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drunkmonkey · 06-26-2002, 08:52 PM

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Originally posted by Brown Bear

It doesn't matter if the word "god" represents any individual religion or not.

It is unconstitutional for the US government to promote religion in general.

Again, I will restate the fact that I do not care if the word "god" is in the pledge, on the dollar, in the courts, or tattooed on some guys forehead. I do not feel that I am being forced to believe in anything by the word. Bascially, I am not threatened by it. What amazes me is the religious zeal that people attack it with.

bhutocracy · 06-26-2002, 08:54 PM

besides god *IS* a very definable character.. even if you don't believe in it. you know full well they mean the one that rained fire and brimstone down on sodom and gomorrah. the one that goes around flooding places.

[Labret] · 06-26-2002, 08:55 PM

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Originally posted by Brown Bear

You're assuming that religion has been a good thing for human society. Some people would argue that a world that never had any religion at all throughout history would have been better.

Religion has definitely had a huge impact, but whether it has been good or not is questionable.

Name me one single culture that has been without "religion".

Independent from each other, every culture known to man has developed some sort of belief system governing their lives that could be construed as "religion". Whether it be a simple agrarian god(s) that controlled crops and the seasons, or more highly ritualized religion like the Aztecs and Christianity.

Religion is as natural to man as breathing is.

You have no basis of proof your assumptions. For one would never know what a world would be like without religion.

Brown Bear · 06-26-2002, 08:57 PM

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Originally posted by drunkmonkey

Again, I will restate the fact that I do not care if the word "god" is in the pledge, on the dollar, in the courts, or tattooed on some guys forehead. I do not feel that I am being forced to believe in anything by the word. Bascially, I am not threatened by it. What amazes me is the religious zeal that people attack it with.

The issue is not whether you feel you are being forced to believe in anything.

The issue is that according to the US constitution, the government is not allowed to endorse any religion.

drunkmonkey · 06-26-2002, 09:00 PM

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Originally posted by bhutocracy

anyone that believes in the biblical flood, that the earth is 6000 years old and believes in creation isn't not religious.

My argument was that the creation model was more solid than the evolution model. I will admit that I am very religious. My religion is knowledge. However, I feel that you are trying to label me as right wing Chrsitian. Please revise your label

Brown Bear · 06-26-2002, 09:00 PM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

Name me one single culture that has been without "religion".

Independent from each other, every culture known to man has had some sort of belief system governing their lives that could be construed as "religion". Whther it be a simple agrarian god(s) that controlled crops and the seasons, or more highly ritualized religion like the Aztecs and Christianity.

Religion is as natural to man as breathing is.

You have no basis of proof your assumtpions. For one would never know what a world would be like without religion.

I never said that there are cultures without religion. All I said was that just because religion has impacted human society doesn't mean that it has been a good impact. Some people would argue that it hasn't been good.

nocostporn · 06-26-2002, 09:02 PM

can you guys slow down... I need a new dvd player for my guestroom...don't fuck it up

drunkmonkey · 06-26-2002, 09:03 PM

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Originally posted by bhutocracy

we know from the statements by the people that first put the "under god" into the pledge exactly which definable god character they meant.. it certainly wasn't Vishnu.

they didn't say "we're putting the god of the muslims - allah into the constitution"

True. But just as the statement "...and justice for all" was put in by those same people and was defined by their justice, it no longer has the same meaning, the same can be applied to the "...under god" statement.

drunkmonkey · 06-26-2002, 09:04 PM

bhut, it looks like we are going to win another guy we do not know a DVD player again

bhutocracy · 06-26-2002, 09:06 PM

I wouldn't advocate a world without religion. Just one where all beliefs/religions were equal. To me, I don't understand why, if you adhere to a certain religion you can't just get your fill at whatever church, synagogue, stone ruin you prefer and leave it out of the public courtrooms, cash and pledges... I wouldn't have thought it was too much to ask..
send your kids to religious schools where they pray 50 times a day.. just don't expect my tax dollars to subsidise it any more than i want to subsidise the radical muslim youth mosque

Brown Bear · 06-26-2002, 09:09 PM

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Originally posted by drunkmonkey

True. But just as the statement "...and justice for all" was put in by those same people and was defined by their justice, it no longer has the same meaning, the same can be applied to the "...under god" statement.

The statement "and justice for all" was not put in by the same people as the "under god" statement.

The statement "and justice for all" existed in the original version written in 1892.

The statement "under god" was not put in until 1954.

Mr.Fiction · 06-26-2002, 09:11 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim
Interesting comment about the 9th Circuit -- anyone in this business should praise whatever they either believe or don't believe in for the 9th, since it's the one that more times than not issues decisions that are good for this industry.

Thank you for pointing that out. Some of the people on this board don't care though. If Rush Limbaugh tells them that the court is evil, then facts aren't going to get in the way.

It's like the people who are against the ACLU because Rush tells them to be against the ACLU. They usually have no idea that Civil Liberties = Freedoms. To these people "Cilvil Liberties" sounds like some evil liberal plot, so they want them all taken away by the government, right away.

There is no use arguing with people who get their opinions from talk radio.

drunkmonkey · 06-26-2002, 09:12 PM

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Originally posted by Brown Bear

The statement "and justice for all" was not put in by the same people as the "under god" statement.

The statement "and justice for all" existed in the original version written in 1892.

The statement "under god" was not put in until 1954.

You are correct. However, I feel my argument still applies.

bhutocracy · 06-26-2002, 09:12 PM

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Originally posted by drunkmonkey

My argument was that the creation model was more solid than the evolution model. I will admit that I am very religious. My religion is knowledge. However, I feel that you are trying to label me as right wing Chrsitian. Please revise your label

I know you're not a right wing christian, and i never said otherwise.. I even tried to explain that I didn't mean "religious" in that sense.. put it this way - if you don't believe in life after death then I take it back.

re: DVD i know.. sucks ass

Brown Bear · 06-26-2002, 09:15 PM

when President Eisenhower signed the legislation inserting "under God" after the words "one nation," he declared: "Millions of our schoolchildren will daily proclaim in every city and town, every village and rural schoolhouse, the dedication of our nation and our people to the Almighty."

titmowse · 06-26-2002, 09:19 PM

FYI:

"The words, "under God," did not appear in the Pledge of Allegiance until 1954, when Congress, under McCarthyism, inserted them. Likewise, "In God We Trust" was absent from paper currency before 1956. It appeared on some coins earlier, as did other sundry phrases, such as "Mind Your Business." The original U.S. motto, chosen by John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson, is E Pluribus Unum ("Of Many, One"), celebrating plurality, not theocracy."

drunkmonkey · 06-26-2002, 09:22 PM

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Originally posted by bhutocracy

I know you're not a right wing christian, and i never said otherwise.. I even tried to explain that I didn't mean "religious" in that sense.. put it this way - do you believe in consciousness after death? not necessarily "heaven" but "life" after death? thats religious.. if you don't believe in life after death then I take it back.

re: DVD i know.. sucks ass

So your definition of religion is a belief in life after death? Then no, I am not religious. I have no evidence of an afterlife and therefore cannot believe in it.

Have you seen that movie "Vanella Sky"? Crazy ass movie but good concept. It just popped in my head with all of this afterlife talk. I hate Tom Cruise, btw. Guess what role he plays in the movie? If you said spoiled rich kid then you win the tea set on the top shelf

Brown Bear · 06-26-2002, 09:23 PM

This might not seem like a big deal to many people, but I think everyone should be concerned about the encroachment of religious thought and endorsement into government.

Mr.Fiction · 06-26-2002, 09:26 PM

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Originally posted by titmowse
FYI:

"The words, "under God," did not appear in the Pledge of Allegiance until 1954, when Congress, under McCarthyism, inserted them. Likewise, "In God We Trust" was absent from paper currency before 1956. It appeared on some coins earlier, as did other sundry phrases, such as "Mind Your Business." The original U.S. motto, chosen by John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson, is E Pluribus Unum ("Of Many, One"), celebrating plurality, not theocracy."

Interesting that this was something they came up with under McCarthyism. Thanks for that bit of info. This country has seen a bit of that same mentality since the WTC attacks. I often wonder how history will judge the people running this country during these strange times.

[Labret] · 06-26-2002, 09:28 PM

Uhm, its been this way since the country started.

We have alot less now than we had 30 years ago.

And to tell you the truth, I dont give a rats ass if they keep the pledge of allegiance the same.

I said it for how many years in school, and it didnt have some sort of mesmerising christian effect on me. Obviously.

To deny that this country was founded as a christian nation is foolish. I just see it as history and put it in its historical context.

You are getting to bent out of shape. Its not like this is the first step and next thing you know you will be praying in class.

drunkmonkey · 06-26-2002, 09:31 PM

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Originally posted by [Labret]
Uhm, its been this way since the country started.

We have alot less now than we had 30 years ago.

And to tell you the truth, I dont give a rats ass if they keep the pledge of allegiance the same.

I said it for how many years in school, and it didnt have some sort of mesmerising christian effect on me. Obviously.

To deny that this country was founded as a christian nation is foolish. I just see it as history and put it in its historical context.

You are getting to bent out of shape. Its not like this is the first step and next thing you know you will be praying in class.

I agree with this post

[Labret] · 06-26-2002, 09:35 PM

All this is is political correctness run amok on the other side of the fence.

It like calling people "mailpersons" instead of mailman, and making the bible less gender specific.

Gaaaaay. Dont you people have anything better to do?

drunkmonkey · 06-26-2002, 09:38 PM

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Originally posted by [Labret]
Dont you people have anything better to do?

What could be better than posting on GFY and solving the world problems?

bhutocracy · 06-26-2002, 09:42 PM

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Originally posted by drunkmonkey

So your definition of religion is a belief in life after death? Then no, I am not religious. I have no evidence of an afterlife and therefore cannot believe in it.

Have you seen that movie "Vanella Sky"? Crazy ass movie but good concept. It just popped in my head with all of this afterlife talk. I hate Tom Cruise, btw. Guess what role he plays in the movie? If you said spoiled rich kid then you win the tea set on the top shelf

no thats not my definition and I almost said as much.. knowing that someone would purposely read what isn't said into the statement instead of what was actually said

that is my definition handcrafted for you... basically what it would take you to say for me to understand where you stand.

I also hate tom cruise.. he's almost unwatchable.. I want to see minority report.. but he's in it..
i didn't see vanilla sky for almost the same reason.

[Labret] · 06-26-2002, 09:42 PM

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Originally posted by drunkmonkey

What could be better than posting on GFY and solving the world problems?

True, those high and mighty think tanks in DC could learn a lesson or two from GFY.

Brown Bear · 06-26-2002, 09:52 PM

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Originally posted by [Labret]
All this is is political correctness run amok on the other side of the fence.

It like calling people "mailpersons" instead of mailman, and making the bible less gender specific.

Gaaaaay. Dont you people have anything better to do?

Don't you have anything to do? Why do you keep reading this thread?

drunkmonkey · 06-26-2002, 09:54 PM

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Originally posted by bhutocracy

no thats not my definition and I almost said as much.. knowing that someone would purposely read what isn't said into the statement instead of what was actually said
that is my definition handcrafted for you... basically what it would take you to say for me to understand where you stand.

I also hate tom cruise.. he's almost unwatchable.. I want to see minority report.. but he's in it..
i didn't see vanilla sky for almost the same reason.

I really was trying to answer you to the best of my understanding. I was not trying to twist your words or anything. I guess that it goes to show that religion is a very hard word to define from person to person. No, I am not religious in the spiritual sense. My only belief in life is that fact will always win against theory. Knowledge will prevail.

I have got to see minority report (even though it has Tom Cruise

in it). I love Speilburg and I also love time travel theory. Put the two together (along with a blunt

and it is bound to be good. Vanella Sky was pretty decent. a tad bit slow but okay.

drunkmonkey · 06-26-2002, 09:56 PM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

True, those high and mighty think tanks in DC could learn a lesson or two from GFY.

I think we should start a coupe. I want to be dictator. My slogan will be "Porn in every oven"

[Labret] · 06-26-2002, 09:58 PM

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Originally posted by Brown Bear

Don't you have anything to do? Why do you keep reading this thread?

Cause its like watching a car accident and I just cant turn away.

bhutocracy · 06-26-2002, 10:02 PM

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Originally posted by [Labret]
[B]
It like calling people "mailpersons" instead of mailman, and making the bible less gender specific.
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whoah there.. I think it's quite a bit different from that.. especially making the bible less gender specific.. LOL.. what a cack.
using the word "god" and religion in supposedly secular institutions is government sanctioned religious indoctrination.. sure like you said it's not going to get people on their knees praying through a "slippery slope" effect.. but it has no place. even the constitution says so.
The way to describe someone's job in gender terms doesn't endorse or imply how they should do that job. Calling a female "mailperson" a "mailman" doesn't insinuate that in an ideal and right situtation she should have to walk like she has balls.

And anyone that want to change the bible any further needs to be slapped... it's hard enough try to find what they've taken out and re-worded.

Brown Bear · 06-26-2002, 10:11 PM

Here is a question I'm wondering about:

If the original pledge of allegiance was "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

and in 1954 they added "under god"

What was the purpose of changing the original pledge to add "under god"?

drunkmonkey · 06-26-2002, 10:15 PM

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Originally posted by bhutocracy

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using the word "god" and religion in supposedly secular institutions is government sanctioned religious indoctrination.. sure like you said it's not going to get people on their knees praying through a "slippery slope" effect.. but it has no place. even the constitution says so.
The way to describe someone's job in gender terms doesn't endorse or imply how they should do that job. Calling a female "mailperson" a "mailman" doesn't insinuate that in an ideal and right situtation she should have to walk like she has balls.

It is all about semantics. If the term "god" does not mean religion to me but it does to you, who is right and who is wrong? There is no right and there is no wrong (i am a firm believer in this, btw). Either way it goes is fine by me.

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Originally posted by bhutocracy

And anyone that want to change the bible any further needs to be slapped... it's hard enough try to find what they've taken out and re-worded.

whole new can of worms here (I hope dude enjoys his DVD)! It actually is not very hard to find out what has been taken out and re-worded. Look at the Hebrew of the Old Testament today and the earliest version known (I think the Dead Sea Scrolls) and they are damn near identical! Amazing considering all of the time and attempts at destroying the Bible throughout history.

I am drunk off my ass right now, I make my money from pornography, and I have no morals: I am not religious, just stating facts

drunkmonkey · 06-26-2002, 10:18 PM

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Originally posted by Brown Bear
Here is a question I'm wondering about:

If the original pledge of allegiance was "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

and in 1954 they added "under god"

What was the purpose of changing the original pledge to add "under god"?

Good question. I have often wondered what place the god references have in the pledge and on the dollar. I guess they were trying to instill some kind of spiritual morals in the people after the horrors of WWII.

drunkmonkey · 06-26-2002, 10:19 PM

It has also puzzled me as to why the courts have people swear on the bible to "tell the whole truth"

Mr.Fiction · 06-26-2002, 10:22 PM

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Originally posted by Brown Bear
Here is a question I'm wondering about:

If the original pledge of allegiance was "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

and in 1954 they added "under god"

What was the purpose of changing the original pledge to add "under god"?

One article I read tonight basically said that it was done to root out the communists. If you refused to say the "under god" part, then you were a communist and you should be watched by the government. Interesting how this country sometimes seems to be moving in a circle.

daisy diaz · 06-26-2002, 10:25 PM

Oh well back to the old days!
throw daggers at each other ..cause the rest of the world got boring again! the wars, the conflicts, the kidnappings, the games, the fires, the murders all of it...a "word" should stop this country on dime when nothing else is happening!
I certainly think the kids on my street will feel a world of worry off there shoulders now that the "under god" statement may be gone from there daily routine!
oh wait ...nevermind that is the parents protecting their children from having to worry about that feeling! whew..thought the kids might have had to deal with what is being presented as "a issue forced on them" another close call...quickly averted for our own safety!
G'nite and yep God(insert who you want) bless America..and every other town, city, country, and continent on this big old world of ours that we share ! As long we get to wake up Im happy!

bhutocracy · 06-26-2002, 10:26 PM

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Originally posted by drunkmonkey

whole new can of worms here (I hope dude enjoys his DVD)! It actually is not very hard to find out what has been taken out and re-worded. Look at the Hebrew of the Old Testament today and the earliest version known (I think the Dead Sea Scrolls) and they are damn near identical! Amazing considering all of the time and attempts at destroying the Bible throughout history.

I am drunk off my ass right now, I make my money from pornography, and I have no morals: I am not religious, just stating facts

it depends how far you go.. you can find that stuff and of course translations of the Greek stuff.. but im talking about lost books and all that... I guess you veer dangerously into conspiracy land when getting into such things but it's no secret that the church of the day omitted parts here and there.. and also the fact that without the internet it would be pretty hard to even find translations somewhat available... diluting it further with "dude, where's my cross?" versions of the bible to make it palatable to youngsters or whatever just further obfuscates and re-interprets crucial parts.... look at Marian worship.. it's fucking huge. would it have happened if she was a "young woman" and not a "virgin" one like some scholars believe?

Brown Bear · 06-26-2002, 10:26 PM

Here is what I read as it was reported by the Associated Press:

Congress inserted "under God" at the height of the Cold War after a campaign by the Knights of Columbus, religious leaders and others who wanted to distinguish the United States from what they regarded as godless communism.

bhutocracy · 06-26-2002, 10:30 PM

it should be "under Fnord".

[Labret] · 06-26-2002, 10:33 PM

Brown Bear, are you circumcized?

Have you entered into that covenant with God?

Brown Bear · 06-26-2002, 10:34 PM

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Originally posted by [Labret]
Brown Bear, are you circumcized?

Have you entered into that covenant with God?

huh? is that a rhetorical question?

drunkmonkey · 06-26-2002, 10:35 PM

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Originally posted by bhutocracy

it depends how far you go.. you can find that stuff and of course translations of the Greek stuff.. but im talking about lost books and all that... I guess you veer dangerously into conspiracy land when getting into such things but it's no secret that the church of the day omitted parts here and there.. and also the fact that without the internet it would be pretty hard to even find translations somewhat available... diluting it further with "dude, where's my cross?" versions of the bible to make it palatable to youngsters or whatever just further obfuscates and re-interprets crucial parts.... look at Marian worship.. it's fucking huge. would it have happened if she was a "young woman" and not a "virgin" one like some scholars believe?

There are many, many, many, translations of the Bible and many, many, many, versions. There are also many, many, many translations of "The Illiad" and "The Art of War" and many, many, versions of each.

The Catholic church has added stuff to their version of the Bible. The Jehovah Witnesses have done the same. Hell, the mormans created their own Jesus here in North America and wrote a book about it. This all goes back to the knowledge which I am a zealot for: all of these are knock-offs of the original which is still the same and documented. The same cannot be said of the "Illiad" or "The Art of War". The bible is an amazing book in the fact that it has remained intact in spite of all the attempts to destroy it.

FierceHost · 06-26-2002, 10:41 PM

arn't we all happy we actually have court? and not just some dude who decides if you lose your head or not?

Brown Bear · 06-26-2002, 10:42 PM

It seems to me that religious groups used the hysteria of communism and the cold war to sneak this into the pledge of allegiance.

Now that its in, people are used to it, but it has no reason for being in there. It wasn't originally in there, so why keep it?

I say the government should just go back to saying the original pledge of allegiance without the "under god" part.

[Labret] · 06-26-2002, 10:43 PM

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Originally posted by Brown Bear

huh? is that a rhetorical question?

uhm, you do know where circumcision came from yes?

Paul Markham · 06-26-2002, 10:44 PM

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Originally posted by drunkmonkey

Having the choice to not believe is valuable to you I would assume.

Yes it's called freedom.

Brown Bear · 06-26-2002, 10:48 PM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

uhm, you do know where circumcision came from yes?

What is your point?

Kimmykim · 06-26-2002, 10:56 PM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

There is no use arguing with people who get their opinions from talk radio.

Yikes, I hope they're at least listening to Stern and not Rush ;)

[Labret] · 06-26-2002, 11:02 PM

I am burning all my money because it says "In God We Trust" on it. I wont support this christian puppet regime brainwashing me and my children.

[Labret] · 06-26-2002, 11:03 PM

Not that I would ever have children. I would rather have cancer.

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Brown Bear Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,982	Here is a question I'm wondering about: If the original pledge of allegiance was "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." and in 1954 they added "under god" What was the purpose of changing the original pledge to add "under god"? __________________ Surrender all your independent thinking and Click Here for re-programming.

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bhutocracy Not making A Comeback Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 10,218	besides god IS a very definable character.. even if you don't believe in it. you know full well they mean the one that rained fire and brimstone down on sodom and gomorrah. the one that goes around flooding places.

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bhutocracy Not making A Comeback Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 10,218	I wouldn't advocate a world without religion. Just one where all beliefs/religions were equal. To me, I don't understand why, if you adhere to a certain religion you can't just get your fill at whatever church, synagogue, stone ruin you prefer and leave it out of the public courtrooms, cash and pledges... I wouldn't have thought it was too much to ask.. send your kids to religious schools where they pray 50 times a day.. just don't expect my tax dollars to subsidise it any more than i want to subsidise the radical muslim youth mosque

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[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	Uhm, its been this way since the country started. We have alot less now than we had 30 years ago. And to tell you the truth, I dont give a rats ass if they keep the pledge of allegiance the same. I said it for how many years in school, and it didnt have some sort of mesmerising christian effect on me. Obviously. To deny that this country was founded as a christian nation is foolish. I just see it as history and put it in its historical context. You are getting to bent out of shape. Its not like this is the first step and next thing you know you will be praying in class.

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[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	All this is is political correctness run amok on the other side of the fence. It like calling people "mailpersons" instead of mailman, and making the bible less gender specific. Gaaaaay. Dont you people have anything better to do?

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drunkmonkey Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: behind you Posts:1,075,324 Posts: 799	It has also puzzled me as to why the courts have people swear on the bible to "tell the whole truth"

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Brown Bear Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,982	Here is what I read as it was reported by the Associated Press: Congress inserted "under God" at the height of the Cold War after a campaign by the Knights of Columbus, religious leaders and others who wanted to distinguish the United States from what they regarded as godless communism. __________________ Surrender all your independent thinking and Click Here for re-programming.

06-26-2002, 10:30 PM	#89
bhutocracy Not making A Comeback Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 10,218	it should be "under Fnord".

06-26-2002, 10:33 PM	#90
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	Brown Bear, are you circumcized? Have you entered into that covenant with God?

06-26-2002, 10:41 PM	#93
FierceHost Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 424	arn't we all happy we actually have court? and not just some dude who decides if you lose your head or not? __________________ 250$ 1000GB / Mo - 2000mb space - 10 domains - .26 per gig overage <font color="#00FF00">ICQ 132871574</font>

06-26-2002, 10:42 PM	#94
Brown Bear Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,982	It seems to me that religious groups used the hysteria of communism and the cold war to sneak this into the pledge of allegiance. Now that its in, people are used to it, but it has no reason for being in there. It wasn't originally in there, so why keep it? I say the government should just go back to saying the original pledge of allegiance without the "under god" part. __________________ Surrender all your independent thinking and Click Here for re-programming.

06-26-2002, 11:02 PM	#99
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	I am burning all my money because it says "In God We Trust" on it. I wont support this christian puppet regime brainwashing me and my children.

06-26-2002, 11:03 PM	#100
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	Not that I would ever have children. I would rather have cancer.