Why Teh BoyAlley Didn't Get Involved In The NoCarrier "Samuel" Auction - GoFuckYourself.com

BoyAlley · 09-26-2006, 09:30 AM

Well I'm a little surprised by the fact that I've been criticized for not getting involved in the auction for NoCarrier's son, especially considering I've raised almost $20,000 in the last two months for industry causes by being the first to hold a sig auction for charity.

So, I guess I should explain WHY I chose not to get involved.

Let me first start off by saying I wish NoCarrier and his family the best of luck in the world, and hope with all my heart that his son is soon healthy and happy again.

As someone that makes large donations to over a half dozen causes a year, and who has worked for years to raise money for dozens of other organizations, I've seen things like this a lot.

While the heart of this community is good, I think people rushed into starting this auction and giving these large donations without thinking things through. When people see a child in need, they jump to help, leaving practicality behind. That's why those that organize fundraisers for things like this have to be so careful.

The truth is, being a concerned parent, NoCarrier came on here asking for donations before really even knowing what his needs were. Again, I'm not faulting him for doing that, it's a natural reaction.

In less than 24 hours, things have gone from "we need $150,000 at least to pay for treatment" to "he can get treated here in Canada for free, but this money will help with household bills". His son's diagnosis has gone from a "glioma type tumor", to not being sure what it is at this point. (this thread)

Again, I am in NO WAY faulting NoCarrier. But this is often how situations like this play out. It's also why most people of means make donations to non profit charities, instead of directly to individuals. Charity organizations know what families go through, and are a clear headed third-party to make sure that donor money goes to where it's needed, and to what the donors originally intended it to go for.

NoCarrier is a father whose son is in trouble, and he reached out to get him help like any father would.

Personally, I don't think NoCarrier needs financial donations at this point. It appears that all he'll be out of pocket financially is some lost income from his wife not working for a while to take care of their son. Certainly things like the $25,000 loan he got from the bank can take care of that, and I think it's an appropriate way to handle such short-term financial difficulties.

I think what NoCarrier DOES need is a third-party with a clear head that can think rationally for the family, and help them interface with those organizations that exist to help families like his at times like this.

I really hope that this thread doesn't make me look like a cold-hearted asshole. When it comes to charity, it's a matter of need. Where is money needed most, and for what purpose. NoCarrier's son will be getting free treatment, and through a loan, they have the means to deal with short-term financial difficulties arising from 1 parent not working for a period of time.

How many people on here have gone through that same situation, where 1 parent was out of work? The need for many many many people is so much greater than that, including people that work in our industry.

When we as an industry seek to raise large sums of money, I think we have to do so with a calm, clear head, and a good vision of what the funds we raise will be used for.

Again, I wish only the best for your son NoCarrier, and only the best for the rest of your family as well.

=^..^= · 09-26-2006, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BoyAlley

I think what NoCarrier DOES need is a third-party with a clear head that can think rationally for the family, and help them interface with those organizations that exist to help families like his at times like this.

i totally agree on that one!
i dont know how any person could think clear headed at a time like that.. my girl gets a bump at the playground and im all panic.. i cant imagine how crazy they must be right now!
3rd party is a great idea and can probably point them in direction of groups set up to help in these situations.
i think they are fortunate to have a banker in the family to help, theres a lot of very ill kids whos parent[s] have nada.

i'd also like to mention they should look at eastern alternatives, theres some amazing treatments coming out of china and india that dont cost big $, that dont have the nasy effects of eastern treatments. a neighbour of mine had successul braintumor therapy in india when she was given ony 6 weeks to live.

anyhow,i hope he recovers well and fast.

jimthefiend · 09-26-2006, 09:47 AM

I'm so sick of those threads.

My ex wife and mother of my child is fucking ILL to the point I had to rent out the home I own and move a couple hours north to help out with the kid.

It's been NOTHING but hardship and stress for me for MONTHS. Right before all this started I got owned for 21k on a business deal. I don't know and don't even wanna think about what my life would be like if I hadn't started to work for EPIC.

You don't see me BEGGING on GFY.

People need to take responsibilty for their own lives and stop running to a fucking porn webmasters board whenever shit hits the fan.

I have NOTHING against NoCarrier, I like him. I wish the best for his child.

I'm just saying...

scottybuzz · 09-26-2006, 09:50 AM

hmm i expected a real bad thread, but you put well thought reasoning behind it boy alley, good points you make.

split_joel · 09-26-2006, 09:54 AM

Thought I see your point, I think jimthefriend is way out of line, if my son or my fiance was sick and I couldnt afford it or was even worried about money I would beg to every fucking person, I would do anything to keep the ones i love alive, its called love, and sometimes you got to do things your not so proud of.

WarChild · 09-26-2006, 09:55 AM

Fair enough.

Ecchi22 · 09-26-2006, 09:55 AM

You are totally right.

pradaboy · 09-26-2006, 09:57 AM

I guess you have a point

fallenmuffin · 09-26-2006, 09:57 AM

I completely agree.. I just didn't want to say anything lol.

First there was no cure he needed donations, then its treatable and not what they thought it was...I do wish the best for his child but I agree 100% with everything you said.

BradM · 09-26-2006, 09:57 AM

These are good points.

HOWEVER the money I put out isn't going to break my bank, but it may help save theirs. IF they do need the medical support that can costs hundreds of thousands.

The positive karma is worth it.

jimthefiend · 09-26-2006, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by split_joel

Thought I see your point, I think jimthefriend is way out of line, if my son or my fiance was sick and I couldnt afford it or was even worried about money I would beg to every fucking person, I would do anything to keep the ones i love alive, its called love, and sometimes you got to do things your not so proud of.

I don't give a fuck what you think, to be honest.

flashfreak · 09-26-2006, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BradM

These are good points.

HOWEVER the money I put out isn't going to break my bank, but it may help save theirs. IF they do need the medical support that can costs hundreds of thousands.

The positive karma is worth it.

nice words !

HAPPYPEEKERS · 09-26-2006, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BradM

These are good points.

HOWEVER the money I put out isn't going to break my bank, but it may help save theirs. IF they do need the medical support that can costs hundreds of thousands.

The positive karma is worth it.

I agree

BoyAlley · 09-26-2006, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by BradM

These are good points.

HOWEVER the money I put out isn't going to break my bank, but it may help save theirs..

The problem isn't with small individual donations in my opinion. It's with the giant charity auction (top bid so far as time of this post is $10,000). I knew when I saw this auction that it was going to get crazy, and it's EXACTLY why I didn't agree to start one yesterday.

It's raised $10,000 so far for a family that isn't even going to have any medical expenses? And the auction still has 4 days to go?

I think emotion has got the best of people, and again I'm sorry, but I really don't see a charity cause here at all.

Huggles · 09-26-2006, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by BoyAlley

The problem isn't with small individual donations in my opinion. It's with the giant charity auction (top bid so far as time of this post is $10,000). I knew when I saw this auction that it was going to get crazy, and it's EXACTLY why I didn't agree to start one yesterday.

It's raised $10,000 so far for a family that isn't even going to have any medical expenses? And the auction still has 4 days to go?

I think emotion has got the best of people, and again I'm sorry, but I really don't see a charity cause here at all.

Save Darfur?

Oh wait, they're poor and black, nobody cares

notabook · 09-26-2006, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Huggles

Save Darfur?

Oh wait, they're poor and black, nobody cares

NoWhErE · 09-26-2006, 10:30 AM

I gotta take Boy Alley's side here.

First of all, I know it wouldn't be below GFY to start up a fake "I need money" thread cause it has happened before. I'm not saying that NoCarrier is scamming us, I'm saying that I'm weary of such stories from the get go.

Second of all, being Canadian, I was dumbfounded by the fact that the Canadian Govt "couldn't do anything". In my experience, they will do anything they can to help you, granted they might put you on a long ass waiting list, but they WILL help you no matter what. I don't blame NoCarrier in any way, god I hope his child pulls through. But I also know what great waves of emotion can do to our sense of reason and the devastating effect it can have when its over and you realize that you got people to give you so much money when, in fact, you didn't really need it.

Anyhow, all I wanted to say is that I agree with BoyAlley. I held back on giving money to see how the story might develop and in fact, it did develop the way I thought it would.

I wish Sammuel the best of luck and a long healthy life.

Huggles · 09-26-2006, 10:32 AM

I have decided to piss all over my keyboard this morning.

Zalez · 09-26-2006, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Huggles

I have decided to piss all over my keyboard this morning.

i've heard much stranger things.....

pornpf69 · 09-26-2006, 10:49 AM

it was really nice to read this thread...lots of different positions....

MissMina · 09-26-2006, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BradM

These are good points.

HOWEVER the money I put out isn't going to break my bank, but it may help save theirs. IF they do need the medical support that can costs hundreds of thousands.

The positive karma is worth it.

Agreed

RobbieRye · 09-26-2006, 10:53 AM

I don't know if I agree or not....

But well wrote none the less BoyAlley. Clear explanation of your stance.

Ebola · 09-26-2006, 10:54 AM

I find it disturbing to have the kid's face all over GFY now. In some threads it makes for a very weird juxtaposition.

CaptainHowdy · 09-26-2006, 10:54 AM

It's a point of view...

BV · 09-26-2006, 10:55 AM

It matters dick all what any of us think!

Are you the ones giving? If No? Then worry about something else.

People that donate money do it because it makes them feel good. If they want to donate directly to a family, then so be it, it's their free choice.

Spankys Teens · 09-26-2006, 10:58 AM

I agree with boy alley on most points,
You really seem like someone with experience.
Maybe you should contact NoCarrier directly.....
Money won't solve all problems but mate, it sure helps.

selena · 09-26-2006, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BradM

These are good points.

HOWEVER the money I put out isn't going to break my bank, but it may help save theirs. IF they do need the medical support that can costs hundreds of thousands.

The positive karma is worth it.

I like how you think.

BV · 09-26-2006, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradM

These are good points.

HOWEVER the money I put out isn't going to break my bank, but it may help save theirs. IF they do need the medical support that can costs hundreds of thousands.

The positive karma is worth it.

EXACTLY.....

Dveron · 09-26-2006, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Ebola

I find it disturbing to have the kid's face all over GFY now. In some threads it makes for a very weird juxtaposition.

I agree with that. Seeing this kids face next to some chick sucking cock is weird.

Furious_Female · 09-26-2006, 11:03 AM

You're a very rational and intelligent person, BoyAlley.

scardog · 09-26-2006, 11:26 AM

If we can support our own in a time like this, then who cares if he gets an extra bag of cash? If your kid gets a brain tumor, and you get free medical care, I will still send you some money to ease your pain if you think it will.

I would like for him think about getting his kid well, and not earning money for the next few months. But your reasons are fine for not giving, or raising money for him, and that is your right. I for one respect your choice, and hope others will respect mine.

SxDx · 09-26-2006, 11:30 AM

Hard to pick a side here...

BoyAlley · 09-26-2006, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SxDx

Hard to pick a side here...

I didn't mean this to be about picking sides. I was getting a ton of shit on ICQ from several people, and a few people posted in threads giving me hell, for not getting involved in this "charity" event.

I wanted to make my position clear, and let everyone know my reasoning for not doing so.

Everyone's certainly entitled to give their money away to whomever they want, for whatever reason they want, or for no reason at all. It is, afterall, their money.

When it comes to charity, I just believe it should be about money going to where it's actually needed.

I also believe that organizing a "Charity Fundraiser" is a serious task, and think that people should really investigate a cause closely, before creating hype to generate funds for it.

rigrunner · 09-26-2006, 12:06 PM

I doubt the guy would run off with the cash if his kid does get free treatment, I think the shock alone would encourage him (i hope) to send any extra generated money which he didn't need off to a charity to help out other parents facing similar situations.

It's nice to see that the adult industry can pull together for a good cause. However, I'm shocked that people have been critical of BoyAlley - that guy contributes loads to charity... If i made that much off my sig, i'd be blowing it all on booze ;)

squishypimp · 09-26-2006, 12:08 PM

very good points boyalley, but i also agree that small donations are what is best.

Perhaps BoyAlley, if you got involved your donation could go directly to one of the following organizations:

http://www.cbtf.org/
http://www.childrenscancercenter.org/
http://www.wish.org/

I have personally dealt with the Make-A-Wish Foundation and have found that the organization is one of the most well run and beneficial children's hope organizations out there.

thats just something to think about.

NoCarrier · 09-26-2006, 12:19 PM

BoyAlley,

I understand your point and completely agree. We received news so fast that I didn't know where to start. I should've waited before sending a help signal. The money I've received to far will be used for the next couple of months. There will only be one revenue in this house and it's from me. Unfortunately, I am not a millionaire. But if you guys decide to send the "sig" money to a charity foundation instead, I will also understand. And about the "loan". If I decide to take it, I would have to reimburse it over the years.

I really didn't want to play with everyone's feelings. Mine are quite on the edge right now.

BoyAlley · 09-26-2006, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by squishypimp

very good points boyalley, but i also agree that small donations are what is best.

Perhaps BoyAlley, if you got involved your donation could go directly to one of the following organizations:

http://www.cbtf.org/
http://www.childrenscancercenter.org/
http://www.wish.org/

I have personally dealt with the Make-A-Wish Foundation and have found that the organization is one of the most well run and beneficial children's hope organizations out there.

thats just something to think about.

I understand that there are PLENTY of very worthy charities out there. Each of us can't make all of them our cause.

Monies I raise in this industry I raise for industry related causes, because that's what seems to make the most sense to me.

My own money that I donate each year goes to other charities that I support for my own personal reasons.

jimthefiend · 09-26-2006, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by NoCarrier

I should've waited before sending a help signal. The money I've received to far will be used for the next couple of months.

No offense man but that is a FUCKING CROCK OF SHIT.

You should return every cent of it.

BoyAlley · 09-26-2006, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by NoCarrier

BoyAlley,

I understand your point and completely agree. We received news so fast that I didn't know where to start. I should've waited before sending a help signal. The money I've received to far will be used for the next couple of months. There will only be one revenue in this house and it's from me. Unfortunately, I am not a millionaire. But if you guys decide to send the "sig" money to a charity foundation instead, I will also understand. And about the "loan". If I decide to take it, I would have to reimburse it over the years.

I really didn't want to play with everyone's feelings. Mine are quite on the edge right now.

I certainly know you weren't trying to "use" anyone, or play on their emotions. You're a father that just learned his son is in trouble, and you did what any good father would do, immediately took action to look out for him, and to protect him. That's to be commended, and you certainly owe no one an apology.

It's hard for people to think about the reality of money and donation when they're also faced with strong emotion that's raised by seeing things such as your son's picture, and learning that he's sick, and needs help. We all want to react like you did, and rush to help him.

But when it comes to situations like this, I think that's a perfect example of why third-party organizations are the best source of help, and the best way for people to contribute in most circumstances. They can get you, and everyone else who has a sick child, what they actually NEED, and see that money gets put to best use.

As I said before, I wish you, your son, and your family all the best, and hope for a speedy recovery and return to health and happiness!

selena · 09-26-2006, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jimthefiend

No offense man but that is a FUCKING CROCK OF SHIT.

You should return every cent of it.

Speaking for only myself...

I sent a small amount of money, and nothing that I have seen posted makes me wish I had not sent it.

My hopes are...in addition to the little boy having a full recovery...that they *are* able to treat him in Canada. I don't need them to have to travel to Texas, probably lose everything they have, etc....

for me to feel that sending money was justified. Matter of fact, I wish I could have sent more. Simply because I know that were it one of my sons...focusing on work would be the last thing I was able to do. So if my little bit goes to buying some groceries instead of going directly to a medical bill, then so be it.

It's not going to bother me at all.

Sly · 09-26-2006, 12:39 PM

I haven't been following along, but wow, people actually got pissed at you because you didn't get involved? Holy fuck. Thats terrible.

Klen · 09-26-2006, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jimthefiend

I'm so sick of those threads.

My ex wife and mother of my child is fucking ILL to the point I had to rent out the home I own and move a couple hours north to help out with the kid.

It's been NOTHING but hardship and stress for me for MONTHS. Right before all this started I got owned for 21k on a business deal. I don't know and don't even wanna think about what my life would be like if I hadn't started to work for EPIC.

You don't see me BEGGING on GFY.

People need to take responsibilty for their own lives and stop running to a fucking porn webmasters board whenever shit hits the fan.

I have NOTHING against NoCarrier, I like him. I wish the best for his child.

I'm just saying...

Well some people are tooproud to ask for help.

thricer · 09-26-2006, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradM

These are good points.

HOWEVER the money I put out isn't going to break my bank, but it may help save theirs. IF they do need the medical support that can costs hundreds of thousands.

The positive karma is worth it.

BoyAlley · 09-26-2006, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

I haven't been following along, but wow, people actually got pissed at you because you didn't get involved? Holy fuck. Thats terrible.

Well I hope that it was a matter of people not understanding my thinking, which is why I made this thread. Hopefully it cleared things up.

I'm really not a heartless bastard. Honest!

hezochiah · 09-26-2006, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jimthefiend

No offense man but that is a FUCKING CROCK OF SHIT.

You should return every cent of it.

You've pointed out many times that you "don't give a fuck what people think" so why should he care what you think.

cyberstar · 09-26-2006, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by selena

Speaking for only myself...

I sent a small amount of money, and nothing that I have seen posted makes me wish I had not sent it.

My hopes are...in addition to the little boy having a full recovery...that they *are* able to treat him in Canada. I don't need them to have to travel to Texas, probably lose everything they have, etc....

for me to feel that sending money was justified. Matter of fact, I wish I could have sent more. Simply because I know that were it one of my sons...focusing on work would be the last thing I was able to do. So if my little bit goes to buying some groceries instead of going directly to a medical bill, then so be it.

It's not going to bother me at all.

agreed 100% ... bottom line is, this child will be going through chemotherapy!!! (regardless whether it's in US or Canada). I am sure the parents will not be going out partying during all those months. So whatever little money they collected will be used on food, traveling and whatever other misc. expenses. Thank goodness for generosity!

Cyber Fucker · 09-26-2006, 01:42 PM

But I have learned today something that seems to be important... there are still some good people in this world with will of helping others in need

Scootermuze · 09-26-2006, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jimthefiend

No offense man but that is a FUCKING CROCK OF SHIT.

You should return every cent of it.

Ok you've shown you're a tough guy twice in this thread.. I think everyone will agree that you made your point.. so why keep posting?

Did ya notice the rest of the replies contained a bit of..... maturity? Makes for a better thread to read..

Dirty F · 09-26-2006, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BoyAlley

yadiya

I agree 100% with you fagboy. I'm not sure if you remember the Nikki Nova donation thing where i made an almost similar post back then.

People just donated like crazy while we werent even allowed to see the medical bills. And also the fact that it was someone who makes good money and chose not to pay for insurance.

It's horrible what happened to Nocarriers kid and i wish him all the best but i think he should first find out what exactly is wrong, what is gonna happen and how much it's gonna cost. Then try on his own to finance this (if needed at all) and if shit really hits the fan come to gfy.

But whats going on right now is simply fucking ridiculous.

jimthefiend · 09-26-2006, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Franck

I agree 100% with you fagboy. I'm not sure if you remember the Nikki Nova donation thing where i made an almost similar post back then.

People just donated like crazy while we werent even allowed to see the medical bills. And also the fact that it was someone who makes good money and chose not to pay for insurance.

It's horrible what happened to Nocarriers kid and i wish him all the best but i think he should first find out what exactly is wrong, what is gonna happen and how much it's gonna cost. Then try on his own to finance this (if needed at all) and if shit really hits the fan come to gfy.

But whats going on right now is simply fucking ridiculous.

I'm ashamed to admit that for once we agree on something.

09-26-2006, 09:30 AM	#1
BoyAlley So Fucking Gay Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 19,714	Why Teh BoyAlley Didn't Get Involved In The NoCarrier "Samuel" Auction Well I'm a little surprised by the fact that I've been criticized for not getting involved in the auction for NoCarrier's son, especially considering I've raised almost $20,000 in the last two months for industry causes by being the first to hold a sig auction for charity. So, I guess I should explain WHY I chose not to get involved. Let me first start off by saying I wish NoCarrier and his family the best of luck in the world, and hope with all my heart that his son is soon healthy and happy again. As someone that makes large donations to over a half dozen causes a year, and who has worked for years to raise money for dozens of other organizations, I've seen things like this a lot. While the heart of this community is good, I think people rushed into starting this auction and giving these large donations without thinking things through. When people see a child in need, they jump to help, leaving practicality behind. That's why those that organize fundraisers for things like this have to be so careful. The truth is, being a concerned parent, NoCarrier came on here asking for donations before really even knowing what his needs were. Again, I'm not faulting him for doing that, it's a natural reaction. In less than 24 hours, things have gone from "we need $150,000 at least to pay for treatment" to "he can get treated here in Canada for free, but this money will help with household bills". His son's diagnosis has gone from a "glioma type tumor", to not being sure what it is at this point. (this thread) Again, I am in NO WAY faulting NoCarrier. But this is often how situations like this play out. It's also why most people of means make donations to non profit charities, instead of directly to individuals. Charity organizations know what families go through, and are a clear headed third-party to make sure that donor money goes to where it's needed, and to what the donors originally intended it to go for. NoCarrier is a father whose son is in trouble, and he reached out to get him help like any father would. Personally, I don't think NoCarrier needs financial donations at this point. It appears that all he'll be out of pocket financially is some lost income from his wife not working for a while to take care of their son. Certainly things like the $25,000 loan he got from the bank can take care of that, and I think it's an appropriate way to handle such short-term financial difficulties. I think what NoCarrier DOES need is a third-party with a clear head that can think rationally for the family, and help them interface with those organizations that exist to help families like his at times like this. I really hope that this thread doesn't make me look like a cold-hearted asshole. When it comes to charity, it's a matter of need. Where is money needed most, and for what purpose. NoCarrier's son will be getting free treatment, and through a loan, they have the means to deal with short-term financial difficulties arising from 1 parent not working for a period of time. How many people on here have gone through that same situation, where 1 parent was out of work? The need for many many many people is so much greater than that, including people that work in our industry. When we as an industry seek to raise large sums of money, I think we have to do so with a calm, clear head, and a good vision of what the funds we raise will be used for. Again, I wish only the best for your son NoCarrier, and only the best for the rest of your family as well.

09-26-2006, 09:50 AM	#4
scottybuzz Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Location: NY Posts: 14,800	hmm i expected a real bad thread, but you put well thought reasoning behind it boy alley, good points you make. __________________ $$$$$ MAKE HUGE MONEY IN CAMS - CLICK HERE $$$$$

09-26-2006, 09:54 AM	#5
split_joel Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,270	Thought I see your point, I think jimthefriend is way out of line, if my son or my fiance was sick and I couldnt afford it or was even worried about money I would beg to every fucking person, I would do anything to keep the ones i love alive, its called love, and sometimes you got to do things your not so proud of. __________________ E-mail marketing - Automation Scripting - IP Space AIM: splitjoelp ICQ: 254759453 skype - splitjoelp 702-941-6465

09-26-2006, 09:55 AM	#6
WarChild Let slip the dogs of war. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bermuda Posts: 17,263	Fair enough. __________________ .

09-26-2006, 09:55 AM	#7
Ecchi22 Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 10,012	You are totally right. __________________

09-26-2006, 09:47 AM	#3
jimthefiend So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: icq: 121189 Posts: 18,889	I'm so sick of those threads. My ex wife and mother of my child is fucking ILL to the point I had to rent out the home I own and move a couple hours north to help out with the kid. It's been NOTHING but hardship and stress for me for MONTHS. Right before all this started I got owned for 21k on a business deal. I don't know and don't even wanna think about what my life would be like if I hadn't started to work for EPIC. You don't see me BEGGING on GFY. People need to take responsibilty for their own lives and stop running to a fucking porn webmasters board whenever shit hits the fan. I have NOTHING against NoCarrier, I like him. I wish the best for his child. I'm just saying...

09-26-2006, 09:57 AM	#8
pradaboy sell me your banners Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: on the tubes Posts: 12,931	I guess you have a point __________________ Media Buyer - Sell me your traffic! FREE to register domains... Better than 99% of the crap sold here!

09-26-2006, 09:57 AM	#9
fallenmuffin Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 8,170	I completely agree.. I just didn't want to say anything lol. First there was no cure he needed donations, then its treatable and not what they thought it was...I do wish the best for his child but I agree 100% with everything you said.

09-26-2006, 09:57 AM	#10
BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	These are good points. HOWEVER the money I put out isn't going to break my bank, but it may help save theirs. IF they do need the medical support that can costs hundreds of thousands. The positive karma is worth it.

09-26-2006, 10:30 AM	#17
NoWhErE Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 10,389	I gotta take Boy Alley's side here. First of all, I know it wouldn't be below GFY to start up a fake "I need money" thread cause it has happened before. I'm not saying that NoCarrier is scamming us, I'm saying that I'm weary of such stories from the get go. Second of all, being Canadian, I was dumbfounded by the fact that the Canadian Govt "couldn't do anything". In my experience, they will do anything they can to help you, granted they might put you on a long ass waiting list, but they WILL help you no matter what. I don't blame NoCarrier in any way, god I hope his child pulls through. But I also know what great waves of emotion can do to our sense of reason and the devastating effect it can have when its over and you realize that you got people to give you so much money when, in fact, you didn't really need it. Anyhow, all I wanted to say is that I agree with BoyAlley. I held back on giving money to see how the story might develop and in fact, it did develop the way I thought it would. I wish Sammuel the best of luck and a long healthy life. __________________ skype: lordofthecameltoe

09-26-2006, 10:32 AM	#18
Huggles GFY'S #1 retard Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Kelowna Posts: 11,124	I have decided to piss all over my keyboard this morning. __________________ https://3-veo.com/ The best AI video maker portal.

09-26-2006, 10:49 AM	#20
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09-26-2006, 10:53 AM	#22
RobbieRye Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Middle of Nowhere Posts: 616	I don't know if I agree or not.... But well wrote none the less BoyAlley. Clear explanation of your stance.

09-26-2006, 10:54 AM	#23
Ebola Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 207	I find it disturbing to have the kid's face all over GFY now. In some threads it makes for a very weird juxtaposition.

09-26-2006, 10:54 AM	#24
CaptainHowdy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Happy in the dark. Posts: 93,580	It's a point of view...

09-26-2006, 10:55 AM	#25
BV wtf Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Bikini State, FL USA Posts: 10,914	It matters dick all what any of us think! Are you the ones giving? If No? Then worry about something else. People that donate money do it because it makes them feel good. If they want to donate directly to a family, then so be it, it's their free choice.

09-26-2006, 10:58 AM	#26
Spankys Teens Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Location: The Porn Land Posts: 1,414	I agree with boy alley on most points, You really seem like someone with experience. Maybe you should contact NoCarrier directly..... Money won't solve all problems but mate, it sure helps. __________________ Banners - Design - TGP & more Trade: Teenies In Action icq: 256664696

09-26-2006, 11:03 AM	#30
Furious_Female Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Upstate, New York Posts: 8,187	You're a very rational and intelligent person, BoyAlley. __________________ Skype: j3nn.com ICQ 160370494 My current favorite high-converting sponsor: CrakRevenue

09-26-2006, 11:26 AM	#31
scardog Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 886	If we can support our own in a time like this, then who cares if he gets an extra bag of cash? If your kid gets a brain tumor, and you get free medical care, I will still send you some money to ease your pain if you think it will. I would like for him think about getting his kid well, and not earning money for the next few months. But your reasons are fine for not giving, or raising money for him, and that is your right. I for one respect your choice, and hope others will respect mine. Last edited by scardog; 09-26-2006 at 11:27 AM..

09-26-2006, 11:30 AM	#32
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09-26-2006, 12:06 PM	#34
rigrunner Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: UK Posts: 877	I doubt the guy would run off with the cash if his kid does get free treatment, I think the shock alone would encourage him (i hope) to send any extra generated money which he didn't need off to a charity to help out other parents facing similar situations. It's nice to see that the adult industry can pull together for a good cause. However, I'm shocked that people have been critical of BoyAlley - that guy contributes loads to charity... If i made that much off my sig, i'd be blowing it all on booze ;) __________________ Get Nasty - Make Bank Here

09-26-2006, 12:08 PM	#35
squishypimp PostMaster General Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 10,781	very good points boyalley, but i also agree that small donations are what is best. Perhaps BoyAlley, if you got involved your donation could go directly to one of the following organizations: http://www.cbtf.org/ http://www.childrenscancercenter.org/ http://www.wish.org/ I have personally dealt with the Make-A-Wish Foundation and have found that the organization is one of the most well run and beneficial children's hope organizations out there. thats just something to think about. __________________ Signature For Sale

09-26-2006, 12:19 PM	#36
NoCarrier We need more free porn Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 16,356	BoyAlley, I understand your point and completely agree. We received news so fast that I didn't know where to start. I should've waited before sending a help signal. The money I've received to far will be used for the next couple of months. There will only be one revenue in this house and it's from me. Unfortunately, I am not a millionaire. But if you guys decide to send the "sig" money to a charity foundation instead, I will also understand. And about the "loan". If I decide to take it, I would have to reimburse it over the years. I really didn't want to play with everyone's feelings. Mine are quite on the edge right now. __________________

09-26-2006, 12:39 PM	#41
Sly Let's do some business! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 31,329	I haven't been following along, but wow, people actually got pissed at you because you didn't get involved? Holy fuck. Thats terrible. __________________ Vacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted Windows VPS now available Great for TSS, Nifty Stats, remote work, virtual assistants, etc. Click here for more details.

09-26-2006, 01:42 PM	#47
Cyber Fucker Hmm Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: On an endless road around the world for rock and roll. Posts: 12,642	But I have learned today something that seems to be important... there are still some good people in this world with will of helping others in need __________________ Last edited by Cyber Fucker; 09-26-2006 at 01:43 PM..