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forgetprivacy · 06-27-2002, 01:19 AM

Everybody should join this campaign if you don't want to live in a society where everything you do is constantly monitored by the government/police(you can sign the petition yourself, tell about it to all your friends,post the link to other msgboards,open the site in a exit console or make it your link of the day)

The campaign/petition is here:
http://www.stop1984.com/index2.php?...text=letter.txt

here is the petition text:
The EU-Parliament decided contrary to the basic statement of the directive about data protection and the recommendations of the commitee for civil rights in the European Parliament: YES to data retention without evidence.

Thus the member countries are empowered to enact national laws about retention of digital network data, in open disregard of the EU-Directive on data protection.

Therefore we address this open letter to all the members of national parliaments as well as to the governments of the EU member countries. As the EU-Parliament isn't respecting the idea behind its own directive about the protection of data we expect the members of the parliaments and governments of the EU-members to act as a necessary corrective.

Individual meta-information, extracted from evaluated data of communication, provides information about our communicational behavior, our personal interests, about the places we travel to, sexual orientation and preferences and our whereabouts.

No state has the right to store intimate data like this about its citizens without evidence - legitimated only by the argument of easier law enforcement.

We demand that storing of these data by law enforcement authorities should be bound to warrants or to the appropriate authorities and be allowed only on a case-by-case basis. This should be done adequatly and on a limited scale as well as according to the European Convention of Human Rights, the European Charta of Basic Rights and the decisions by the European Court.

If fundamental democratic rights are sacrificed in the the quest for safety, freedom will die as well.

Systematic and preventive retention of all electronic communication data means the end to the most important rights within a democracy: the right of privacy, freedom of speech and the presumption of innocence.

We the undersigned demand members of parliament and governments to fullfill their duties as peoples' representatives.

Value the benefit and freedom of the individual higher than a hypothetic facility for law enforcement authorities!

forgetprivacy · 06-27-2002, 01:21 AM

more info about the matter:
This law that makes sure authorities record everything everybody does was passed by the EU-parlament on 30.5.02.
(websites visited, emails sent and received,phonecalls,location of your phone etc. will be recorded for everybody who lives in EU)
Also if somebody outside Europe is in contact with somebody inside Europe that will be recorded(emails,phonecalls)

you can read more info here:
http://www.statewatch.org/news/2002/may/10epcavein.htm

Here are a couple of interesting points:

11. The net effect will be to fundamentally undermine data protection laws put into place so painstakingly during the 1990s. Moreover, if people become aware that all their communications are being held on record it will undermine confidence in e-mails and the internet.

13. The EU's Police Chiefs Operational Task Force want data to be retained and accessible for:
"research purposes"
that is, not in connection with any specific offence but in order to conduct "fishing expeditions" on individuals or groups.

This is a very informative site and everybody should add it to their bookmarks:
http://www.statewatch.org/

funkmaster · 06-27-2002, 01:31 AM

... I am a pervert, I need to be under constant controll of my government ... surveilance rules !!

forgetprivacy · 06-27-2002, 01:41 AM

here is the right url for the campaign:
http://www.stop1984.com/index2.php?l...ext=letter.txt

wsjb78 · 06-27-2002, 01:42 AM

EU is not Europe.... there are a few countries that are not members (YET) in the EU!

Stevie Ward · 06-27-2002, 02:00 AM

This is some really scary shit......rights as we know it are on the way out....

Stevie Ward

brutus · 06-27-2002, 02:23 AM

Too much is too much...

I hope that few non-eu member European countries have enough force to resists the pressure from EU and USA. Especially I hope that switzerland will not give up with their banking principles.

I hope that new countries applying for EU membership finally undestand that they are going to join to the growing evil imperium It doesn't honor privacy or private rights. As usual - they don't understand and where are the rebels?

ControlThy · 06-27-2002, 02:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by wsjb78
EU is not Europe.... there are a few countries that are not members (YET) in the EU!

The important European countries are members of the European Union.

wsjb78 · 06-27-2002, 03:03 AM

depends on what you stress as important countries...

ControlThy · 06-27-2002, 03:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by wsjb78
depends on what you stress as important countries...

Large populations - Wealth.

When is Switzerland joining the EU?

wsjb78 · 06-27-2002, 03:51 AM

Not sure... one of our most important concerns is the liberation of the bank business... don't really know what it's called in English...

Firehorse · 06-27-2002, 03:55 AM

they have been recording our communications covertly for years...now they want to cover their asses by doing it within the guise of government made law.

Voltaire said: 'I may disagree with what you say,
but I will defend the death your right to say it."

i guess he'd be really pissed at them? hehe

rogerbo · 06-27-2002, 04:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ControlThy

Large populations - Wealth.

When is Switzerland joining the EU?

Not before I'm dead. That would be one of the bigest mistake we could do.
Btw we are a small population compare to the others but I'm sure the EU is just witing to get our money as Germany will not pay more as they do now.

sexpress · 06-27-2002, 04:01 AM

oooohhh shit!!! This is awful!!!

them

ServerGenius · 06-27-2002, 05:36 AM

It´s complete bullshit and impossible to ever execute such idea
no matter what technology they want to use. It´s almost like
saying...let´s heal the environment issues we will start banning
all cars from Europe.

DynaMite

ServerGenius · 06-27-2002, 05:38 AM

Apart from the tech side it´s also impossible based on constitutions. Some Fucking bozo came up with this excellent idea
and now he thinks he will change the world....hahaha

DynaMite

06-27-2002, 01:19 AM	#1
forgetprivacy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 3	Europe plans complete surveillance! Everybody should join this campaign if you don't want to live in a society where everything you do is constantly monitored by the government/police(you can sign the petition yourself, tell about it to all your friends,post the link to other msgboards,open the site in a exit console or make it your link of the day) The campaign/petition is here: http://www.stop1984.com/index2.php?...text=letter.txt here is the petition text: The EU-Parliament decided contrary to the basic statement of the directive about data protection and the recommendations of the commitee for civil rights in the European Parliament: YES to data retention without evidence. Thus the member countries are empowered to enact national laws about retention of digital network data, in open disregard of the EU-Directive on data protection. Therefore we address this open letter to all the members of national parliaments as well as to the governments of the EU member countries. As the EU-Parliament isn't respecting the idea behind its own directive about the protection of data we expect the members of the parliaments and governments of the EU-members to act as a necessary corrective. Individual meta-information, extracted from evaluated data of communication, provides information about our communicational behavior, our personal interests, about the places we travel to, sexual orientation and preferences and our whereabouts. No state has the right to store intimate data like this about its citizens without evidence - legitimated only by the argument of easier law enforcement. We demand that storing of these data by law enforcement authorities should be bound to warrants or to the appropriate authorities and be allowed only on a case-by-case basis. This should be done adequatly and on a limited scale as well as according to the European Convention of Human Rights, the European Charta of Basic Rights and the decisions by the European Court. If fundamental democratic rights are sacrificed in the the quest for safety, freedom will die as well. Systematic and preventive retention of all electronic communication data means the end to the most important rights within a democracy: the right of privacy, freedom of speech and the presumption of innocence. We the undersigned demand members of parliament and governments to fullfill their duties as peoples' representatives. Value the benefit and freedom of the individual higher than a hypothetic facility for law enforcement authorities!

06-27-2002, 03:55 AM	#12
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06-27-2002, 05:38 AM	#16
ServerGenius Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 9,377	Apart from the tech side it´s also impossible based on constitutions. Some Fucking bozo came up with this excellent idea and now he thinks he will change the world....hahaha DynaMite __________________ \| http://www.sinnerscash.com/ \| ICQ: 370820 \| Skype: SinnersCash \| AdultWhosWho \|

06-27-2002, 01:21 AM	#2
forgetprivacy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 3	more info about the matter: This law that makes sure authorities record everything everybody does was passed by the EU-parlament on 30.5.02. (websites visited, emails sent and received,phonecalls,location of your phone etc. will be recorded for everybody who lives in EU) Also if somebody outside Europe is in contact with somebody inside Europe that will be recorded(emails,phonecalls) you can read more info here: http://www.statewatch.org/news/2002/may/10epcavein.htm Here are a couple of interesting points: 11. The net effect will be to fundamentally undermine data protection laws put into place so painstakingly during the 1990s. Moreover, if people become aware that all their communications are being held on record it will undermine confidence in e-mails and the internet. 13. The EU's Police Chiefs Operational Task Force want data to be retained and accessible for: "research purposes" that is, not in connection with any specific offence but in order to conduct "fishing expeditions" on individuals or groups. This is a very informative site and everybody should add it to their bookmarks: http://www.statewatch.org/

06-27-2002, 01:31 AM	#3
funkmaster So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: shell beach Posts: 7,938	... I am a pervert, I need to be under constant controll of my government ... surveilance rules !!

06-27-2002, 01:41 AM	#4
forgetprivacy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 3	here is the right url for the campaign: http://www.stop1984.com/index2.php?l...ext=letter.txt

06-27-2002, 01:42 AM	#5
wsjb78 Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Cyberspace Posts: 594	EU is not Europe.... there are a few countries that are not members (YET) in the EU!

06-27-2002, 02:00 AM	#6
Stevie Ward Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: sunny place Posts: 96	This is some really scary shit......rights as we know it are on the way out.... Stevie Ward

06-27-2002, 02:23 AM	#7
brutus Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Living in the bottle. Posts: 590	Too much is too much... I hope that few non-eu member European countries have enough force to resists the pressure from EU and USA. Especially I hope that switzerland will not give up with their banking principles. I hope that new countries applying for EU membership finally undestand that they are going to join to the growing evil imperium It doesn't honor privacy or private rights. As usual - they don't understand and where are the rebels?

06-27-2002, 03:03 AM	#9
wsjb78 Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Cyberspace Posts: 594	depends on what you stress as important countries...

06-27-2002, 03:51 AM	#11
wsjb78 Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Cyberspace Posts: 594	Not sure... one of our most important concerns is the liberation of the bank business... don't really know what it's called in English...