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Daruma 10-02-2006 10:51 AM

if the gov told you that you could not buy porn with your $ would you care?
if the gov told you that you could not buy a beer with your $ would you care?
if the gov told you that you could not travel to some place with your $ would you care?

seems that a lot of you dont see the difference - some of you do...
wait till this situation now starts affecting your business - it will someday - maybe sooner than you think

directfiesta 10-02-2006 10:51 AM

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On July 11 2006 the Internet Gambling Prohibition and Enforcement Act, H.R. 4411 was approved by the House of Representatives today by 317 to 93 votes. To pass into law it will now need to be approved by the Senate and the President. The bill will make it illegal to use credit cards and fund transfers from banks to settle internet wagers and, it will update the Wire Act to specifically prohibit online gambling, allowing the authorities to work with Internet service providers to block access to online gambling web sites.

http://www.bettingmarket.com/dojwar50021.htm
on the other hand:

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Nevada was the first state to legalize casino gambling. I guess its only fitting that they become the first state to legalize online gambling as well.

On Monday June 4, 2001 the Nevada legislature passed a bill establishing a legal structure for companies that want to provide Internet gambling. Under the provisions of the bill a company would be required to put down a $500,000 licensing fee and a yearly $250,000 renewal fee in order to offer legal Internet gambling services.

http://casinogambling.about.com/libr...y/aa061101.htm
So, do I understand right that if those " foreign * trash * " sites elect to work under the Nevada law, then everything is okee-dokee ...???

1215 10-02-2006 10:54 AM

why doesnt bush just open a huge poker site and take over the net?

or, he could at least let people gamble, but make sure people report earnings in their taxes, so the country still benefits.

usa has a debt, why not permit gambling and place a low tax on it so 1)people still have their freedom to lose money, and 2)we use the funding for something useful rather than not making it at all.

bl4h 10-02-2006 10:58 AM

Ah now that the laws are being passed you decide to speak up. SHould have been out there campaigning against it

BlackCrayon 10-02-2006 11:00 AM

i wouldn't say its freedom of speech but it does take away from our personal freedoms. its not a law created to protect the people though. its a law created to get rid of an industry that has a lot of american money sent to non tax paying non american busineses.

After Shock Media 10-02-2006 11:05 AM

Regardless though, we should never try to police morals. To some gambling is a sin and immoral. Why they think these laws ever turn out good is beyond me.

After Shock Media 10-02-2006 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon
i wouldn't say its freedom of speech but it does take away from our personal freedoms. its not a law created to protect the people though. its a law created to get rid of an industry that has a lot of american money sent to non tax paying non american busineses.

Sure it is a law to protect the people. Everyone loves laws that protect people from themselves. Just now some are bitching of course because well this self protection law affects them this time.

bl4h 10-02-2006 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media
Regardless though, we should never try to police morals. To some gambling is a sin and immoral. Why they think these laws ever turn out good is beyond me.

Thank god your opinion will never mean anything

Lazonby 10-02-2006 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Fris
no such thing as freedom of speech anymore.

Shhhh. You're not allowed to say that.

After Shock Media 10-02-2006 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by bl4h
Thank god your opinion will never mean anything

And what the fuck climbed up your ass?

If you desire to explain why what I said is wrong then do so.

kane 10-02-2006 11:24 AM

This law has nothing to do with freedom of speech. I did, however, read an article where they stated why it was wrong and why the president shouldn't sign it. He will sign it though, but many of the ideals in the article will probably be used in the coming court cases. I can't imagine these big poker companies that are making truckloads of money just sitting by and letting this happen without a fight.

The main thing the article mentioned is that it is a privacy issue. The constitution pretty much tells you that you are free to do as you want in the privacy of your own home. There have even been recent court cases that backed this up. For example, in Texas gay sex is illegal, but there was a guy that was arrested for having gay sex in his house and he fought it and won because the Supreme Court said that the state can't legislate what he does in the privacy of his own home.

If this is the case then they also cannot legislate what I watch, read or listen to and if I want to sit in my house and gamble away my money playing online poker, it it up to me.

The law is also flawed in that it still allows online betting on horses, transactions between Indian casinos and online betting/gambling as long as it is within your own state. So it doesn't outlaw all online gambling, just some.

Theo Anthony 10-02-2006 11:26 AM

We need to chill a bit!

We are webmasters with a common interest, avoiding the same shit happening to us that has happened to online gaming.

There is no need to turn this thread bad and start name calling etc..

Lets just talk like civilised pornographers lolol!

bl4h 10-02-2006 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media
And what the fuck climbed up your ass?

If you desire to explain why what I said is wrong then do so.

Im hardcore atheist, but also hardcore traditionalist.

The united states is successful for a reason, and its no thanks to GAMBLING, WHORES, or anything else thats considered immoral. You want to live like a shithead? move to the slums of america, where such things are rampant. Move to one of the many shit and sad countries dont regulate such things.

Dont try and bring this country down to your level just because you cant earn yourself an honest dollar or a real woman.

Anyway, This law isnt even about morals, its about taxes and money

jayeff 10-02-2006 11:36 AM

It is easy to dismiss this, saying it is not a freedom of speech issue. But it is interesting how few people apparently are in the least bit concerned that once again the government in the Land of the Free is denying another personal freedom.

Then again, I suppose that lack of concern is what makes such laws possible...

MarkMan 10-02-2006 11:44 AM

well.. this law does nothing but move the direction that online casinos will take..

if its affordable for them ..they will pay the Nevada tax, if its not.. they will move to the underground.. where people will be able to buy E-currencies and gamble with them.. to buying Cash cards from your local punk on the street(like drugs.. and other freaky shit)..

god bless capitalism .. god bless america

Daruma 10-02-2006 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jayeff
It is easy to dismiss this, saying it is not a freedom of speech issue. But it is interesting how few people apparently are in the least bit concerned that once again the government in the Land of the Free is denying another personal freedom.

Then again, I suppose that lack of concern is what makes such laws possible...

very well said
I dont think anyone here recognizes that its another step towards their own business models - the amount of short sided thinking amazes me

pocketkangaroo 10-02-2006 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bl4h
Im hardcore atheist, but also hardcore traditionalist.

The united states is successful for a reason, and its no thanks to GAMBLING, WHORES, or anything else thats considered immoral. You want to live like a shithead? move to the slums of america, where such things are rampant. Move to one of the many shit and sad countries dont regulate such things.

Dont try and bring this country down to your level just because you cant earn yourself an honest dollar or a real woman.

Anyway, This law isnt even about morals, its about taxes and money

You are so correct, my neighborhood went to shit once my neighbors downloaded Party Poker on their PC. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

ed146 10-02-2006 12:37 PM

For those of you like to read the article on the ban,

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061002/...partygaming_dc

LONDON (Reuters) - Online gambling firms faced their biggest-ever crisis on Monday after U.S. Congress passed legislation to end Internet gaming there, threatening jobs and wiping 3.5 billion pounds ($6.5 billion) off company values.

The House of Representatives and Senate unexpectedly approved a bill early on Saturday that would make it illegal for banks and credit-card companies to make payments to online gambling sites

mardigras 10-02-2006 12:58 PM

I think the real issue is how they slipped it in last minute into an unrelated bill that would be political suicide for anyone to vote against.

They are also going to try the same to eliminate net neutrality. Just wait until your competitor can pay ISPs to make your site inaccessible while promoting their own.:Oh crap

madawgz 10-02-2006 01:02 PM

this is one fucked up new rule :(

Daruma 10-02-2006 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ed146
The House of Representatives and Senate unexpectedly approved a bill early on Saturday that would make it illegal for banks and credit-card companies to make payments to online gambling sites

If you don't think that there could eventually be the same situation with adult just look at how they did this.

Added it to the middle of a bill that everyone would support after midnight on a Friday. The way that the US gov did this is very shitty and I'm frankly surprised that you guys here are not more alarmed.

VoteForPedro 10-02-2006 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Theo Anthony
Bush cannot stop all gambling in the U.S as he gets a hefty tax from allot of the casinos and lotteries etc....so doing so would hurt his country!

Since when has Bush worried about hurting his country?

MaddCaz 10-02-2006 09:52 PM

git r DONE


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