I deal with a lot of companies and I once helped a company that was having issues with spyware. It turned out that Kazaa Lite was installing spyware and would change the affiliate link code.

If anyone finds any problems with ICS properties, please feel free to let me know.

Will76 - I'll just re-iterate it here for good measure - Topbucks doesn't accept it - won't allow it and it's against our TOS.

If you or anyone else for that matter find ANYTHING FUNKY - I'm online all the time - you can contact me.

noted, thanks for posting, and not allowing spyware sales. If i see any of your sites I will make sure to let you know.

cams.com webcams.com iwantu.com hey all you guys post here, and a lot.

Is it ok with you that your name is being bid on, on some spyware site which is causing you and your affiliated to be fucked out of a lot of money.

if you are an affiliate of these companies you need to email them and voice your concern. it is costing you money.

bump bump bump

I guess everyone here is ok with this? :upsidedow

Makes me laugh when I see big promotions by these companies. I wonder how much spyscums will make at the expense of the honest affiliates.

Hummmm.... I'd be curious to know how many of those ads are run by the sponsors themselves directly stealing from their own affiliate base.

Missie