Am i the only one who can't seem to convert cam sites. - GoFuckYourself.com

Dirty F · 09-24-2006, 03:59 AM

I'm sending blog traffic, free site traffic and member area traffic to a few cam sites and nothing...it's doing shit.

Is it my traffic or what?

Is anybody actually making good money off those sites?

Dirty F · 09-24-2006, 04:03 AM

TOTALS 30435 13235 31 1 $25.00 $0.00 20.0% $ 5.00

So 30k raws made me 5 bucks with cams.com

Wtf???

Dirty F · 09-24-2006, 04:03 AM

I think it's time to remove a few ads....

Klen · 09-24-2006, 04:04 AM

Well perhaps your visitors cannot afford to pay for cam access,since they are cost more then ordinary pay site.Also good old video porn can be much better then cam porn beacuse you will never know what you can see there.

Klen · 09-24-2006, 04:05 AM

Also you could try some other web cam sponsors until you conclude they all suck or not.

pr0 · 09-24-2006, 04:06 AM

work with people to optimize it

i make roughly $1.70 per click off seo traffic to cam sites

fuzzylogic · 09-24-2006, 04:07 AM

cam sites are a different game than porn sites. you can't expect to convert just by sending to join or main pages like we do with porn sites. It's not like that. I recommend talking to ur rep about where and how to send ur traffic.

i have been making my living for 3 years off cam sites

Brujah · 09-24-2006, 04:14 AM

I have cam domains for sale.

justsexxx · 09-24-2006, 04:18 AM

I suck at it as well. I tried a few cam sponsors....Made a lot of free joins, but no money....

Dirty F · 09-24-2006, 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justsexxx

I suck at it as well. I tried a few cam sponsors....Made a lot of free joins, but no money....

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Vite · 09-24-2006, 07:24 AM

Have you ever tried a different webcam sponsor?

lazycash · 09-24-2006, 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck

TOTALS 30435 13235 31 1 $25.00 $0.00 20.0% $ 5.00

So 30k raws made me 5 bucks with cams.com

Wtf???

Your first mistake was sending to cams.com, probably one of the worst $/unique of any of the cam sponsors. Trying sending to a free join program like ifriends, mtree, hsn or camazoncash and you'll see much better results.

lazycash · 09-24-2006, 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brujah

I have cam domains for sale.

Can you email me the list with pricing to webcams @ qwest.net

KingK7 · 09-24-2006, 07:34 AM

Yeah, I am pulling a few links from members areas myself.

fallenmuffin · 09-24-2006, 07:36 AM

Nope, its everyone lol i'm removing my ads today as well

Maxxx9000 · 09-24-2006, 07:41 AM

I'm getting one sale for every 40 members on Cams.com. It was way more last month though.. Not sure exactly what i'm doing right. But Cam sites totaly works for me. I'm making a whole lot more on cams than on Videos or images... My total this whole year at cams.com is 1 sale for every 24 members. It has been a really bad month though...

Antonio · 09-24-2006, 07:49 AM

cams, hardcore, softcore, whatever - this month suck dick for me, if it goes the same way the begining of the next month I'm going to take 10 days off and go on a fucking vacation, working and not making shit is no fun at all

Digipimp · 09-24-2006, 09:21 AM

cam sites convert shitty because the cam sites arent really that surfer friendly for the most part. no mention of prices half the time, girls dont speak english very well or care about the customer as they're on 10 different sites at the same time, some sites prices are too high, 4.99 a minute is ridiculous these days as well as being able to sign up with no credit card and sit in free videochats with hundreds of girls for an unlimited amount of time everyday for the rest of your life.

Dwreck · 09-26-2006, 12:30 PM

Im willing to sit down with you Franck and have Gunner and myself go over your sites and figure out the best plan.

How long have you been promoting webcams in general?

squishypimp · 09-26-2006, 12:45 PM

change sponsors, it should work then

Dirty F · 09-26-2006, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dwreck

Im willing to sit down with you Franck and have Gunner and myself go over your sites and figure out the best plan.

How long have you been promoting webcams in general?

Well thanks but thats not really worth my time. I rather just forget about it. I mean i have no problems selling other stuff so i dont see what i should suddenly concentrate on cams.

gfx3 · 09-26-2006, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck

TOTALS 30435 13235 31 1 $25.00 $0.00 20.0% $ 5.00

So 30k raws made me 5 bucks with cams.com

Wtf???

Hey Franck are you using just cams.com?

Huggles · 09-26-2006, 01:00 PM

Franck, GTS has secretly targetted you and you are being shaved!

Once I remember I stole a spring roll from Mark's plate in the Mandalay bay buffet, 2 days later at home 3 black helicopters buzzed my house!

Dirty F · 09-26-2006, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by squishypimp

change sponsors, it should work then

Fucking idiot. You have no clue whatsoever about anything sponsor related. Please shut the fuck up stupid surfer.

gfx3 · 09-26-2006, 01:03 PM

Franck put on your icq majin kintaro that's you isn't it?

Dirty F · 09-26-2006, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gfx3

Franck put on your icq majin kintaro that's you isn't it?

Thats me. But dont bother hitting me up. Im not interested in another sponsor.

dissipate · 09-26-2006, 01:05 PM

I wont touch cam sites with a 10 foot pole - fuckers never convert for me.

Bossman · 09-26-2006, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck

TOTALS 30435 13235 31 1 $25.00 $0.00 20.0% $ 5.00

So 30k raws made me 5 bucks with cams.com

Wtf???

Our traffic gets 1 free member per 14-16 uniques, and your traffic is 1 free member per 426 uniques... doesn´t look good!

Your free member to sale ratio looks below average - could be better...

We are sending typin, se and free site (text link) traffic.

tranza · 09-26-2006, 01:06 PM

Overall conversion for me is around 1:3,000

Cams suck for me too.

Huggles · 09-26-2006, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck

Thats me. But dont bother hitting me up. Im not interested in another sponsor.

YOUHAVESALES.COM

Yes, yes you are Franck.... yeeeeessss...

DutchTeenCash · 09-26-2006, 01:08 PM

conversions arent amazing

but still im pushing some 40X traffic to AFF and getting nice results

Huggles · 09-26-2006, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranza

Overall conversion for me is around 1:3,000

Cams suck for me too.

That looks like my stats remote from monday and Today

Nothing like 600k uniques in traffic and shitty sales days!

gfx3 · 09-26-2006, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck

Thats me. But dont bother hitting me up. Im not interested in another sponsor.

It's not about the sponsor (yes I would have suggested you a different one) but it's also about the tools + the way you are marketing the cams. Perhaps you just need to look for a new angle

Dirty F · 09-26-2006, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gfx3

It's not about the sponsor (yes I would have suggested you a different one) but it's also about the tools + the way you are marketing the cams. Perhaps you just need to look for a new angle

I'm gonna pull all links today. Thanks anyway.

uno · 09-26-2006, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huggles

Franck, GTS has secretly targetted you and you are being shaved!

Once I remember I stole a spring roll from Mark's plate in the Mandalay bay buffet, 2 days later at home 3 black helicopters buzzed my house!

So I'm not the only one?

TheSenator · 09-26-2006, 01:45 PM

Best thing to do is admit your traffic is not converting into paying webcam customers.

I usually let my traffic go for about 4 to 6 months until I start making some real cash, if not I switch out programs.

I have been lucky with the "webcam" niche for years. I know exactly what they are looking for and how to make them pay for it. I have many accounts spread out over multiple webcam affiliates and rotate them out all year long.

sandman! · 09-26-2006, 02:13 PM

i will buy all your cam traffic if you want to sell it

John Marco · 09-30-2006, 07:15 PM

you have to promote the sites much differently than you would regular paysites. The affiliates who do the best are those that make their own custom pages and just link to join forms.. it takes a lot more effort than just linking straight to a paysite tour that sells itself a bit more

SomeCreep · 09-30-2006, 07:57 PM

Of all the cam programs I promote, I only have 1 that does well consistently.

Fizzgig · 09-30-2006, 07:58 PM

I never had any luck, but it seems like they would convert the best since cams are one of the most popular items in paysite member areas.

BSleazy · 09-30-2006, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck

I'm sending blog traffic, free site traffic and member area traffic to a few cam sites and nothing...it's doing shit.

Is it my traffic or what?

Is anybody actually making good money off those sites?

Free search engine traffic looking for cams, converts great...although I haven't had it in a while.

Anyone with a little money to throw at a few things can easily get it. I should consult. I know everything

but my monster debt and child support leaves me with nothing.

BSleazy · 09-30-2006, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Marco

you have to promote the sites much differently than you would regular paysites. The affiliates who do the best are those that make their own custom pages and just link to join forms.. it takes a lot more effort than just linking straight to a paysite tour that sells itself a bit more

He's right on that. Join forms seem to work the best especially for cam sites that have free or $1 lifetime joins with cc. Webcams.com converts good though for 4.99. But you can't throw general traffic at this. Has to be people looking for cams. "cams" isn't the keyword(s) you want to target either.

tony286 · 09-30-2006, 08:14 PM

dont feel bad your not alone got a great domain chubbycams.com and it did squat. We tried ifriends for awhile and not much now its for my wife on camz and we still dont get much.

TheJimmy · 09-30-2006, 08:25 PM

I do 1:100 to 1:500 at worst, when it goes over that I get a bit tripped out.

Hit me up if you want any tips on the promo's you're using, also depends on the source of traffic of course...

RawAlex · 09-30-2006, 09:32 PM

Okay, here is the deal (as far as I can tell); If you are marketing to used porn surfers (TGP traffic, link list traffic, etc) you are pretty much screwed. By the time the surfer gets to you, he has already seen X number of cam and dating site links. Basically he is already bored of those things and doesn't want it.

It you are marketing UP the chain a bit (even at the TGP or link site level) you have a little bit more chance.

if you are marketing UP the chain further (direct SE traffic, targetted trades, non-porn entertainment sites) then you are likely doing much better.

Oh, and if you are trying to get into it now, you are too late... Once someone signs up once, they are someone else's client for life (and the cam system's if they paid flat rate once). Basically, if you are sending high volumes of the lowest end traffic, you are someone else's traffic bitch, and you won't make a penny.

(note, my same opinion applied to poker and dating sites... if you are late to the game, you are someone else's bitch making no money and giving your traffic away).

Kevsh · 09-30-2006, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck

Well thanks but thats not really worth my time. I rather just forget about it. I mean i have no problems selling other stuff so i dont see what i should suddenly concentrate on cams.

Don't let your bad experience to date deter you, blog/member area traffic is hard to convert - ideally, you need quality seo traffic but if that's not doable try converting niche traffic to niche cam sites/sections. Most programs have promo materials for the major niches and/or let you link directly to profiles in that niche.

As far as motivation, think of 20% lifetime revshare (about standard) and customers dropping up to $100 at a time. Lots of customers go on a binge and drop a few hundred dollars a day. Try making that with pay sites!

Not every customer of course is a whale, but I've had one for example 2 1/2 years running on one cam site. I'd estimate he's made me $3000+ alone. How many joins and rebills would you have to get to come close to that? Again, not everyone is like him, but you do get "medium fish" fairly often who drop a few hundred before they quit/go somewhere else.

The money is there, you just have to stick with it and work until you find the right fit.

Solid Bob · 10-01-2006, 05:16 PM

Franck, if you want to give cams a try again drop me an email sometime. The promo is usually done a bit different, some sponsors are better than others, etc.

SolidScripting · 10-02-2006, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Solid Bob

Franck, if you want to give cams a try again drop me an email sometime. The promo is usually done a bit different, some sponsors are better than others, etc.

I'm sure I'll seem biased here, but Bob does know how to convert some cams.

Hit him up if you still want to tap that income.

sicone · 10-02-2006, 11:55 AM

I have never had much luck with cams or dating sites

BigCashCrew · 10-02-2006, 12:06 PM

Franck, I'm not sure how you are promoting but keep in mind, if it is revshare give it some time. Over time your free users will come back and spend money. It will start adding up if you stick with it. Also look at how you are marketing it. I can give you some free chat credits to my sites so you can get into the mind set of a webcam surfer.

09-24-2006, 03:59 AM	#1
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	Am i the only one who can't seem to convert cam sites. I'm sending blog traffic, free site traffic and member area traffic to a few cam sites and nothing...it's doing shit. Is it my traffic or what? Is anybody actually making good money off those sites?

09-24-2006, 04:06 AM	#6
pr0 rockin tha trailerpark Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: ~Coastal~ Posts: 23,088	work with people to optimize it i make roughly $1.70 per click off seo traffic to cam sites __________________ __________ Loadedca$h - get sum! - Revengebucks - mmm rebills! - webair (gotz sErVrz)

09-24-2006, 04:14 AM	#8
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	I have cam domains for sale. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

09-24-2006, 04:18 AM	#9
justsexxx Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 13,723	I suck at it as well. I tried a few cam sponsors....Made a lot of free joins, but no money.... __________________ Questions? ICQ: 125184542

09-24-2006, 07:24 AM	#11
Vite Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: PANAMA Posts: 278	Have you ever tried a different webcam sponsor? __________________

09-24-2006, 04:03 AM	#2
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	TOTALS 30435 13235 31 1 $25.00 $0.00 20.0% $ 5.00 So 30k raws made me 5 bucks with cams.com Wtf???

09-24-2006, 04:04 AM	#4
Klen Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Little Vienna Posts: 32,235	Well perhaps your visitors cannot afford to pay for cam access,since they are cost more then ordinary pay site.Also good old video porn can be much better then cam porn beacuse you will never know what you can see there.

09-24-2006, 04:05 AM	#5
Klen Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Little Vienna Posts: 32,235	Also you could try some other web cam sponsors until you conclude they all suck or not.

09-24-2006, 04:07 AM	#7
fuzzylogic Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: buffalo, las vegas. icq: 285808879 Posts: 4,796	cam sites are a different game than porn sites. you can't expect to convert just by sending to join or main pages like we do with porn sites. It's not like that. I recommend talking to ur rep about where and how to send ur traffic. i have been making my living for 3 years off cam sites

09-24-2006, 07:34 AM	#14
KingK7 Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 6,372	Yeah, I am pulling a few links from members areas myself.

09-24-2006, 07:36 AM	#15
fallenmuffin Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 8,170	Nope, its everyone lol i'm removing my ads today as well

09-24-2006, 07:41 AM	#16
Maxxx9000 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 1,082	I'm getting one sale for every 40 members on Cams.com. It was way more last month though.. Not sure exactly what i'm doing right. But Cam sites totaly works for me. I'm making a whole lot more on cams than on Videos or images... My total this whole year at cams.com is 1 sale for every 24 members. It has been a really bad month though... __________________ Cams.com paid for my car - Love you guys

09-24-2006, 07:49 AM	#17
Antonio Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Spartaaaaaaaaa Posts: 14,136	cams, hardcore, softcore, whatever - this month suck dick for me, if it goes the same way the begining of the next month I'm going to take 10 days off and go on a fucking vacation, working and not making shit is no fun at all

09-24-2006, 09:21 AM	#18
Digipimp BP4L OT DL Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BP4L Swap Meet Posts: 13,481	cam sites convert shitty because the cam sites arent really that surfer friendly for the most part. no mention of prices half the time, girls dont speak english very well or care about the customer as they're on 10 different sites at the same time, some sites prices are too high, 4.99 a minute is ridiculous these days as well as being able to sign up with no credit card and sit in free videochats with hundreds of girls for an unlimited amount of time everyday for the rest of your life. __________________ Still Hosting at Webair and You Should Be Too

09-26-2006, 12:30 PM	#19
Dwreck Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 7,362	Im willing to sit down with you Franck and have Gunner and myself go over your sites and figure out the best plan. How long have you been promoting webcams in general? __________________ Derek Dwreck Smout Program Manager Icq 165976549 Skype derekthomassmout

09-26-2006, 12:45 PM	#20
squishypimp PostMaster General Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 10,781	change sponsors, it should work then __________________ Signature For Sale

09-26-2006, 01:00 PM	#23
Huggles GFY'S #1 retard Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Kelowna Posts: 11,128	Franck, GTS has secretly targetted you and you are being shaved! Once I remember I stole a spring roll from Mark's plate in the Mandalay bay buffet, 2 days later at home 3 black helicopters buzzed my house! __________________ https://3-veo.com/ The best AI video maker portal.

09-26-2006, 01:03 PM	#25
gfx3 Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,685	Franck put on your icq majin kintaro that's you isn't it? __________________

09-26-2006, 01:05 PM	#27
dissipate The Dirty Frenchman Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Lost Angeles Posts: 8,904	I wont touch cam sites with a 10 foot pole - fuckers never convert for me.

09-26-2006, 01:06 PM	#29
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	Overall conversion for me is around 1:3,000 Cams suck for me too. __________________ I'm just a newbie.

09-26-2006, 01:08 PM	#31
DutchTeenCash I like Dutch Girls Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: dutchteencash.com Posts: 21,684	conversions arent amazing but still im pushing some 40X traffic to AFF and getting nice results __________________ ICQ 16 91 547 - SKYPE dutchteencash bob AT dutchteencash DOT com ... did you see our newest Sweet Natural Girl Priscilla (18)?

09-26-2006, 01:45 PM	#36
TheSenator Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 13,336	Best thing to do is admit your traffic is not converting into paying webcam customers. I usually let my traffic go for about 4 to 6 months until I start making some real cash, if not I switch out programs. I have been lucky with the "webcam" niche for years. I know exactly what they are looking for and how to make them pay for it. I have many accounts spread out over multiple webcam affiliates and rotate them out all year long. __________________ ISeekGirls.com since 2005

09-26-2006, 02:13 PM	#37
sandman! Icq: 14420613 Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: chicago Posts: 15,432	i will buy all your cam traffic if you want to sell it __________________ Need WebHosting ? Email me for some great deals [email protected]

09-30-2006, 07:15 PM	#38
John Marco Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 912	you have to promote the sites much differently than you would regular paysites. The affiliates who do the best are those that make their own custom pages and just link to join forms.. it takes a lot more effort than just linking straight to a paysite tour that sells itself a bit more __________________ WEBCAMS.COM $42+ PPS or revshare ICQ: 476-111 Google Talk: Webcams.com

09-30-2006, 07:57 PM	#39
SomeCreep :glugglug Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where the Wild Things Are Posts: 26,118	Of all the cam programs I promote, I only have 1 that does well consistently. __________________ Webair Hosting I use and recommend Webair for hosting.

09-30-2006, 07:58 PM	#40
Fizzgig Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: In Your Dreams Posts: 9,649	I never had any luck, but it seems like they would convert the best since cams are one of the most popular items in paysite member areas. __________________ ---'-,-{@ Sassy Grrrl @}-'-,---

09-30-2006, 08:14 PM	#43
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	dont feel bad your not alone got a great domain chubbycams.com and it did squat. We tried ifriends for awhile and not much now its for my wife on camz and we still dont get much.

09-30-2006, 08:25 PM	#44
TheJimmy ICQ- five seven 0 2 5 5 0 Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 10,747	I do 1:100 to 1:500 at worst, when it goes over that I get a bit tripped out. Hit me up if you want any tips on the promo's you're using, also depends on the source of traffic of course... __________________ Investor with 5m - 15m USD to invest. Do you have a site or network of sites earning 50k - 200k a month income? Email your contact and preliminary data to: domain.cashventures (at) gmail.com....Please...no tire kickers...serious offers and inquiries only.

09-30-2006, 09:32 PM	#45
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	Okay, here is the deal (as far as I can tell); If you are marketing to used porn surfers (TGP traffic, link list traffic, etc) you are pretty much screwed. By the time the surfer gets to you, he has already seen X number of cam and dating site links. Basically he is already bored of those things and doesn't want it. It you are marketing UP the chain a bit (even at the TGP or link site level) you have a little bit more chance. if you are marketing UP the chain further (direct SE traffic, targetted trades, non-porn entertainment sites) then you are likely doing much better. Oh, and if you are trying to get into it now, you are too late... Once someone signs up once, they are someone else's client for life (and the cam system's if they paid flat rate once). Basically, if you are sending high volumes of the lowest end traffic, you are someone else's traffic bitch, and you won't make a penny. (note, my same opinion applied to poker and dating sites... if you are late to the game, you are someone else's bitch making no money and giving your traffic away).

10-01-2006, 05:16 PM	#47
Solid Bob Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Easy Webcam Pro Posts: 1,213	Franck, if you want to give cams a try again drop me an email sometime. The promo is usually done a bit different, some sponsors are better than others, etc. __________________ [email protected]

10-02-2006, 11:55 AM	#49
sicone Retired Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Sac Posts: 18,453	I have never had much luck with cams or dating sites __________________

10-02-2006, 12:06 PM	#50
BigCashCrew Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,570	Franck, I'm not sure how you are promoting but keep in mind, if it is revshare give it some time. Over time your free users will come back and spend money. It will start adding up if you stick with it. Also look at how you are marketing it. I can give you some free chat credits to my sites so you can get into the mind set of a webcam surfer.