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Dirty F 09-24-2006 05:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gillespie
Big Tit Update

I purchased 1000 more hits from Traffic Holder yesterday. They delivered 1105 hits in just 6 hours.

Here are the stats:

http://www.aeroforo.com/gfy/trafficbigtits2.jpg

As you can see, now it does add up to 2000 and more, so the discrepacy is now fixed. I have to attribute this to my server's software. I went back to check the times when the last hits were delivered and it seems like they finished at 5am. Giving the server's software 6 hours to update the stats is not enough (I posted this thread a little past 11am).

Nasty Dollars reports just 2 second pages out of these 1000 hits.

However, I was very dissapointed when I started checking the referrers. I landed on http://freetitsvid.com/ and to my surprise, upon clicking one of the thumbs, I got my browser automatically minimized and this showing:

http://pichostwizard.com/imgt/280856.jpg

When I opened the browser again, I saw this:

http://pichostwizard.com/imgt/280857.jpg

I didn't take a screenshot, but when I closed that window, I got the same popup as in the first screen.

I clicked on two or three more thumbs in that site, all with the same results. Furthermore, my keyboard layout was all fucked up after this and I had to close and open the browser to get it fixed.

No wonder why this traffic isn't even reaching the second page; they're being sent all over the place!

My 1000-hit lesbian campaign is still running, but Sapphic reports 9 raw and 7 uniques up to this moment.

Man, seriously, stop buying traffic and put your effort and money in other stuff. Build a few sites, start trading, add links etc. You simply are wasting time and money on shitty scammy traffic that wont do shit anyway.

Gillespie 09-24-2006 05:31 AM
Franck, I know I should stop buying traffic. I made a mistake though, and I purchased 50 bucks of it upfront. I have to use all that money somehow.

Dirty F 09-24-2006 05:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gillespie
Franck, I know I should stop buying traffic. I made a mistake though, and I purchased 50 bucks of it upfront. I have to use all that money somehow.
Ah like that. Well send it to me so you can move on to more important stuff :thumbsup

Gillespie 09-24-2006 05:37 AM
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

sparkyone 09-25-2006 03:13 PM
Fuckin A .... Thanks now I know not to waste my newb money.... Good read!:thumbsup

fuzebox 09-25-2006 04:34 PM
So what exactly are these "tests" supposed to show? I'm personally happy with a 5% clickthrough ratio, and 2% seems to be the standard... On an FHG it will usually be lower, most sponsors have pretty bad templates IMO.

So... clicks out to galleries (your tgp/trade script should have these stats) * 0.02, and that'd be a good number to show up in your sponsor stats. Do you see now why people are saying that testing 1000 hits at a time is a waste of your time?

Gillespie 09-26-2006 02:03 AM
I was testing "click accounting", since I felt that there was something in the chain that was not going right. Later in this thread, I learned that they only count second pages, which makes absolutely no sense to me since you can't measure the productivity without going through something like this every single time for every single sponsor.

You can measure second page - sign up productivity, but I think that the traffic you send should be accounted since it helps the webmaster know a lot more about the his traffic and the effectivity of the program.

I have one sponsor in CCBill that only shows me the raw clicks, which is useless information when taken out of context like that. Sure, I get accounted for the sales, but I have no clue about the uniques, second page, etc.

To get the full picture both parties need as many statistics as possible.

Gillespie 09-26-2006 02:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sparkyone
Fuckin A .... Thanks now I know not to waste my newb money.... Good read!:thumbsup
I did not mean to imply that traffic selling is not productive in any way. I haven't tested this, but I think that if what you're pushing costs money incoming traffic, it's not going to work out. In fact, I believe that purchased traffic can do great with "enter your email for your free membership" kind of thing. I will also try this out during the week or weekend and see how it goes.

Purchasing traffic to get conversions on a TGP *usually* is a waste of money, considering the traffic is coming from a web of TGPs. If he didn't buy over there, why would he buy yours? Sure, if you play your cards correctly you might get a sale or two, but I don't know exactly how to do this yet. I read another thread where someone was complaining that he purchased 25 dollars worth of traffic and only made one 100 dollar sale. For me, that moneyspent:moneyearned ratio is absolutely amazing. He didn't think so.

starpimps 09-26-2006 08:49 PM
i guess it was a good read...
but next time try making a 10k+ test. 1k of bought traffic is worth like 100 or less se traffic, ive had 200k hits(not bought) to one of my galleries of new content and didnt get one sale plenty a times. Your next 50 bucks imo should be going to maybe getting your site on some high pr links, but thats just me.

Im in the same boat as you, im brand new to the adult biz but thankfully i have one friend who helps me out when i need it :winkwink:

darnit 09-26-2006 09:49 PM
Bump because business threads are getting scarce.

First off let me agree w/others in this thread that the numbers you are playing with are too small to draw conclusions.

Second - I think as a newb to the business you are doing something VERY right. You are methodically testing, tweaking and most importantly getting to understand the numbers.

You will soon find that you are swimming upstream sending purchased traffic to sponsors, the reason its so cheap is because - well - quite honestly its not really worth anything execept growing trades.

Might i suggest giving your affinity with testing and tracking that you purchase SE traffic and send those pages to high converting landing pages. do *NOT* send that traffic to tgps or FHG's. Your skill sets bode well to making a killing with targeted traffic. It takes an analyitical approach.

You WILL loose some money in the begining so start small, but as you learn the ropes and develop some intuition you are well positioned to make some serious coin.

Dont even fuck around w/tgps imho. Its a volume game. You arent dealing in volume and the variables with targeted SE traffic are much easier to quantify than your current approach to the industry.

Good luck and welcome to the game. :upsidedow

BusterBunny 09-26-2006 09:53 PM
50
 
my study says you have been wojed:pimp

4Pics 09-26-2006 11:03 PM
The reason for the 2nd page or join page counts is because too many people care about what conversion ratio they have instead of how much $$$ they make.

Gillespie 09-27-2006 01:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by darnit
Bump because business threads are getting scarce.

First off let me agree w/others in this thread that the numbers you are playing with are too small to draw conclusions.

Second - I think as a newb to the business you are doing something VERY right. You are methodically testing, tweaking and most importantly getting to understand the numbers.

You will soon find that you are swimming upstream sending purchased traffic to sponsors, the reason its so cheap is because - well - quite honestly its not really worth anything execept growing trades.

Might i suggest giving your affinity with testing and tracking that you purchase SE traffic and send those pages to high converting landing pages. do *NOT* send that traffic to tgps or FHG's. Your skill sets bode well to making a killing with targeted traffic. It takes an analyitical approach.

You WILL loose some money in the begining so start small, but as you learn the ropes and develop some intuition you are well positioned to make some serious coin.

Dont even fuck around w/tgps imho. Its a volume game. You arent dealing in volume and the variables with targeted SE traffic are much easier to quantify than your current approach to the industry.

Good luck and welcome to the game. :upsidedow
Great answer! Thanks!

By purchasing SE traffic you mean buy top results for specific keywords? Isn't that a little too expensive for a noob? I made some calculations with Yahoo a while ago and it came out to burning $50 every day or so.

I'm ranking failry good in Google for specific solo girl keywords and it sends me like 200 people a day, but so far I've made little money off it, even though I do everything manually. Hell, it takes me 30-45 minutes to write up a single post.

Gillespie 09-27-2006 01:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by starpimps
i guess it was a good read...
but next time try making a 10k+ test. 1k of bought traffic is worth like 100 or less se traffic, ive had 200k hits(not bought) to one of my galleries of new content and didnt get one sale plenty a times. Your next 50 bucks imo should be going to maybe getting your site on some high pr links, but thats just me.

Im in the same boat as you, im brand new to the adult biz but thankfully i have one friend who helps me out when i need it :winkwink:
10K is practically USD 50, for HQ traffic. I think it's too risky to do that considering there are plenty of cases like yours, where you don't convert at all. Unless you can make like five sales in the next 10K purchase, you're losing money and bandwidth.

Gillespie 09-27-2006 01:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 4Pics
The reason for the 2nd page or join page counts is because too many people care about what conversion ratio they have instead of how much $$$ they make.
Well, knowing the hit:secondpage ratio would be useful too. In fact, any information you can get is useful.

eurabia 09-28-2006 01:46 AM
These fucking IDIOTS will tell you that you didn't buy enough to get a meaningful result. Plow in another $100 and get 0 sales. Sounds good?

The truth is that this traffic is not gonna produce sales. Its purpose is solely to be crapfed to your "trade partners" who will hopefully send you back traffic which is gonna buy. It exposes the moral problem of traffic trading. Everybody is trying to fuck over his "partner" with crap traffic and hoping to get good traffic back. It's a fucked up game. This traffic is basically for trading (cheating) your trade partners.

PimpDaddyPants 09-28-2006 02:17 AM
See Sig for good Results :)

eurabia 09-28-2006 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by PimpDaddyPants
See Sig for good Results :)
Smell my ass for good smell.

Dollarmansteve 09-28-2006 09:00 AM
Gotta love it when smartie-pants kid comes in, thinks he has the whole business figured out, and then falls on his face.

Err.. GFY has made me cynical... I meant to say - Way to go n00b! Keep trying and some day you'll be a millionaire. Remember: Success is a function of your GFY post count - more posts = more bling.

Tempest 09-28-2006 09:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gillespie
Well, knowing the hit:secondpage ratio would be useful too. In fact, any information you can get is useful.
This is a business of "hacks"... you'll rarely gets stats that are usefull.. and the reality is that it just doesn't matter... It's all about volume and money.. dicking around with 1000 hits won't show you anything at all... Spend your time figuring out how to get 100s of thousands of hits to your pages and then which sponsor makes you the most money off that.

Gillespie 09-28-2006 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve
Gotta love it when smartie-pants kid comes in, thinks he has the whole business figured out, and then falls on his face.

Err.. GFY has made me cynical... I meant to say - Way to go n00b! Keep trying and some day you'll be a millionaire. Remember: Success is a function of your GFY post count - more posts = more bling.
The fist part of your post has no fundament. Read the second parragraph of my first post. You're no noob, cynical or not, I shouldn't be telling you this.

I'm not looking to be a millionaire, I just want gas money and if things go extremely well, pay for my IFR pilot's license, but that's it. My day job pays me enough for the rest of the things I need.

The second part of your post seems to be accurate, but that's the way it works on most forums. It's a sad way to establish reputation though.

tranza 09-28-2006 09:28 AM
What were you expecting from 1000 feeder traffic to your TGPs?

That's just too little.

wizhard 09-28-2006 10:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by eurabia
These fucking IDIOTS will tell you that you didn't buy enough to get a meaningful result. Plow in another $100 and get 0 sales. Sounds good?

The truth is that this traffic is not gonna produce sales. Its purpose is solely to be crapfed to your "trade partners" who will hopefully send you back traffic which is gonna buy. It exposes the moral problem of traffic trading. Everybody is trying to fuck over his "partner" with crap traffic and hoping to get good traffic back. It's a fucked up game. This traffic is basically for trading (cheating) your trade partners.

Sadly these days that is all too true and just another example of how this biz maliciously feeds on itself as it continues it's inexorable journey towards zero.

Dollarmansteve 09-28-2006 11:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gillespie
The fist part of your post has no fundament. Read the second parragraph of my first post. You're no noob, cynical or not, I

the second part of your post seems to be accurate, but that's the way it works on most forums. It's a sad way to establish reputation though.
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Dollarmansteve 09-28-2006 11:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wizhard
Sadly these days that is all too true and just another example of how this biz maliciously feeds on itself as it continues it's inexorable journey towards zero.
Your statement is true - but only when applied to the proper industry. If the industry you were referring to was the one where any tom-dick-or harry throws up a few TGPs, signs up to 2 affiliate programs and then buys $100 worth of traffic and laments in his lack of ROI - then ya, you hit the nail on the head.

VexXxed 09-28-2006 11:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rowan
1000 hits is not enough to truly measure the quality of a traffic purchase... you need to waste more $ to reliably conclude that it's complete shit. :)
Ahahahahahahah :1orglaugh


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