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  • Konda
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    • Apr 2003
    • 2280
    #1

    Domains deleted because of obscene content?!

    So a friend of me from Denmark has over 200 domains registered with DirectNic. This weekend suddenly all his domains were placed on hold, without any warning. He mailed them to ask what's up, and this is what they replied:


    We have determined that your domains are illegal under US federal law [U.S. v. Extreme Associates, Inc., 431 F.3d 150 C.A.3 (Pa.),2005. December 08, 2005 (Approx. 12 pages)]and the state laws of a majority of the states of the Union, including Louisiana and Virginia.
    Since when can domains be illegal? I know content can be illegal/obscene, but I always thought that as long as you host it in a country where it's legal, it shouldn't be a problem?

    Most of his domains were .com and .net domains (scat, rape, beast, etc.). I know this stuff is not legal in the US, but still, can a domain registry just take your domains like that?
    Last edited by Konda; 09-25-2006, 08:33 AM.
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    • baddog
      So Fucking Banned
      • Apr 2001
      • 107089
      #2
      guess that is what he gets for thinking

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        • Martin3
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          • Oct 2005
          • 1529
          #3
          scat, rape, beast sites on a US anything is bad jojo
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            • gooddomains
              Too lazy to set a custom title
              • Jul 2003
              • 10127
              #4
              that is a new one....

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                • KingK7
                  Confirmed User
                  • Jun 2002
                  • 6372
                  #5
                  How the fuck can a DOMAIN be illegal?
                  Content, fine, but a domain??

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                    • Damian_Maxcash
                      So Fucking Banned
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 12745
                      #6
                      Id say it was more to do with registry policy than legality.

                      If they do insist thats a legal issue he could kick up a stink - its a big debate at the moment.

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                        • BoyAlley
                          So Fucking Gay
                          • Nov 2004
                          • 19714
                          #7
                          Wow, I've never heard of such a thing being done?

                          The thought of registrars being able to arbitrarily being able to axe your domains is a scary one!

                          In some parts of the world, "gay" conduct is considered illegal. I certainly wouldn't want those countries having a say in what domains I can own.

                          Wow.

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                            • scottybuzz
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                              • May 2006
                              • 14799
                              #8
                              im all for registars doing that.
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                                • cool1
                                  sex is good
                                  • Sep 2001
                                  • 24939
                                  #9
                                  That is pretty shitty of them
                                  Could make one worried, but then if one has nothing that could be deemed illegal then one has nothing really to worry about.

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                                    • SomeCreep
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                                      • Mar 2003
                                      • 26118
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by Konda
                                      So a friend of me from Denmark has over 200 domains registered with DirectNic. This weekend suddenly all his domains were placed on hold, without any warning. He mailed them to ask what's up, and this is what they replied:



                                      Since when can domains be illegal? I know content can be illegal/obscene, but I always thought that as long as you host it in a country where it's legal, it shouldn't be a problem?

                                      Most of his domains were .com and .net domains (scat, rape, beast, etc.). I know this stuff is not legal in the US, but still, can a domain registry just take your domains like that?
                                      Read Directnic's TOS/AUP. You'll find Directnic, as well as most registrars reserve the right to suspend questionable/offensive domains, especially if those domains contain illegal content. Basically, those domains are making Directnic look bad.

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                                        • Bossman
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                                          • Jun 2006
                                          • 1263
                                          #11
                                          Did he have related content on those domains?
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                                            • Lee
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                                              • Aug 2002
                                              • 2977
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by scottybuzz
                                              im all for registars doing that.
                                              Its a horrendously dangerous precedent IMO.

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                                                • Z
                                                  Vidi Vici Veni
                                                  • Nov 2002
                                                  • 6308
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by Lee
                                                  Its a horrendously dangerous precedent IMO.
                                                  That's exactly what I was thinking.

                                                  But it also backs up what I was thinking about registrars too. As powerful as they are, they seem to be powerless in the face of US bullshit.

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                                                    • Damian_Maxcash
                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                      • 12745
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by scottybuzz
                                                      im all for registars doing that.
                                                      None of like Rape sites but it shouldnt be a private company that is policing it - esp across international borders.

                                                      What if someone from DirectNic looking at one of my sites dosnt like Ginger Pubes?

                                                      If it was DirectNic policy as stated in terms then thats fine - but if they are doing it because they are enforcing US law on a non-US entity then they need to be taught a lesson.

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                                                        • Peaches
                                                          Old broad
                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                          • 13933
                                                          #15
                                                          Interesting. I know a self pronounced big playa that has beast and lolita in some of their URLs. I wonder if their registrar and hosting company will take the same steps?

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                                                            • SmokeyTheBear
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                                                              • Jun 2004
                                                              • 28609
                                                              #16
                                                              i dont think thats cool at all. i understand directnic reluctance to want to be associated with such sites , but its a tough cookie

                                                              for the record im not a domain guru and dont have any "questionable" domain names but i still think this is a shitty situation..

                                                              If the domain NAME itself is questionable , it shouldnt have been able to have been registered in the first place thru filters to deny purchase of domains with banned words...

                                                              Im curious as to what directnic does with these domains.. are the just locked so he has to transfer them or did they seize them or what ?

                                                              Im a directnic fan and have quite a few domains registered there. have always been a fan of their service and dont mind paying the extra price for good service, but i dont like hearing stories like this ..
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                                                                • JD
                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                  • Sep 2003
                                                                  • 22651
                                                                  #17
                                                                  wow...that sucks....Is DirectNIC a us based company? Maybe they caught some heat from the domains?

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                                                                    • RawAlex
                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                      • Oct 2003
                                                                      • 9465
                                                                      #18
                                                                      You guys are reading it backwards here. Directnic is a US entity, and they are bound by the laws of the US. Providing domains for illegal material (such as scat or bestiality) could put them in the shitter legally, regardless of where it is hosted. They would be aiding the distribution of this material.

                                                                      I don't like it, but they may have little choice.

                                                                      Hereis the important question: WHAT WAS ON THOSE DOMAINS?

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                                                                        • SmokeyTheBear
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                                                                          • Jun 2004
                                                                          • 28609
                                                                          #19
                                                                          im also curious as to hear if the domains are associated with the content or not at all...

                                                                          like if i registered a site called "fuck-the-donkey-dick.com , and it was just a site about girls fucking guys with big dicks is this o.k. or not o.k.
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                                                                            • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                              ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                              • Jun 2004
                                                                              • 28609
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by RawAlex
                                                                              You guys are reading it backwards here. Directnic is a US entity, and they are bound by the laws of the US. Providing domains for illegal material (such as scat or bestiality) could put them in the shitter legally, regardless of where it is hosted. They would be aiding the distribution of this material.

                                                                              I don't like it, but they may have little choice.

                                                                              Hereis the important question: WHAT WAS ON THOSE DOMAINS?
                                                                              what laws are you referring to specifically ? i have never heard any laws that ban names ?
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                                                                                • PlugRush Sascha
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                                                                                  • Jan 2004
                                                                                  • 2772
                                                                                  #21
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                                                                                    • DutchTeenCash
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                                                                                      • Feb 2003
                                                                                      • 21684
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      so they were just parked names?

                                                                                      hmm still I can imagine some names not being that welcome but ban I wonder what law would OK that

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                                                                                        • WarChild
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                                                                                          • Jan 2003
                                                                                          • 17263
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          You're surprised that a reigstrar based in the United States has to follow US laws? Are you guys serious?

                                                                                          Off shore businesses and off shore hosting is fine, but you'll need an offshore registrar. Use your heads people.
                                                                                          .

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                                                                                            • Damian_Maxcash
                                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                                              • Oct 2002
                                                                                              • 12745
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by RawAlex
                                                                                              You guys are reading it backwards here. Directnic is a US entity, and they are bound by the laws of the US. Providing domains for illegal material (such as scat or bestiality) could put them in the shitter legally, regardless of where it is hosted. They would be aiding the distribution of this material.

                                                                                              I don't like it, but they may have little choice.

                                                                                              Hereis the important question: WHAT WAS ON THOSE DOMAINS?
                                                                                              It dosnt matter - you can call a site what you like, so no US law was broken - The content is a seperate issue, and has nothing to do with US laws at all as (we assume) it wasnt hosted in the US.

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                                                                                                • fris
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                                                                                                  • Aug 2002
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                                                                                                  #25
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                                                                                                    • Damian_Maxcash
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                                                                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                                                                      • 12745
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by WarChild
                                                                                                      You're surprised that a reigstrar based in the United States has to follow US laws? Are you guys serious?

                                                                                                      Off shore businesses and off shore hosting is fine, but you'll need an offshore registrar. Use your heads people.
                                                                                                      Its already been asked - what US law was broken actually in the US?

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                                                                                                        • After Shock Media
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                                                                                                          • Mar 2001
                                                                                                          • 35299
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                                          what laws are you referring to specifically ? i have never heard any laws that ban names ?
                                                                                                          I think he was just implying that directnic falls under US law, which is true.

                                                                                                          However there is no law prohibiting any given names. Sort of covered by freedom of speech and all.

                                                                                                          Directnic more than likely has a policy that allows them to delete such a domain. Though I would doubt it is legal. They could legally force you to change registrars, etc. Though they would not be able to sell you something, then take it away stating they do not approve of it. Then again they could but one would need to fight them over it. At least that is what I think.

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                                                                                                            • Konda
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                                                                                                              • Apr 2003
                                                                                                              • 2280
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              There was actual obscene content on some of these domains (tgp's etc), others just forwarded to sponsors.

                                                                                                              I am against most of the content, but still, what's next... What if you run gay sites, and gay porn becomes illegal in the state where your registar is located? They can just take away your domains?

                                                                                                              It's just scary to see these things happen.

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                                                                                                                • lound
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                                                                                                                  • Jun 2002
                                                                                                                  • 28
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  I know the guy as well, the domains did contain bestiality content - but he's been with them for 3 years so they most have known which type domains he had, just shutting them down without any notice and after that - not provide any explanation for 4 days is just insane.

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                                                                                                                    • TheSwed
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                                                                                                                      • Feb 2004
                                                                                                                      • 3483
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Bestiality is legal in Denmark

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                                                                                                                        • WarChild
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                                                                                                                          • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                          • 17263
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by damian2001
                                                                                                                          Its already been asked - what US law was broken actually in the US?
                                                                                                                          Everything you need is in the first post. Apparently, in the minds of the legal department at Directnic, [U.S. v. Extreme Associates, Inc., 431 F.3d 150 C.A.3 (Pa.),2005. December 08, 2005 (Approx. 12 pages)] decision either upholds some law or perhaps sets a precedent. Go read it if you're interested.

                                                                                                                          I was't actually speaking about a specific law in this case, I was more addressing comments like
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Mystery Man
                                                                                                                          Last I checked .com and .net was under international laws and not us. like the .us extension.
                                                                                                                          As for everyone jumping to the conclusion that the domain name was the problem, did you even read the original post? Look at the title:

                                                                                                                          Domains deleted because of obscene content?!
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                                                                                                                            • Pleasurepays
                                                                                                                              BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES
                                                                                                                              • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                              • 11913
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by damian2001
                                                                                                                              It dosnt matter - you can call a site what you like, so no US law was broken - The content is a seperate issue, and has nothing to do with US laws at all as (we assume) it wasnt hosted in the US.
                                                                                                                              jesus... you people are dumber than a box of fucking rocks. since every fucking question was answered in the first post... it would seem logical to just read the federal law that was cited and the applicable state law, before unilaterally declaring people guilty or innocent.

                                                                                                                              Directnic is a company founded by people from porn. its not like they are ran by Jerry Fallwell or something. if some guy had a domain www.teens-eating-each-others-shit.com and they deleted it... i think there is an argument for it.

                                                                                                                              however, since a URL has not be produced, i would assume the crew at DirectNic is doing the right thing.

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                                                                                                                                • lound
                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                  • Jun 2002
                                                                                                                                  • 28
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Just heard that directnic came with a constructive response so he'll be able to transfer them to another registrar, guess most of the delay was due to bad timing with the weekend and all that.

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                                                                                                                                    • After Shock Media
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                                                                                                                                      • Mar 2001
                                                                                                                                      • 35299
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by lound
                                                                                                                                      Just heard that directnic came with a constructive response so he'll be able to transfer them to another registrar, guess most of the delay was due to bad timing with the weekend and all that.
                                                                                                                                      Figured so much, hence my first post.

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                                                                                                                                        • fallenmuffin
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                                                                                                                                          • Nov 2005
                                                                                                                                          • 8170
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Yeah, it's the register ToS...man that is scary though

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                                                                                                                                            • Damian_Maxcash
                                                                                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                              • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                              • 12745
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                                                                                                              jesus... you people are dumber than a box of fucking rocks. since every fucking question was answered in the first post... it would seem logical to just read the federal law that was cited and the applicable state law, before unilaterally declaring people guilty or innocent.

                                                                                                                                              Directnic is a company founded by people from porn. its not like they are ran by Jerry Fallwell or something. if some guy had a domain www.teens-eating-each-others-shit.com and they deleted it... i think there is an argument for it.

                                                                                                                                              however, since a URL has not be produced, i would assume the crew at DirectNic is doing the right thing.
                                                                                                                                              I cant find the PDF on Google - anyone got it?

                                                                                                                                              I would be suprised if there is anything that says a domain name in itself can be illegal - surely its protected by the constitution?

                                                                                                                                              Actually, come to think of it I wouldnt be suprised

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                                                                                                                                                • Pleasurepays
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                                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                  • 11913
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by damian2001
                                                                                                                                                  I cant find the PDF on Google - anyone got it?

                                                                                                                                                  I would be suprised if there is anything that says a domain name in itself can be illegal - surely its protected by the constitution?

                                                                                                                                                  Actually, come to think of it I wouldnt be suprised

                                                                                                                                                  its about obscenity laws in the US and State of Louisianna.
                                                                                                                                                  not "sorry, this domain is illegal"

                                                                                                                                                  case law was cited and its in their TOS, so i dont think there is much to discuss since opinions and conjecture are quite irrelevant to the facts.

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                                                                                                                                                    • DutchTeenCash
                                                                                                                                                      I like Dutch Girls
                                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                                      • 21684
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Konda
                                                                                                                                                      There was actual obscene content on some of these domains (tgp's etc), others just forwarded to sponsors.

                                                                                                                                                      I am against most of the content, but still, what's next... What if you run gay sites, and gay porn becomes illegal in the state where your registar is located? They can just take away your domains?

                                                                                                                                                      It's just scary to see these things happen.
                                                                                                                                                      ok there was content - different story

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                                                                                                                                                        • Lee
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                                                                                                                                                          • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                          • 2977
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          At least he has the opportunity to transfer them away.

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                                                                                                                                                            • squishypimp
                                                                                                                                                              PostMaster General
                                                                                                                                                              • Aug 2006
                                                                                                                                                              • 10781
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              this is unfortunate to hear as it looks like censorship is going to be coming on stronger.

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                                                                                                                                                                • Damian_Maxcash
                                                                                                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                                  • 12745
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                                                                                                                                  its about obscenity laws in the US and State of Louisianna.
                                                                                                                                                                  not "sorry, this domain is illegal"

                                                                                                                                                                  case law was cited and its in their TOS, so i dont think there is much to discuss since opinions and conjecture are quite irrelevant to the facts.
                                                                                                                                                                  I said at the begining that if it was in the TOS then there was nothing to answer.

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                                                                                                                                                                    • chaze
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                                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                          • 9491
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by damian2001

                                                                                                                                                                          I would be suprised if there is anything that says a domain name in itself can be illegal - surely its protected by the constitution?

                                                                                                                                                                          Actually, come to think of it I wouldnt be suprised
                                                                                                                                                                          Actually, there is a law about domain names misleading surfers into viewing obscenity or misleading minors into viewing porn:

                                                                                                                                                                          http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/h...2---B000-.html

                                                                                                                                                                          I dont know the domain names regarding this case, but somehow he obviously violated their TOS with putting that content on his sites.
                                                                                                                                                                          I also think there is more behind this story, maybe some law enforcement put pressure on the registrar or they got complains.

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                                                                                                                                                                            • EZRhino
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                                                                                                                                                                              • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                                                              • 6258
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              You would think they would at least give him a chance to move his domains.

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                                                                                                                                                                                • MetaMan
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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 28682
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by scottybuzz
                                                                                                                                                                                  im all for registars doing that.

                                                                                                                                                                                  are you kidding me?
                                                                                                                                                                                  lets also lock up everyone in from a certain race that commit the most crimes.

                                                                                                                                                                                  you cannot ban things based on what you "think" things will be used for. if you are not breaking the law how they should not be able to ban you.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Fabien
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                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by scottybuzz
                                                                                                                                                                                      im all for registars doing that.
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Fabien
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • XPays
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                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              registrars get sued many times along with the the registrant when a suit is filed. it seems logical that a u.s. based registrar would look to drop customers who put them at great risk.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ok now, which registrars arent' US based, this is fucking insane !

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • borked
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 6284
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      If they don't agree to such objectionable names, why do they let you register them in the first place?

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Take your money, yeah. Then Hold them.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      For coding work - hit me up on andy // borkedcoder // com
                                                                                                                                                                                                      (consider figuring out the email as test #1)


                                                                                                                                                                                                      All models are wrong, but some are useful. George E.P. Box. p202

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