have a link?

My quote was from a Washington Post article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...092801763.html

My part of the post was just conjecture, which I'll gladly admit.
*shrug*

Don't they have innocence presumption in US?

Again, Europe is not a country...You can't compare all countries within Europe as one nation...And run by the middle east. Lol you are to funny....Ever watched another channel/paper than Bush brainwashing times?

americans are morons!!!
the proof: they have elected Bush to be their president, they have elected Arnold to be the Governor of California.....let me stop here....

Thanks good to see some ppl on GFY with brains

It only matter how important is to suck the information from the suspect . and it might sound harsh , but imagine this situation : a terror group threats amsterdam with nuclear attack unless they all convert to some other religion , and you have a suspect that might tell you the location of the bomb. Would you then turture him in order to save the lives of your million fellow residents in the netherlands or not ?
I gave such extreme example not because i think it may happen one day , but to demostrate you that sometime in life you dont really have a simple choice , and sometimes you have to negociate your own values in order to survive .

In U.S matter i think it's not justified to treat suspects this way while waving the 'war on terror' flag , unless the situation might save many other lives , so then again - there is no simple answer for that .

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/25/wo...as/25arar.html

Come'on. That's just fucked up. Dude was flying home to Canada, nabbed in the US and flown to Syria without any due process.
Fucked up.

From today's paper ....
same pattern as with Germany ...

You hate somebody? You owe them money ? Rat them out as a terrorist and pass go ... Colect 5000$US....

http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100n...name_page.html

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I must admit .. this made me laugh .... :)

Don't insult Arnold ... by comparing to Bush ....:2 cents:

Please stop using the word "Freedom" to defend the current administration's actions.

It's nothing but branding, no more substantive than "Coke adds life" or "I'm Lovin' It" or doubting that W. doesn't know how to pronounce, "Nuclear."

Whether you view this bill, and many of this admin's actions since 9/11, as prudent or troubling--and we can all watch our polarized citizens debate this point until November ad nauseum--they're not about freedom, they're about national security. And if you want the most secure society possible, you must be willing to sacrifice freedoms and liberties.

Bottom Line: Some of us think these sacrifices are warranted; Some of us do not.

There is worse conditions in civilian prisons both domestic and foreign.

The only reason why people are crying about this so called 'torture' is because it's receiving so much attention

we need more peace

Illegal combatants aren't uniformed enemy soliders or civilians.

For example spies can be executed on the battlefield without breaking Geneva convention.

Holy shit, someone just tried to kill me - and now I get to turn up the AC and rattle the bars to disturb his rest? SOMEBODY CALL PETA!

Just for clarification - I've had it worse when I was paying for the right of such things - they're called roommates..

<<< This moron is a proud ex-pat.

username:porn
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I won't call you a complete moron just because youre in south america where the main economic product is cocaine. I'll just call you a moron for the ignorant statement you made..
On another note, it's amazing how this country allows some of you dickweeds to live in it. Why don't you be thankful that they allow you to lead pathetic low class lives in the porn industry.

Says yet another lowlife with no common sense.

You guys don't realise, but the US has put away their democracy for a long while now.

Counting the days until you guys loose freedom of speech.

:2 cents:

Again, I'd rather live in the greatest country on earth rather than a poor continent surviving on cocaine.

I wish I could "torture" some of you

Uhhh, I have to stop ya there.
Because we know they would never do that.

.

torture is cool

a UK news article where your only proof is the spouting off of some amnesty international clown?

um, ok.

Ahh I guess you are right. Bush is a very good and smart president...And so is Mister I'll be back....

And they might make a lot of cocaine...But you know what country they export to?

Actually it takes us back to the year 1214 :(

this thread is funny

:1orglaugh

I giggled alot.

Then I called my lawyer cause our babysitter was playing Red hot chilli peppers a bit too loud, and had turned the AC on without asking me. This is fuckin torture... :Oh crap :Oh crap

No point in posting other links, even tough this story has been front news in many UAS papers...

How about telling me which sources are acceptable to you and your kind... Let's say a small list of 5 ...

You are so funny

Oh, and for all you Eurocommunist idiots, I thought I'd let you know that it is official, Europe (and yes I am talking about Europe as a whole as the EU has laws supporting this) is now officially as bad as North Korea with regards to free speech.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...357865,00.html


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3995341.stm


http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/stor...86&p=y9438439z

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/..._Far_Right.php

I can go on all day. At least in the USA all of these cases would of been protected under their constitution. Certainly the USA isn't perfect, and certainly its current leaders aren't great, but Europe has alot to answer for too. Your continent is also ruled by a bunch of elitists who really don't give a flying fuck about what the people want, or free speech. Who really wants Turkey in the EU? Yet I guarantee they get there.

This thread is so stupid its not even funny anymore.

Oh just 1 thing, the US the best country in the world? Bwahahahahaa..its not bad but the best? bwahahaha

don't be daft everyone knows you need to torture and spy on people to get to the truth to protect people from the terrorists and give them the freedom of democracy!

It's especially important to torture and spy on the people whose freedom you're trying to protect, in case they try to exercise their freedom.

Not exactly! its to protect their right to exercise their freedom from the terrorists

Listen up all you euro trashes! George Bush could press a button in a suitcase out on the golf course and fly a nuclear holocaust right up your butthole if he wanted to! so watch it with this anti-us talk!

What this issue illustrates best is how superficial are most peoples' principles and beliefs and - as Joseph Goebels pointed out at Nuremberg - how easily led people are.

Of course when you are under threat it is easy to rationalize doing whatever it takes to get information which may lessen or remove that threat. But this is the exact same rationalization which we have rejected in the past when used by others. Nor need this be just about gathering information: a case could be made (again as in the past many have made it) that ill-treating prisoners - perhaps not taking prisoners at all - acts as a deterrent. You could extend both principles to non-war situations.

I care a great deal less about the nature of someone's principles, than that they actually have principles and are willing to stand by them in any circumstances. There are few things less edifying than realizing so many people have such little self-respect that reality proves over and over that in fact they have no principles of their own at all: that their thought processes, on everything from which TV programs to watch through to whether or not it is okay to torture prisoners, are so easily manipulated.

I'm really courious if Bush will manage the fuckup the US economy completely before he manage to start a new world war, or if it first will fuckup after the war have started.
If the US people is lucky Bush will resign or get resigned before that happends :thumbsup
The damages he have done already will already take decades to rebuild :2 cents:

mmm drama..

Yeah he COULD do that...So what? Damn I am scared now...lol

If we is lucky you will STFU!

But why are you supporting Bush's version of it over McCains'. I just don't get that. McCain was backed by a bunch of individuals with storied military history. McCain was a POW himself. Do you not think their opinion on the issue is a tad more relevant than that of some people who never served?

You guys have to admit that the 9/11 attack looks like another hollywood movie for the europians . As long as the shit dont approach your door , you never really treat it as real event .

idiot.

987654321

Guess you are out of luck then :1orglaugh

Ummm... no.
It seems like the US is considering it as a hollywood movie, not europeans.
The good (USA) always wins the bad guys in the end (Terrorists). You just need to hire Jack Bauer to do this in 24 hours.

I'm half-serious too.

what a clueless statement.